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Bob Mankin

Last reply Jul 15, 2004 · posted in Old YAHOOGROUPS - VOOM! Archives

[VOOM] Food for thought

I'm beginning to wonder if the expectations are a bit high for a relative
newcomer to the Satellite wars......

Show of hands; how many of you were there during the first year of DirecTV
or DISH? Do you recall any of the issues that so many are complaining about
today?

I wasn't there, so can't comment on specifics. But I would go out on a limb
and suggest they probably went through some of the same teething with
software glitches, limited programming and topped off with a few customer
service horror stories. Difference between then and now is the Internet and
groups such as this are a convenient medium to rant over your displeasure
for all to read.

-- I like the fact there is a new competitor in the space. Makes everyone
work harder for new customers and retention of existing ones.

-- I like the fact that senior people from within the company are listening
to the complaints to one degree or another and making effort to improve the
situation.

-- I like the fact that new programming is coming onboard and recognize that
it will NEVER be at a pace that keeps everyone happy.

-- I like the potential networked DVR solution and won't rant if it doesn't
make it to market this year as hoped/planned. Being in the tech field, I
recognize the technical obstacles involved and understand that engineering
schedules, more often than not, do slip.

I think airing the gripes is all good if offered as constructive criticism,
but the demands of immediate changes to suit ones personal desires/situation
is asking a bit much at this stage of the game, IMO. If you don't have a
reasonable amount of patience, this may not be the sat service for you.
There are two other companies to choose from, but each of those come with
their own set of issues.

Bob

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Timothy fouts

Jul 14, 2004

So what's your point?

On Jul 14, 2004, at 8:25 PM, vurbano wrote:

>
> Dvlos Wrote:
> > vurbano man you are all over the place now, Dish has HORRIBLE PQ on
> SD
> > Channels, you have to pay more for HD service on Dish and don't get
> as
> > much as you do with Voom. The ONLY HD picture that does look better
> is
> > HDNet I will give you that.. that is the ONLY one. Also I have DIsh
> > nightmare billing stories as well, and their menu system flat out
> sucks
> > a nut. It seems obvious that the true reason is that Dish and DTV
> alott
> > higher bandwidth for HDNet, which I hope Voom does...
> >
> > Hmm, let's recap, Voom is upgrading to better codecs, adding
> > transponders, working on a DVR solution, and trying to bring in new
> > channels. Hmm looks to me like we got a company that's doing
> something.
> > Oh, and Wilt who replies to my emails and other peoples email
> > PERSONALLY. Yeah what a bunch of crap DISH ROCKS.
> >
> > Last year my folks had a problem with DIsh billing, they called and
> > said they weren't paying it, because they never authorized those
> > channels. Dish shut them off for like 2 days until they finally got
> a
> > hold of a supervisor and complained... My In-laws want out of
> DirectTv
> > they were outraged that they wanted more money and to BUY the STB to
> > watch like 10 HD channels... they said when they're contract is up
> they
> > want to go to Voom.
> >
> > Result, CSRs in both cases have fallen over themselves and they've
> > fixed issues that each was having (one had a bad STB they wanted to
> > charge them for the service call, the other wanted a new room
> installed
> > again they wanted to charge). Both results fixed free of charge.
> Point
> > is, even if you sit there and cry and whine and bite your pillows at
> > night over every issue Voom has (vurbano, I'm looking at you man), I
> > think having a 3rd kid on the block MOST definately means better
> > service for everyone from every company.
> >
> > Even if Dtv has 10 million subs now, I am SURE they are not fine
> with
> > having 9 million by end of next year. Voice your opinion
> > constructively, and to the right people, at least Voom execs are
> > LISTENING...for your information D* is commonly used to denote
> Directv not dish. ANd
> I think everyone is aware that SD sucks on Dish (E*)
>
> lemme know when Voom adds transponders. We all know they have some
> additional leases starting in October.
>
> As well as the PVR
>
> O and the new codec.
>
> FYI, D* or DTV has over 12 million subs. I think they added over
> 400,000 last quarter. D* has launched one sat this year and plans 2
> more launches next year with plans for HD local in local in 30 markets
> over the nxt 3 years. You cant be serious about D* losing a
> significant
> number of customers to Voom? A million or more? It will be 3 years
> before voom has a million customers total. its kind of funny
> predicting
> David slaying goliath when david cant even afford a sling yet (ie no
> spinoff yet, doesnt have enough cash to be considered a viable
> company)
>
> All of it is lipservice at this point.
>
>
> --
> vurbano
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krose_59

Jul 15, 2004

[VOOM] Re: Food for thought

While constructive criticism is usually helpful, your incessant
diatribe again Voom is getting to be a bit tiresome. If you don't
like Voom, fine, but just go away and watch your five whole HD
channels on the provider of your choic3e.

