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Last reply Oct 26, 2007 · posted in The HD DVD / Blu-ray WAR ZONE!

Has Paramount doomed HD-DVD?

Let's see, TWO HD-DVD discs in Transformers and no Lossless Codec. The Jack Ryan series breaks on HD-DVD and the EXTRAS are NO Where To Be Found!

Let's examine the response from the HD-DVD crowd!

Cochise Guy wants to compare Transformers to Robocop in the audio department. He does not compare Spiderman3 because he knows that the HD-DVD cannot compete. Spide3 on has TWO Lossless Codecs so why compare Transformers audio specs to something it cannot compete with? Good move there Cochise Guy.

Diogen breaks in with -- wait for it -- it is NOT the limits of 30gbs but the limits of HD-DVD's bandwith! Most of us have known that this limit was on HD-DVD and that for a really big movie something was going to have to go -- I see that Paramount decided that the biggest release for HD-DVD this fall did not need a lossless codec. Heck, most of the HD-DVD studios don't even offer support for a lossless codec on HD-DVD. And of those that do, they do not offer a Lossless Codec on all of their HD-DVD releases. Thanks Diogen for pointing out that HD-DVD is NOT the Equal of BluRay - not in space and not in bandwith.

Of course, lets not leave out Paramount. They have already stated that there was not enough space? TWO HD-DVD's totalling 60GBs and they could not find space for one Lossless Codec? Then they don't know WHAT HAPPENED to the Extras on the HD-DVD version of the Jack Ryan Series? They got 150 MILLION DOLLARS from Toshiba and the HD-DVD crowd and they obviously don't even care about Lossless Codecs. 150 MILLION DOLLARS and they obviously have forgot about those EXTRAS on the Jack Ryan HD-DVDS -- but they are on the regular DVDs! How about that for your $150 MILLION BUCKS! Thanks Paramount for working for the other guys right now -- You are really helping out!

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navychop

Oct 19, 2007

Something like that. But people always want "better" even if it really doesn't matter.

Greater space and bandwidth is future proofing. And the future is already here.

diogen

Oct 19, 2007

I thought the last sentence of my last post answered that.
OK, I'll answer it straight - no, I don't think it will (if the Extended Edition is used, ~11 hours between all 3 of them).
This will be a case of not enough storage. And because it is Jackson, I'm not sure 2 disks will be enough.

Yes, I do believe it will be a big title. Amir on AVS hinted work is going on for a while. I think Microsoft is involved.

If you ever read doom9 (the Alternative Codec section), you noticed that a bunch of European professional compressionists hang out there. Like anything doom9, it's very quantitative, almost as anti-MS as slashdot and very opinionated talk.

One of them (from France) openly states that VC-1 is an inferior codec but admits that if the encoding is done by MS, it is benchmark quality and he bought them all (as an insider, he knows them all, although MS denies involvement in any capacity except consulting).

King Kong. Miami Vice.
LoTR will be done by MS as well, I think.
And I hope they don't include a lossless track...

Diogen.

berck

Oct 20, 2007

diogen said:
One of them (from France) openly states that VC-1 is an inferior codec but admits that if the encoding is done by MS, it is benchmark quality and he bought them all (as an insider, he knows them all, although MS denies involvement in any capacity except consulting).

Any time that a 'standard' has to be done by the creator to make it work better is not saying much of it as a 'standard'. This speaks volumes that the creator is doing something outside of the bounds of the standard to get it to work better.

diogen

Oct 20, 2007

berck said:
Any time that a 'standard' has to be done by the creator to make it work better is not saying much of it as a 'standard'. This speaks volumes that the creator is doing something outside of the bounds of the standard to get it to work better.

I think you misunderstand what "standard" means here...
The decoder is standardized, not the encoder.
The decoder then gets implemented in software/hardware and whatever you do with the stream to encode -
nobody cares, as long as it is properly decoded (i.e. complies with the standard), has the best quality and takes least space.
You can't do anything "outside of the bonds" - Broadcom and Sigma chips have to decode the stream!
And they manufacture their chips based on the VC-1 standard (Sigma has as good a relationship with MS as Sony does).

This was true for over 10 years for MPEG-2 and is true for VC-1 and AVC today.

The encoder part is where the companies compete to offer the best implementation.
Of course, Microsoft, having created the codec some 5 years ago, has the most experience here.
But as a standard, VC-1 is as open as MPEG-2 or AVC and more open than DD or DTS in all its variations.

