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JohnL

Last reply Sep 11, 2007 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Off Line Hd Channels?

Currently NFL HD, History HD, A&E HD, are all offline.

Is this system wide or only a problem at 61.5, as I only have a 61.5 Dish. I'm more bummed out about History HD than the only two although with the NFL now in full swing I would watch NFL HD.

John

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digiblur

Sep 11, 2007

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-forum/106760-statement-dish-e-hd-history-hd-nfl-hd.html

nelson61

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 5:11 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

EchoStar 25 @110W March 9/10 - 2026.

EchoStar has filed with FCC for license and launch of the EchoStar 25 satellite at the nominal 110W slot.

------"At the nominal 110° W.L. orbital location, EchoStar is licensed to operate over 29 of the available 32 DBS channels (specifically channels 1-27, 29,and 31).3 Currently, EchoStar provides service over these channels from the 110° W.L. cluster utilizing the EchoStar 10, EchoStar 11 (in inclined orbit), and EchoStar 23 satellites; and from the 119° W.L. cluster utilizing the EchoStar 14 and EchoStar 15 satellites. EchoStar anticipates that EchoStar 25 will be ready for launch as early as the first quarter of 2026. EchoStar anticipates that EchoStar 25, a spot-beam satellite, will take over delivery of certain programming services from EchoStar 10 and 14. After launch and in-orbit testing ("IOT"),4EchoStar 25 will proceed directly to 110.0° ± 0.05° W.L. Once EchoStar 25 is placed into operation, EchoStar 10 will initially remain at 110.2° W.L. serving as an in-orbit spare and may ultimately be relocated subject to all appropriate Commission authorizations. EchoStar 14 will remain at the nominal 119° W.L. orbital location and serve as an in-orbit spare once EchoStar 25 begins service." -----

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nelson61

Sep 21, 2025

EchoStar 25 at 110W

Ninety-three (93) spot beams
51 active transmitters
212 DMAs can be served simultaneously
Possible launch - 1st quarter 2026

Google Earth photo illustrates EIRP 50dBW coverage for each spot (50 probably covers reception with a standard diameter dish.)>
Half of the spot beams with transponder links are included in the Schedule S pdf and the other half will have similar transponder linkages.

For those that like these things, This link has the downloads for the 93 Google Earth beams.

Echostar 25 110W - Google Drive

drive.google.com

EchoStar 25 Narrative (1).pdf 226 KB EchoStar 25 Technical Annex (1).pdf 266 KB Schedule S - DRAFT-SAT-LOA-20250717-00176.pdf 546 KB

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zippyfrog

Jun 10, 2026

This is really interesting. Thanks for posting the Chicago locals - I still can't add them to my account for some reason.

But what I find even more interesting is that you are reporting that some of the Chicago locals are on 110, TP 12. However, right now some of the national sports channels for the out of market sports channels are on 110, TP 12 as well. MLB Network Alternate, for example, is currently on 110, TP 12. And to my knowledge, the same transponder cannot be both a national ConUS transponder as well as a local spotbeam. I wonder if having both satellites active at the same time is causing some coding issue or something like that - for my receiver, it is as if it is checking one satellite, times out, then checks the second satellite for the signal strength.

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RJT79

Jun 10, 2026

zippyfrog said:
This is really interesting. Thanks for posting the Chicago locals - I still can't add them to my account for some reason.

But what I find even more interesting is that you are reporting that some of the Chicago locals are on 110, TP 12. However, right now some of the national sports channels for the out of market sports channels are on 110, TP 12 as well. MLB Network Alternate, for example, is currently on 110, TP 12. And to my knowledge, the same transponder cannot be both a national ConUS transponder as well as a local spotbeam. I wonder if having both satellites active at the same time is causing some coding issue or something like that - for my receiver, it is as if it is checking one satellite, times out, then checks the second satellite for the signal strength.

No Problem! Glad I went and could help out but however I chickened out from the game tonight and I am back home. Didn't like the weather report I was seeing. Everyone in the hotel was talking about the severe storms. 75+ mph winds, golf ball size hail, and tornadoes done it in for me. You stay safe! I guess it isn't going to be very good and its suppose to hit between 3 and 6 PM. I gave away my tickets as I don't need damage to the vehicle plus with the weather like that not going and driving in Chicago that often it probably wouldn't be good driving when it is storming. I do think I made the wise choice.

