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VIP622 to VIP722 Upgrade???

Hello All -- I'm new to this forum; just registered today. I spent some time reading many of the threads her and realize this place is a great resource with many wise folks posting regularly. I apologize if this question is posted in the wrong place but I saw no other applicable thread.

I currently have a VIP 622 and thought I might like to upgrade to the 722. I'm attracted to the larger hard drive and the black color which better matches my other equipment. These features are obvious from the specs.

What I can't tell for certain about the 722 is if there is any difference in the up-converting capability for TV1 output. In some literature I've seen the 622 makes the same claim of upconverting SD content to HD, yet in other literature this feature is not listed for the 622. My question is -- do the 622 and 722 offer the same SD-to-HD upconverting or is there some addiitonal improvement with the 722?

My 622 does send SD content out the HDMI port to my HDTV but it reamains in 4:3 aspect ratio and the quality is not comparable to original HD content. Should I expect the same functionality from the 722 or does it actually upconvert SD content to a 16:9 aspect ratio?

Thanks for any/all responses.

~CJ5
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You can use the format button on the 622 or 722 remote to upconvert the 4:3 to 16:9 format very easily.
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CJ5 said:
What I can't tell for certain about the 722 is if there is any difference in the up-converting capability for TV1 output. In some literature I've seen the 622 makes the same claim of upconverting SD content to HD, yet in other literature this feature is not listed for the 622. My question is -- do the 622 and 722 offer the same SD-to-HD upconverting or is there some addiitonal improvement with the 722?
~CJ5
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If you set the output of the 622 to 1080i or 720p (depending on your TV) it will match the resolution, but it is not going to change the resolution of the broadcast, you can't add resolution that is not there. It will still be an SD broadcast.


CJ5 said:
My 622 does send SD content out the HDMI port to my HDTV but it reamains in 4:3 aspect ratio and the quality is not comparable to original HD content. Should I expect the same functionality from the 722 or does it actually upconvert SD content to a 16:9 aspect ratio?

~CJ5
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The quality is not comparable to HD because it is not HD.

You can *Stretch* the picture to fill your 16:9 screen, but just because the picture is filling your screen that doesn't make it HD. Actually using the stretch, to some people, makes it look worse. Stretching the 4:3 picture to fit your 16:9 screen is not "upconverting" or even "upscaling". It is just stretching and zooming and cropping.

You can't turn a Big Mac into Top choice sirloin.:)
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jerryez said:
You can use the format button on the 622 or 722 remote to upconvert the 4:3 to 16:9 format very easily.
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I'm not sure I completely understand what you mean. I know the "Format" button offers "Full Screen" and "Partial Zoom" modes but neither is actually what I appreciated upconverting to be. The "Full Screen" mode destroys the aspect ratio and makes objects apear too wide. The "Partial Zoom" mode preserves the aspect ratio but crops a lot of the content. Are this the only way SD can be converted to HD or are there superior methods? I know that many DVD players now upconvert standard DVD content to HD -- how are the aspect ratio issues handled with these systems?

~CJ5
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CJ5 said:
I'm not sure I completely understand what you mean. I know the "Format" button offers "Full Screen" and "Partial Zoom" modes but neither is actually what I appreciated upconverting to be. The "Full Screen" mode destroys the aspect ratio and makes objects apear too wide. The "Partial Zoom" mode preserves the aspect ratio but crops a lot of the content. Are this the only way SD can be converted to HD or are there superior methods? I know that many DVD players now upconvert standard DVD content to HD -- how are the aspect ratio issues handled with these systems?

~CJ5
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They don't. All the "upconverting" DVD players do is match the output resolution to your TV's input, so the player does the scaling instead of the TV. Some people like the way that looks better than using a regular DVD player and letting the TV do the scaling.

As I said, you cannot add lines that aren't there on the source material.

That being said, I have an Up-Scaling player and prefer letting it do the scaling as opposed to my TV.
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adavis720 said:
Stretching the 4:3 picture to fit your 16:9 screen is not "upconverting" or even "upscaling". It is just stretching and zooming and cropping.
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OK. Thanks. This makes perfect sense to me.