To get a sense what variables the VC-1 codec has, download Zambelli's WMV Power Toy (he's heading the WMV testing team at Microsoft).
I've been using it for over 3 years (as a hobby; encoding satellite hidef). You can never say "I know how it works":
the number of variables in the codec and variations in the source make for an infinite number of possibilities...

Diogen.

EDIT: Sorry, forgot the link
Windows Media Video Tools
According to Ben Wagonneer (he's heading the team that writes the codec), the WMV encoder available
from MS in few different incarnations, is the same as the studios/post-houses use. The workflow is different.
Both, Zambelli and Ben, post on doom9 and AVS.

berck

Oct 22, 2007

diogen said:
I think you misunderstand what "standard" means here...
The decoder is standardized, not the encoder.
The decoder then gets implemented in software/hardware and whatever you do with the stream to encode -

I'm curious. Do you have any experience developing software / firmware / hardware that uses standards? The bounds do get pushed beyond the standard to try and do a better job in the reproduction. Many times, the creator of the standard doesn't necessarily make the best encoder / decoder. MP3 is a good example of this with LAME versus Fraunhofer.

FYI: Codec = Coder / Decoder; Compressor / Decompressor; Compression / Decompression. A codec is a program or device that can perform both encoding and decoding on a digital data stream

diogen said:
EDIT: Sorry, forgot the link
Windows Media Video Tools
According to Ben Wagonneer (he's heading the team that writes the codec), the WMV encoder available
from MS in few different incarnations, is the same as the studios/post-houses use. The workflow is different.
Both, Zambelli and Ben, post on doom9 and AVS.

If this is the case, then why does Microsoft do a better job than the studios?

diogen

Oct 22, 2007

berck said:
I'm curious. Do you have any experience developing software / firmware / hardware that uses standards?

No, I don't. Do you?

berck said:
The bounds do get pushed beyond the standard to try and do a better job in the reproduction.

Up to a point in time. And then it gets frozen and goes through the standardization process.
What hasn't made into this spec will never be used while encoding because there is no guarantie the decoder can handle it.
If it's not standardized - just like MPEG-4 part2 in the form of DivX/XviD - you have a mess we have now with the DivX DVD players.
Just try a XviD encode using QPel and GMC and you'll see what I mean.

On the PC platform those things can be changed daily.
What goes into hardware players is set in stone. Just look at today's DVD players... What has changed over the last 10 years?

berck said:
Many times, the creator of the standard doesn't necessarily make the best encoder / decoder. MP3 is a good example of this with LAME versus Fraunhofer.

Very true. Especially after some time when the industry gets comfortable with it. So what?

berck said:
FYI: Codec = Coder / Decoder; Compressor / Decompressor; Compression / Decompression. A codec is a program or device that can perform both encoding and decoding on a digital data stream

Thanks.
Vista plays MPEG-2. It can't do MPEG-2 encodes. Same about Cyberlink, Intervideo, Nvidia, ATI etc.
x264 is a H.264 encoder. It doesn't play the result. VLC decodes everything and encodes nothing.

berck said:
If this is the case, then why does Microsoft do a better job than the studios?

They have 5 years of experience working with them. Why did you think?

Diogen.

berck

Oct 24, 2007

diogen said:
No, I don't. Do you?

Yes

diogen said:
Thanks.
Vista plays MPEG-2. It can't do MPEG-2 encodes. Same about Cyberlink, Intervideo, Nvidia, ATI etc.
x264 is a H.264 encoder. It doesn't play the result. VLC decodes everything and encodes nothing.

Software design. OS X can do both with all of those codecs installed. It just depends on how one implements the codec in the software being used. Once a codec is installed in the system, it can be used for both encode and decode if you have software that will use it. There are some times licensing issues about encoding. Generally, allowing decoding is free, but encoding cost money.

I believe Windows Movie Maker comes with many codecs for encoding content, including MPEG2 so you can create HD content.

diogen

Oct 24, 2007

berck said:
Generally, allowing decoding is free, but encoding cost money.

IIRC, ability to play (decode) MPEG-2 - being it software or hardware - costs $2.50 per case. Don't know whether there is a cap...

berck said:
I believe Windows Movie Maker comes with many codecs for encoding content, including MPEG2 so you can create HD content.