I however am thinking about going somewhere over the weekend because this hot and humid air that were having will bring in relief after the cold front Thursday night and good weather is expected through the weekend. I don't know where I will head I am thinking State Park wise somewhere camping in a tent and brining my AC battery supply backup that works 36 hours on a single charge and can be charged in the vehicle and bringing the Wally, the antenna, and my Cloner Alliance ViewPro to use as a screen. Just to see what I can all get and to get away awhile. Where ever I go It will be out of market so I could get you their locals and Satellites and Spotbeams if you would like.

Just hoping we avoid the severe weather at my location tomorrow. It doesn't look good on that part but once it goes through excellent and more pleasant weather ahead.

And on what you said. Yes that could be an issue getting the locals activated that you are having problems with. 2 Transponders causing trouble one national and one spotbeam. Your receiver may not know how to handle it. Seems as if they likely will move those other sports channels to another satellite and/or spotbeam. More than likely the issue with my MLB Extra Innings as well. All these changes coming at once and they are trying to figure where to put everything and probably don't know where to put it all. I am sure it has the tech advanced people at DISH working overtime. Just wish they would hurry up and get it done.

Do you have an estimated date of completion by any chance?

RJ T.
From Illinois

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zippyfrog

Yesterday at 10:52 AM

nelson61 said:
EchoStar 25 at 110W

Ninety-three (93) spot beams
51 active transmitters
212 DMAs can be served simultaneously
Possible launch - 1st quarter 2026

Google Earth photo illustrates EIRP 50dBW coverage for each spot (50 probably covers reception with a standard diameter dish.)>
Half of the spot beams with transponder links are included in the Schedule S pdf and the other half will have similar transponder linkages.

For those that like these things, This link has the downloads for the 93 Google Earth beams.

Echostar 25 110W - Google Drive

drive.google.com

nelson61 - is there a way to see which of the Spotbeams are availabe to Chicago? When I scan using my receiver, here in Chicago I am getting signal strength of greater than 40 on 9 different Spotbeams on 110, and 4 of the spotbeams are over 64. That is a lot more than what I remember seeing in the past.

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nelson61

Yesterday at 9:11 PM

I would have to open each of the 90+ kml file using Google earth to see which ones cover the general area and then dig through the filing to identify the associated transmitter.

The number you are seeing seems reasonable.

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zippyfrog

Today at 5:11 AM

nelson61 said:
I would have to open each of the 90+ kml file using Google earth to see which ones cover the general area and then dig through the filing to identify the associated transmitter.

The number you are seeing seems reasonable.

Got it - I saw your post had the screenshot from Google Earth with all the spotbeams on a single picture. I didn't know if there was a file where all of them were already loaded, and then I could open Google Earth and click on each one to hide/show where everything was preloaded.

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Today at 3:13 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Microsoft’s Likely Struggles Planning Windows 12

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99T3Z9ymUGg

Direct YouTube Link - Microsoft's Likely Struggles Planning Windows 12
TWIT's Website
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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 1:15 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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n0qcu

Supporting Founder

Last reply Yesterday at 10:21 PM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Getting logged out frequently

Hey Scott
I get logged out several times a day (I think it's been since the last update) any idea why because it is becoming really annoying

Thanks

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b4pjoe

Yesterday at 7:11 PM

I kind of have the same issue but only on my iPhone or iPad. The "keep me logged in" checkbox is checked but after I login in works fine for that day but the next day I am always logged out but only on my iPad or iPhone. I have deleted cookies and ALL website data multiple times but it still happens over night every night unless I use a different browser. It only happens using Safari on the iPhone and iPad but not on my iMac. I have given up on it and just log back in everyday. I have checked settings but nothing has helped. And it didn't just start recently. It has been happening for quite a while. And it only happens here, DBSTalk and Facebook. All other websites keep me logged in even in Safari on iPad and iPhone.

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harshness

Yesterday at 7:22 PM

b4pjoe said:
I have checked settings but nothing has helped.

Are you running any third-party antivirus/protection software on your iDevices?

This isn't about corrupt cookies; it is about good cookies getting systematically whacked.

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 7:26 PM

harshness said:
This isn't about corrupt cookies

I love me some cookies..

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b4pjoe

Yesterday at 8:24 PM

harshness said:
Are you running any third-party antivirus/protection software on your iDevices?

No.

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harshness

Yesterday at 10:21 PM

b4pjoe said:
No.