So in the VIP622/722 literature, when they claim "SD content is upconverted for use with HD outputs" are they are using the term upconvert inappropriately? What do they actually mean, or what is actually happening with the content?

~CJ5
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They don't. All the "upconverting" DVD players do is match the output resolution to your TV's input, so the player does the scaling instead of the TV. Some people like the way that looks better than using a regular DVD player and letting the TV do the scaling.

As I said, you cannot add lines that aren't there on the source material.

That being said, I have an Up-Scaling player and prefer letting it do the scaling as opposed to my TV.
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I thought upscalers do add lines that weren't there in the before by using the existing source material and approximating what the extra detail would be to create the extra resolution.
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adavis720 said:
As I said, you cannot add lines that aren't there on the source material.

That being said, I have an Up-Scaling player and prefer letting it do the scaling as opposed to my TV.
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Actually upconverting IS adding lines. New lines are approximated by the unit using the content of existing lines. It is based on well known mathematical algorithms. The player using the better algoriuthm will deliver a better picture. That is whu you like better your player then upconverting (if any exist) iunit of your TV.
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Actually upconverting IS adding lines. New lines are approximated by the unit using the content of existing lines. It is based on well known mathematical algorithms. The player using the better algoriuthm will deliver a better picture. That is whu you like better your player then upconverting (if any exist) iunit of your TV.
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But as you said it is approximating, not adding resolution. My point is that if there were not 1080 lines of vertical resolution to begin with there still isn't. It is doubling lines, sure it is doing that based on math, but "up-converted" SD is NOT HD. No matter how many lines a DVD player adds to the picture, it doesn't make the content on your 720×480 DVD 1920 × 1080.

I think a lot of people go out and buy an "Up-Converting" dvd player, hoping to go home, hook it up and have their DVD's look as good as thier HDTV looks, and a lot of those people are disappointed.

It is not the extra lines being added by the DVD player that makes me think the picture is better on the "up-conventing' player it is the fact that my TV, which has a mediocre scaler at best, is not doing the scaling up to 1080i.
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That is whu you like better your player then upconverting (if any exist) iunit of your TV.
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I am not sure what you mean by this.

Don't all TV's have to have a scaler? Otherwise your TV wouldn't display any signal except for it's native resolution.
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Dish 4K Event Listings (No Discussion)

This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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Leftover carnitas with a giant KFC potato wedge, shredded mozzarella and hot sauce... Water
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Two Chicago style hot dogs and a Fanta orange soda.
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Little mini pepperoni pizza, green beans, apples and chocolate milk.
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Fanta orange soda.
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Sitting in fridge cooling off, bought 1 along with 2 Mexican Cokes at La Tienda... (I keep a few cokes stashed as well as in fridge and camper fridge)
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Garlic cheese bread
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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.
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Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
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klang said:
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
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Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
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klang said:
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
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Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.
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MikeD-C05 said:
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.
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Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
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Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
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There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.
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MikeD-C05 said:
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.
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Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
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harshness said:
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
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I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
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MikeD-C05 said:
I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
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Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though :clapping
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I just thought her behavior, including the bare feet thing, was disrespectful to her position.
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Stargate SG-1 Discussion

Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner
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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
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S3 Ep22 Nemesis & S4 Ep1 Small Victories...
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The Tokra pt 1, I know pt 2 will be next...
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
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This video was pain and suffering

Time for another AWESOME video from Linus Tech Tips!


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Direct YouTube Link - This video was pain and suffering
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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They didn't sell many, they were pricey and not out long. Quickly got replaced by the Hopper.
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They were high-end specialty, somewhat buggy and the 612/622/722 just overwhelmed it in popularity.
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I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
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Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?
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HipKat said:
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
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I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
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Green Star Discovery: How a White Dwarf Could Turn Green

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Djv7qId5yec


Direct YouTube Link - Green Star Discovery: How a White Dwarf Could Turn Green
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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ClarkGable said:
Take It To The Limit - The Eagles
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Take Me to the River - Talking Heads
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NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."
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Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
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Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


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Browns lead the AFC North 🤣

Seth Meyers What GIF by Late Night with Seth Meyers
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Hurts done for the season now


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