No.
Prior to Vista, not a single Windows version had the ability to even decode MPEG-2 (i.e. out of the box wouldn't play DVDs). But almost any DVD burner in a store would have some sort of MPEG-2 decoder included. Same about brand name PCs. So, on the user end hardly anything was lost.
AC3 decoding was also implemented in Vista for the first time.

It's probably true that the term "codec" is used loosely when often only the decoding abilities are implied.

Microsoft was wrestling into the codec market the way it does best - by giving away software. The very first free WME9 (Windows Media Encoder), now almost 5 years old, for the first time offered a chance to see what software encoding is all about. The DivX/XviD encoders were not quite suited for hidef encodes.
I still use WME9 today: after installing the latest commercial offer from Microsoft WEE (Windows Expression Encoder), WME will use its libraries and take advantage of the latest features in codec development and spit out VC-1 compliant streams. Authoring tools will probably never come from Microsoft.

Diogen.

BobMurdoch

Oct 26, 2007

navychop said:
Something like that. But people always want "better" even if it really doesn't matter.

Greater space and bandwidth is future proofing. And the future is already here.

I think a few folks with old Betamax VCRs might disagree with you...

teamerickson

Oct 26, 2007

Heres a good quote from this article

Commentary: Specs vs. Reality | High-Def Digest

"However, Dolby Digital Plus, especially the 1509 kb/s variety found on a disc like the 'Transformers' HD DVD, uses much more efficient encoding techniques at a very high bit rate. The people who actually make these movie soundtracks have found it pretty impressive, and yet average home listeners seem to believe with absolute certainty that the home theater speakers in their living rooms would be capable of resolving with precision the mathematical difference between a high bit rate Dolby Digital Plus track and a lossless one, and that their golden audiophile ears would also be capable of discerning it. Personally, I would like to put these people to a properly-controlled blind test, where all of the audio levels have been carefully matched to the same volume, and then see how well their hearing fares."

mike123abc

Oct 26, 2007

The people that have systems that playback well enough to tell some difference are getting fewer and fewer. Much of the high end audio business has gone out of business, HDTV switched the money to video playback. Even then not many people close their eyes and listen critically to movies.

When is the last time you played a movie, with the video off to listen to the soundtrack to see if you could identify flaws? Another issue is that you are not able to compare it to reality to know what you are missing, movie soundtracks are all artifically produced anyways.

Uncompressed or lossless audio is a great sales tool, but probably 99% of the consumers would not be able to tell if you took a compressed soundtrack and decompressed it and put it on the title.

Video on the other hand people do notice. You can pause video and study it.

navychop

Oct 26, 2007

Yet there is certainly value in well utilized 7.1 sound.

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Bruce

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 6 minutes ago · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Paramount +

For the naysayers who did not think this service would make it, just added another 4.9M subscribers and that was after the removal of 1.2M Russia subscribers.

This is even better, Paramount+ revenue grew 120% and Subscription revenue grew 74% year-over-year ( 2nd quarter 2021/ 2nd quarter 2022) to $830M, principally reflecting paid subscriber growth on Paramount+.

Now compare that to Peacock with only 13 million paid, 13 million free.

https://ir.paramount.com/static-files/19c917ac-a92b-4e68-920a-db1264e56def

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Bruce

Oct 4, 2026

Just noticed, CBS shows on Paramount+ are now same day premieres vs next day, which is how they used to be.

Also in 4K/HDR/DV.

I wonder how providers feel about this, they pay an expensive per sub fee for CBS, who is giving another positive reason to drop Paid Live TV and subscribe to P+.

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Jimbo

Oct 6, 2026

Bruce said:
Just noticed, CBS shows on Paramount+ are now same day premieres vs next day, which is how they used to be.

Also in 4K/HDR/DV.

I wonder how providers feel about this, they pay an expensive per sub fee for CBS, who is giving another positive reason to drop Paid Live TV and subscribe to P+.

So, this means that those of us with Commercial Free subs, won't be Commercial Free, unless we wait till after the show is over ?
Which would make same day, not that big of a deal.

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b4pjoe

Oct 6, 2026

Jimbo said:
So, this means that those of us with Commercial Free subs, won't be Commercial Free, unless we wait till after the show is over ?
Which would make same day, not that big of a deal.