If you Google your problem, there are several things you might try. Advanced Tracking Protection seems suspicious, as does a mention of collective browsing experience-sharing among iDevices connected through iCloud+.

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spacenerd

Last reply Yesterday at 9:46 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Boost Mobile

I know this is for Dish TV service but was wondering if anyone has gone from Verizon to the Dish Boost Mobile cell phone service and would you recommend it.
John

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navychop

Jun 15, 2026

CDLs are in BIG demand. Ever notice how close to 100% of OTR trucks have hiring signs on them?

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HipKat

Jun 16, 2026

navychop said:
CDLs are in BIG demand. Ever notice how close to 100% of OTR trucks have hiring signs on them?

That's because the one good thing the administration is doing is finally going after the fake and non-domiciled CDL drivers, opening the door to hire more valid drivers and hopefully will push the rates back up.

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Arctic_fox

Monday at 4:11 PM

HipKat said:
That's because the one good thing the administration is doing is finally going after the fake and non-domiciled CDL drivers, opening the door to hire more valid drivers and hopefully will push the rates back up.

now let's get rid of the piss tanks and tampons off of diesels aka emissions crap since it can bankrupt someone!!! and get rid of ELD'S since they make some drivers drive like idiots trying to find a parking spot. starter mega carriers should not allow new drivers to train that's just a way for em to move cheap freight..

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HipKat

Monday at 8:03 PM

Arctic_fox said:
now let's get rid of the piss tanks and tampons off of diesels aka emissions crap since it can bankrupt someone!!! and get rid of ELD'S since they make some drivers drive like idiots trying to find a parking spot. starter mega carriers should not allow new drivers to train that's just a way for em to move cheap freight..

And when they get rid of driver-facing cameras, they'll start to attract the prototypical truck driver back to the industry.

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Arctic_fox

Tuesday at 2:01 PM

HipKat said:
And when they get rid of driver-facing cameras, they'll start to attract the prototypical truck driver back to the industry.

i own my own truck i don't have none of that crap :biggrin

just an outward facing cam for a**holes in 4 wheelers and the break checker's

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HipKat

Tuesday at 8:23 PM

Arctic_fox said:
i own my own truck i don't have none of that crap just an outward facing cam for a**holes in 4 wheelers and the break checker's

I thought about just buying my own, but goddang. I bought a nice 2000 W900L in 2004 for $52K. New they were just over 100K. Now, a new KW W990 is over $300,000.00
I couldn't afford a new one, but used truck prices are just as crazy

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Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 2:24 AM

HipKat said:
I thought about just buying my own, but goddang. I bought a nice 2000 W900L in 2004 for $52K. New they were just over 100K. Now, a new KW W990 is over $300,000.00
I couldn't afford a new one, but used truck prices are just as crazy

This is still true to this day. The w9's are going for 235.00k to 300k!!! but goddang id''e spend it on a kitty whopper over a frieghtshacker castacrap!!! I only buy new so i can get the manual trans and delete all of the safety crap like adaptive cruise and lane departure warning and all of that crap as that will have you pulling your hair out. truck prices are still crazy today!! and in my line of work i need a 170 inch sleeper since i can't park in choke and pukes or walmarts

. right now heavy haul is big with all of the AI data centers if your into flat bedding!!! my wife is already looking for our second truck. i just cringe when she shows me LMFAO :biggrin

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Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 5:04 AM

HipKat said:
I thought about just buying my own, but goddang. I bought a nice 2000 W900L in 2004 for $52K. New they were just over 100K. Now, a new KW W990 is over $300,000.00
I couldn't afford a new one, but used truck prices are just as crazy

have you tried looking for an O/O that's going into retirement? sometimes you can get a good deal and the owner will work with you as far as financing they act as the bank when your done paying it off then they give you the title. the truck along with it's depreciation are tax write off's!!!

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navychop

Yesterday at 7:50 AM

Arctic_fox said:
This is still true to this day. The w9's are going for 235.00k to 300k!!! but goddang id''e spend it on a kitty whopper over a frieghtshacker castacrap!!! I only buy new so i can get the manual trans and delete all of the safety crap like adaptive cruise and lane departure warning and all of that crap as that will have you pulling your hair out. truck prices are still crazy today!! and in my line of work i need a 170 inch sleeper since i can't park in choke and pukes or walmarts . right now heavy haul is big with all of the AI data centers if your into flat bedding!!! my wife is already looking for our second truck. i just cringe when she shows me LMFAO

Heh! I understood some of that!