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, vurbano <vurbano.19ehzy@n...> wrote:
>
> nope, D* transmits at higher power. Has a better dish design with
less
> rain fade. Boxes that work. And better HD Picture quality. They
avoid
> horror stories by not supplying antennas. If you want local HD OTA
you
> install the antenna yourself. The problem with D* is that there are
> only 6 HD channels I can recieve at this time.
>
>
> --
> vurbano

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owlbox

Jul 15, 2004

Amen!

gutter

Jul 15, 2004

I may not agree with Vurbano on every issue but I am thankful he is saying it. he and others who are pushing VOOM to keep their promise of outstanding PQ (which it is not at this time) . I agree that VOOM is young and has growing pains. Perhaps that's why we got such great deals right now. But consider yourself a tester and this is your report forum...good and bad. But don't try to shut down anyone's right o express that opinion. Debate him on the points but don't ask him to shut-up. This or any other forum was not created to be a "yes" man to any company. In this way we get a better product and help VOOM survive.

gammadude

Jul 15, 2004

I subscribed to Dtv 10/94, rollout year.

Similarities to Voom rollout:
Equipment expensive (approx. $600) and only avail. at Sears
PQ was horrible
- MPEG1 was used for several months before switch to MPEG2
- Channels had severe pixelaton problems and Music Choice was distorted and
dropped frequently

Differences:
Self install was always an option with purchased kit
Pro-install was not free
No option for integrated local channels

I never had a problem with the original RCA receiver. It was SLOW compared to today's standards. I am surprised by the problems with the Motorola receiver not with the changing PQ. Hopefully both will stabilize soon.

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MorCowbell

Last reply Today at 10:06 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Saved OTA list on Dish can't be appended

I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list.

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?

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dishstaller

Tuesday at 9:42 PM

I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.

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MorCowbell

Yesterday at 10:11 AM

Methinks you are wrong, Dishstaller - at least for what I see now..
I so wish that functionality was available ...

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n0qcu

Yesterday at 10:41 AM

dishstaller said:
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.

I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:11 AM

n0qcu said:
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list

Like I said.....that has been many years ago. Swapped my 722K for a Hopper in 2012.

It does seem like I remember having to delete the existing channels when we did a rescan. Back then our local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in. Got so bad that I stopped selling OR installing OTAs....something I had been doing since 1984 so you know it HAD to be pretty bad.

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MorCowbell

Today at 10:06 AM

You made one of my points for me with this comment, Dishstaller:

"... local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in ..."

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meStevo

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Last reply Today at 10:02 AM · posted in The Sports Section

NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

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HipKat

Tuesday at 4:27 PM

Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.

Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.

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Howard Simmons

Yesterday at 11:24 AM

HipKat said:
Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.

Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.

Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

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meStevo

Yesterday at 12:14 PM

Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').

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Yespage

Yesterday at 1:31 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

Well you see him more because he is incredibly talented. And yes, typically players try to spin things being in their favor. This isn't cricket where sportsmanship (except in Australia) is expected.

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HipKat

Yesterday at 8:13 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

He wants to be Brady

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HipKat

Yesterday at 8:14 PM

meStevo said:
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').

The only people who deny what Brady got from the officials are Brady fans

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gms49ers

Today at 10:02 AM

The NFL, for some time, has protected the marquee quarterbacks. Brady, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow - they all get the calls.
The lower tier QBs don't seem to get the same benefit. For instance, some of the hits that Darnold took from Chicago on Monday night would have been a flag frenzy if any of the marquee QBs were hit like that. And I am not in any way a fan of anything Seahawks related. I am a fan of balanced officiating - and that hasn't been the case for a while.

My team is not immune to this - Fred Warner laid some vicious hits in the Commanders game that I thought should have been flagged - one was, but they picked it up.

Not a good look on NFL officials.

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Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

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nelson61

Monday at 12:22 PM

Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

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Scott Greczkowski

Monday at 1:25 PM

nelson61 said:
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 10:17 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

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Scott Greczkowski

Tuesday at 10:22 AM

Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

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Bruce

Tuesday at 11:30 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

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Today at 2:17 AM

Why Boost Mobile isn't SpaceX's shortcut to an MVNO

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Nebugeater

Today at 9:12 AM

Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

Just a guess on my part but there may be some value to aquring to get all the retransmision agreements that are in place even though at some point they need to be renewed

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Today at 9:59 AM

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AMIKO Anyone watching IPTV on Amiko 4k s52 UHD ?

Anyone watching IPTV on Amiko 4k s52 UHD ?

I put a bunch of *.m3u files in the root of my USB KEY but Amiko won't try to play them?

No INSTRUCTIONS for this.

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