Paramount+ has always had the CBS shows on the CBS local channel and yes with commercials. What they are doing now is releasing the OnDemand versions of the show which I believe they don't release until after the shows air on the west coast. And they will be commercial free if you subscribe to the ad free version of Paramount+.

Jimbo

Oct 6, 2026

b4pjoe said:
Paramount+ has always had the CBS shows on the CBS local channel and yes with commercials. What they are doing now is releasing the OnDemand versions of the show which I believe they don't release until after the shows air on the west coast. And they will be commercial free if you subscribe to the ad free version of Paramount+.

So, the New season won't be on the same day commercial free ???

Looks like the On Demand will Still be the Next Day ...

If you have the Top tier, you could get the LIVE Network feed same as any Cable or OTA would.
===============================================================================

Key facts

Premiere date: Tuesday, Oct. 6, 2026
Release schedule: Weekly on Tuesdays
Network: CBS
Streaming: Paramount+*
Series created by: Donald P. Bellisario and Don McGill

*New episodes of NCIS stream live on Paramount+ as they air on CBS for subscribers of the Paramount+ Premium plan. Episodes stream on demand on Paramount+ on the day after they air on CBS for all subscribers.

b4pjoe

Oct 6, 2026

Jimbo said:
So, the New season won't be on the same day commercial free ???

Looks like the On Demand will Still be the Next Day ...

If you have the Top tier, you could get the LIVE Network feed same as any Cable or OTA would.
===============================================================================

Key facts

Premiere date: Tuesday, Oct. 6, 2026

Release schedule: Weekly on Tuesdays

Network: CBS

Streaming: Paramount+*

Series created by: Donald P. Bellisario and Don McGill

*New episodes of NCIS stream live on Paramount+ as they air on CBS for subscribers of the Paramount+ Premium plan. Episodes stream on demand on Paramount+ on the day after they air on CBS for all subscribers.

Watching it on the CBS local on Paramount+ is the exact same as watching it on your CBS local on your current cable/satellite/mvpd/vMVPD service. The OnDemand versions of it can be released on the same day that it airs but usually it is after the show airs on the west coast so if you have a show at 7:00 pm in your time zone and it airs 3 hours later on the west coast at 10:00 pm your time then they could release it at 11:00 pm your time if it was a one hour show. I really have not checked to see what time I can see the ad free OnDemand shows on Paramount+. I know today that last nights FBI and CIA show did not pop into the Up Next row on my Apple TV until this afternoon. I guess it may have been in Paramount+ since last night but I never checked it.

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Jimbo

6 minutes ago

b4pjoe said:
Watching it on the CBS local on Paramount+ is the exact same as watching it on your CBS local on your current cable/satellite/mvpd/vMVPD service. The OnDemand versions of it can be released on the same day that it airs but usually it is after the show airs on the west coast so if you have a show at 7:00 pm in your time zone and it airs 3 hours later on the west coast at 10:00 pm your time then they could release it at 11:00 pm your time if it was a one hour show. I really have not checked to see what time I can see the ad free OnDemand shows on Paramount+. I know today that last nights FBI and CIA show did not pop into the Up Next row on my Apple TV until this afternoon. I guess it may have been in Paramount+ since last night but I never checked it.

I think I read 3am est the next day, somewhere.

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jamieh1

Last reply 50 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Directv curated multi view now live

The new curated multiview is now live.
While on many of the sports channels and non sports channels there is a multi view option button. It will pull up a side bar with many different multi view options.

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KyL416

Tuesday at 7:29 PM

It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

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b4pjoe

Tuesday at 7:30 PM

KyL416 said:
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

But not on the only device they ship out right now which is the Gemini Air.

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TheRatPatrol

Yesterday at 11:37 PM

KyL416 said:
It's now expanded to a Build Your Own Multiview, currently available to streaming customers with Geminis and Roku, and coming soon to Android TV, Fire TV, Vizio, LG, Apple TV and Tizen.

How soon will it be available on Apple TV? Thanks

I WANT MORE

50 minutes ago

b4pjoe said:
But not on the only device they ship out right now which is the Gemini Air.

It's on my Air's.

"MysteryMan"

Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 7:24 AM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Windows 10/11 Download

I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.

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EarDemon

Tuesday at 9:43 PM

If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

WhiteBeard

Tuesday at 9:59 PM

EarDemon said:
If it wasn't for what I want, I wouldn't need any of this.