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Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 5:44 PM

navychop said:
CDLs are in BIG demand. Ever notice how close to 100% of OTR trucks have hiring signs on them?

the driver shortage is a bunch of BS. there is a shortage of GOOD drivers

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Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 9:44 PM

navychop said:
Heh! I understood some of that!

what didn't you understand Heh :biggrin

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Arctic_fox

Yesterday at 9:46 PM

HipKat said:
I thought about just buying my own, but goddang. I bought a nice 2000 W900L in 2004 for $52K. New they were just over 100K. Now, a new KW W990 is over $300,000.00
I couldn't afford a new one, but used truck prices are just as crazy

i remember when you could get a brand spanking new W900 for 150k

.. if you want one you best buy it now

Kenworth's W900 to Reach End of Road in 2026 After 63 Years - TT

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jokeworm

Last reply Yesterday at 9:43 PM · posted in What's Cooking?

What's for dinner ?

Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !

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Yesterday at 7:52 PM · posted in Linus Tech Tips

3 Things We Got Wrong About The Steam Machine

Time for another AWESOME video from Linus Tech Tips!

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Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 7:50 PM · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

DirecTV’s Subscribers Number

Thanks to Fitch Ratings ( who gives the ratings on Credit and debt, as approved by the SEC, so they have accurate numbers) we have the totals.

DIRECTV's video subscriber base is the third-largest traditional multi-channel video programming distributor (MVPD) in the U.S. with about 8.2 million subscribers at the end of 1Q26.

The last time it was reported, it was 8.8M at the end of 2Q25, so only a 600,000 loss for 3 quarters, which is a major improvement, since for many years before that, it was losing 500,000 a quarter, 2 Million a year.

It is now losing less than Dish/Sling combined, I believe the Genre Packs are helping to retain and get subscribers.

https://www.fitchratings.com/research/corporate-finance/fitch-rates-directv-proposed-senior-secured-debt-offering-bb-rr2-11-05-2026

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raoul5788

May 19, 2026

They have one less as of May 15th. I just couldn't justify almost $150 a month any more. I went to Fubo. Edit: And I've been a Directv customer for 30 years!

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b4pjoe

May 19, 2026

raoul5788 said:
They have one less as of May 15th. I just couldn't justify almost $150 a month any more. I went to Fubo.

Fubo would be a non starter for me. Missing channels:

NBCUniversal Channels: NBC local affiliates, USA Network, Bravo, CNBC, MSNBC, E!, Syfy, Telemundo, and the Golf Channel.
NBC Sports: Regional sports networks like NBC Sports Bay Area, Boston, California, and Philadelphia are also off the air.
Warner Bros. Discovery Channels: TBS, TNT, TruTV, CNN, Discovery Channel, TLC, HGTV, Food Network, and Animal Planet.
A&E Networks: A&E, History, Lifetime, and Vice.
AMC Networks: AMC, IFC, SundanceTV, and WE tv

Plus most of its live TV channels and sports broadcasts are currently delivered in 720p.

Jimbo

May 19, 2026

b4pjoe said:
Fubo would be a non starter for me. Missing channels:

NBCUniversal Channels: NBC local affiliates, USA Network, Bravo, CNBC, MSNBC, E!, Syfy, Telemundo, and the Golf Channel.

NBC Sports: Regional sports networks like NBC Sports Bay Area, Boston, California, and Philadelphia are also off the air.

Warner Bros. Discovery Channels: TBS, TNT, TruTV, CNN, Discovery Channel, TLC, HGTV, Food Network, and Animal Planet.

A&E Networks: A&E, History, Lifetime, and Vice.

AMC Networks: AMC, IFC, SundanceTV, and WE tv

Plus most of its live TV channels and sports broadcasts are currently delivered in 720p.

YouTube TV

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raoul5788

May 19, 2026

b4pjoe said:
Fubo would be a non starter for me. Missing channels:

NBCUniversal Channels: NBC local affiliates, USA Network, Bravo, CNBC, MSNBC, E!, Syfy, Telemundo, and the Golf Channel.

NBC Sports: Regional sports networks like NBC Sports Bay Area, Boston, California, and Philadelphia are also off the air.