Do I need a collection of handheld radios, scanners and speed enforcement countermeasures? Nope, but I want them. Very little, if any of the software used to interface with these devices is available on Linux.

To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

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EarDemon

Wednesday at 10:12 PM

WhiteBeard said:
To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.

For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.

I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.

harshness

Yesterday at 11:18 AM

EarDemon said:
I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows.

What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI? By many accounts, it has been going downhill since Windows 7.

There are Linux desktops that offer Windows or Mac UIs, yet you don't hear much chatter about them outside of questions about when the creators might get sued.

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EarDemon

Yesterday at 8:55 PM

harshness said:
What is so fantabulous about the Windows UI?

Because it's what I prefer. I know I've said this a few times, I use Open Shell to give me the cascading start menu a la WIN 95 and NT4.0. The only reason I went from Windows Vista to 7 back in the day was because of Classic Shell. I cannot stand anything other than the OG start menu from 30+ years ago. I'm using ExplorerPatcher to give me Windows 10 UI elements of the taskbar and right click context menus.

If you could take a look at how I set up Windows 95, you'd find many similarities to how I use 11.

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EarDemon

Yesterday at 9:10 PM

I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

harshness

Today at 12:56 AM

EarDemon said:
Because it's what I prefer.

I hope you don't believe that makes it wonderful (especially when you're using workarounds for Microsoft's malfeasance).

I use LibreOffice as opposed to Microsoft office (even in Windows) because it's UI is like the Office of old, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is (in a manner of speaking). The ribbon was one of the worst ideas to come out Redmond.

HipKat

Today at 7:24 AM

EarDemon said:
I could probably use that as a starting point, but I don't like the full size icons. If you have to click on each folder that's also a no-go for me, it has to be cascading.

I used to have Peppermint Linux in a VM, that was about as close as I could get to recreating a Windows NT4.0 style of menu structure, but I could never get it to scale properly in VMWare on a 4K display and eventually gave up.

Whatever the boot up time it's fine with me. The longest part of my bootup is the HP SureStart BIOS integrity check. Once that is done, it's only a few more seconds. I haven't done this reg tweak yet since the reformat, but I switched the bootup animation to the Windows 10 style spinning circle of dots, and it's two and a half rotations. I can live with that.

I used to pin the C: drive to the Win Taskbar and it would open in cascading style

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Former member 209992

Last reply Today at 6:03 AM · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center

Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Yesterday at 3:39 PM

Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 3:42 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.

WTF… …What the Foxbat!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:28 AM

zipping right along here

slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:29 AM

Foxbat said:
WTF… …What the Foxbat!

wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you :biggrin

Foxbat

Today at 12:38 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you

I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:03 AM

Foxbat said:
I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:

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OMG to freaking funny :biggrin

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cpdretired

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 6:02 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Offers

Several Dish offers showed up today in my account. Once you choose one the rest are removed. Offers were Showtime, Starz, AMC and others.

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bnewt

Sep 23, 2026

Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

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ewindowman

Tuesday at 3:09 PM

Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.

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Almighty1

Tuesday at 9:52 PM

ewindowman said:
Lots of offers on the hopper account app . On the website there are only a few.

Never had time to use the Hopper 3 account app yet. I also have a Hopper Plus so it's not the same as the Hopper 3 standalone. Will try it when I have more time, need to beat the taxes extension filing deadline first as I am still working on entering the data into the tax software.

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Almighty1

Wednesday at 6:49 AM

This is what I see when it comes to offers on My Account on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com:

AMC+ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
AMC+ Free for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
AMC+ 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Cine y Entretenimie 50% off for 3 months

DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

DISH Movie Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

DOGTV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
DOGTV 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Gallery First Month Free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Heartland Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Mexico y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

MGM+ $0.00/Month not saying how long (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Multi-Sport Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Netflix Standard with Ads, $7.99/month credit toward Netflix Standard with Ads ($.99) month with 24 month DISH commitment
(Only on My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Outdoor Pack 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 50% off for three months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)
Paramount+ with SHOWTIME 2 months free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Playboy TV 50% off for 6 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

Republica Dominicana 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

STARZ 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)
STARZ $1.99/month for 2 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and dish.com)

Sudamerica y Mas 50% off for 3 months (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

UP Faith & Family 1 month free (My Account Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus)

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 11:45 PM

bnewt said:
Just checked my account and it shows mgm+ at 8.00 per month, but that has red line drawn thru it and shows 0.00 per month. But it doesn't say how long this lasts,...... 1 month, 3 months, forever. I called customer service to get an answer, and they said nothing like that exists. Should I add the offer or not? Already paying them too much, but want to take advantage of something free.

look again mine says free for 1 month

Almighty1

Today at 2:13 AM

slow_poke_pete said:
look again mine says free for 1 month

Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 6:02 AM

Almighty1 said:
Not for me, mines has no mention of how long aka the offer period and the Terms and conditions the $0.00 is good for. All I see is one can lose $5.00 if you decide to remove it before day 31 after you add it to the account.

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wonder why it says that

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply Today at 5:56 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Yesterday at 5:39 PM

White Noise - Jessie Baylin

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White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane

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White Sun - The Doobie Brothers

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Today at 2:40 AM

White Room-Cream

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Today at 5:56 AM

White Wedding - Billy Idol

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Today at 3:22 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

AI Can Self-Replicate: Unplugging the Threat! #shorts

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 3:22 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

AI Model Poisoning: The Hidden Threat on Hugging Face #shorts

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View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/w5TOILSc_U8

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jannah

Last reply Today at 12:33 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Purchased Joey 4 avtivate

Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks

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jannah

Oct 7, 2026

All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.

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slow_poke_pete

Oct 8, 2026

jannah said:
All good called Dish and new Joey 4 is activated and working.
Old Joey 2 deactivated and no need to return.

i bought mine straight from dish as it was only $ 100.00 bucks!!! had the protection plan they came out removed and deactivated the 4k joey and activated and installed the joey 4.

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zcrayfish

Monday at 1:08 PM

Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.

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Nominal

Monday at 5:45 PM

I don't know if things are different with Dish but when I first rejoined DirecTV a few years ago Solid Signal was able to create my account and activate the equipment I got from them on a self-install without a truck roll.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:30 AM

zcrayfish said:
Solid signal has provided the wrong number on their website to activate Dish boxes for years now.

1-800-333-3474. billing or tech support should be able to do it!!!

slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:33 AM

jannah said:
Help, I'm a little confjused on the activation process.
I purchased the Joey 4 from Solid Signal and shipping box has Call 866 726-4282 to Avtivate new Receiver. That number is Solid Signals number.
I googled and that search said call Dish to activate. I assume that is correct unless this requires a 2 step process.
Please let me know.
Thanks

just call dish and iggy the number from solid signal!!

Foxbat

Supporting Founder Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 12:08 AM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

New Apple TV 4K released, plus other Apple Home devices.

Apple has finally released their Apple TV 4K with built-in Siri and a microphone so it can respond to your queries even if you don't have the remote. It also increases in price, to $299. I had been planning on updating my current Apple TV 4K streamers, but that's $600 for the two of them, and that's a pass at this point.

At $299, it had better come with 256 GB of Storage, Gigabit (or better) Ethernet, the latest HDMI tech and standards, and one year of free Apple One. But it probably won't…

Apple TV 4K

Apple TV 4K. New Siri AI and hands-free control. Stunning picture and immersive HomePod surround sound. Works with your Apple and smart home devices.

www.apple.com

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Ronnie-

Tuesday at 9:19 PM

Meh. The 4Ks I have will do everything that these do that I need them to do.

Which that's most tech these days for anything released the last four to five years.

It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

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navychop

Tuesday at 9:31 PM

Ronnie- said:
It's honestly a testament to how good the previous gen Apple TVs were and are.

Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

Foxbat

Wednesday at 8:59 PM

The only thing I can see that is compelling is the AV1 decoding done in the A19's hardware instead of the current ATV4K's processor.

navychop

Yesterday at 12:55 PM

Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

KAB

Yesterday at 7:46 PM

navychop said:
Outside of gaming, would Joe Sixpack notice any difference?

Not a bit. IMO, Apple's are slow to boot up. Time is about the same with 1st gen and 3rd. Roku runs rings around them in that department. I only reason I stuck, is the Apple infrastructure, which has it's definite advantages. But $300 is a deal breaker. Later, Apple!

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 12:08 AM

navychop said:
Don't tell them that. They'll adopt planned obsolescence.

they all do that anyways.. ever notice your cell phone slows down when you come up for an upgrade.. :what

. apple's been making money off of software and not hardware for a while

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