Warner Bros. Discovery Channels: TBS, TNT, TruTV, CNN, Discovery Channel, TLC, HGTV, Food Network, and Animal Planet.

A&E Networks: A&E, History, Lifetime, and Vice.

AMC Networks: AMC, IFC, SundanceTV, and WE tv

Plus most of its live TV channels and sports broadcasts are currently delivered in 720p.

Understandable. It's always a choice of price vs channels. The $60/month difference made my choice easier.

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Arctic_fox

Jun 12, 2026

Jimbo said:
YouTube TV

YTTV don't carry the Regional sports channels

Jimbo

Jun 12, 2026

Arctic_fox said:
YTTV don't carry the Regional sports channels

RSN's ... are they still Alive ?

Unless your looking for the Non Major sports,,they are pretty pointless.

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b4pjoe

Jun 12, 2026

raoul5788 said:
Understandable. It's always a choice of price vs channels. The $60/month difference made my choice easier.

I see Fubo is getting the NBC Universal channels back. That will help them.

NBCUniversal Channels Like Telemundo and Bravo Are Returning to Fubo

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Arctic_fox

Jun 12, 2026

Jimbo said:
RSN's ... are they still Alive ?

Unless your looking for the Non Major sports,,they are pretty pointless.

NESN and spectrum sportsnet is i don't know about the others

raoul5788

Jun 13, 2026

b4pjoe said:
I see Fubo is getting the NBC Universal channels back. That will help them.
NBCUniversal Channels Like Telemundo and Bravo Are Returning to Fubo

And my package is going up $15/month!

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Arctic_fox

Jun 13, 2026

raoul5788 said:
And my package is going up $15/month!

have you tried to call in and threaten to cancel and see how that works out??? have you tried going back onto directv.com and making a new acct for discounts posing as a new sub.. it worked for me when ATT destroyed it :biggrin

raoul5788

Jun 14, 2026

Arctic_fox said:
have you tried to call in and threaten to cancel and see how that works out??? have you tried going back onto directv.com and making a new acct for discounts posing as a new sub.. it worked for me when ATT destroyed it

I got a big discount for returning.

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Jimbo

Friday at 9:20 AM

raoul5788 said:
I got a big discount for returning.

When I( talked with them a few weeks ago, they called me.
They offered me the Choice package (I had the Ultimate) (I also wasn't in from of my computer , so I couldn't check things out)
I figured if they could beat $80, I'd listen ... her best offer was $120, PASS...

The package I HAD with Sat was costing me $140 ... again HARD PASS.

Arctic_fox

Saturday at 2:31 PM

Jimbo said:
When I( talked with them a few weeks ago, they called me.
They offered me the Choice package (I had the Ultimate) (I also wasn't in from of my computer , so I couldn't check things out)
I figured if they could beat $80, I'd listen ... her best offer was $120, PASS...

The package I HAD with Sat was costing me $140 ... again HARD PASS.

they offered me the new customer deals and a 300.00 prepaid visa to leave DISH along there were going to waive the 49.00 activation fee

, the deal breaker was id'e be stuck with an HR-54 and not an HS-17. and there's no more wired gemini's for new subs or that's what i was told. and billing and tech support is still in the ATT eco system

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b4pjoe

Saturday at 2:37 PM

Arctic_fox said:
they offered me the new customer deals and a 300.00 prepaid visa to leave DISH along there were going to waive the 49.00 activation fee , the deal breaker was id'e be stuck with an HR-54 and not an HS-17. and there's no more wired gemini's for new subs or that's what i was told. and billing and tech support is still in the ATT eco system

I just got a wired Gemini a few weeks ago. Also my bill comes from DIRECTV…not AT&T though I do understand not all peoples bill have been switched back to DIRECTV yet.

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navychop

Saturday at 11:03 PM

Leaving Hopper Land for buggy whips?

Jimbo

Sunday at 8:19 AM

Arctic_fox said:
they offered me the new customer deals and a 300.00 prepaid visa to leave DISH along there were going to waive the 49.00 activation fee , the deal breaker was id'e be stuck with an HR-54 and not an HS-17. and there's no more wired gemini's for new subs or that's what i was told. and billing and tech support is still in the ATT eco system

Personally, IF I ever went back with Sat, I would definitely take the HR54 ... but each set up is different from house to house, what works for you ... in reality, I would probably go streaming instead, as my needs have changed, I no longer need a portable recvr to use while camping.