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Last reply Dec 15, 2007 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Which transponder to use when pointing dish

Hello Guys,

I was just wondering which transponder should I use when aiming for 119 satellite..and which one for 110. the point Dish screen has a transponder selection...so which one should it be.

Thanks,
Andy

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Liquidforce88

Dec 13, 2007

From reading your other thread your signals are fine. You will waste alot of time to either make your signal worse or maybe get an additional point or two. 75 on the modified meter is a good signal.

andyg

Dec 13, 2007

Dave nye said:
From reading your other thread your signals are fine. You will waste alot of time to either make your signal worse or maybe get an additional point or two. 75 on the modified meter is a good signal.

ok guys...I think I might have pinpointed what the problem is with my system. let me know your toughts.

here is the thing. I know that most of you say that signal strength does not affect picture quality at all. So, I just went and checked something.

I went to point dish screen on my receiver and checked the signal strength on all transponders for 119 and then 110 satellites (have dish 500).

Here is what I have found (min and max signal strength levels on both birds out of 125 max level):
119 bird: 62 min/76 max
110 bird: 21 min/68 max

As you can see the signal strength of 110 bird is lower.
Now, out of curiousity I went on dish network website and found out which satellite my "problem" channels are coming from. Surprisingly or not I found out that channels like Tennis Channel, Fox Soccer channel and other that are included in Top 250 package are broadcast from 110 bird with lower signal strength then 119.

Yes, I know that you are saying signal strenght does not matter for picture quality. However, nevertheless I wonder why 110 channels on my system have lower pq when they have lower signal strength????

One thing I found out that is not proving what I have found of course is that RDS FSN ohio where I watch hockey is coming from 119 bird (and I still have problems with that channel). However, FSN ohio on 119 is far much better pq then tennis channel or fox soccer channel on 110.

I am confused now..!

vegassatellite

Dec 14, 2007

andyg said:
ok guys...I think I might have pinpointed what the problem is with my system. let me know your toughts.

here is the thing. I know that most of you say that signal strength does not affect picture quality at all. So, I just went and checked something.

I went to point dish screen on my receiver and checked the signal strength on all transponders for 119 and then 110 satellites (have dish 500).

Here is what I have found (min and max signal strength levels on both birds out of 125 max level):
119 bird: 62 min/76 max
110 bird: 21 min/68 max

As you can see the signal strength of 110 bird is lower.
Now, out of curiousity I went on dish network website and found out which satellite my "problem" channels are coming from. Surprisingly or not I found out that channels like Tennis Channel, Fox Soccer channel and other that are included in Top 250 package are broadcast from 110 bird with lower signal strength then 119.

Yes, I know that you are saying signal strenght does not matter for picture quality. However, nevertheless I wonder why 110 channels on my system have lower pq when they have lower signal strength????

One thing I found out that is not proving what I have found of course is that RDS FSN ohio where I watch hockey is coming from 119 bird (and I still have problems with that channel). However, FSN ohio on 119 is far much better pq then tennis channel or fox soccer channel on 110.

I am confused now..!

I gave you advice about this in another thread. You need to have someone check your bit:error ratios. If they are good, then either the receiver is bad or the provided signal is over-compressed.

What you can do in the meantime is go to the particular channels you have trouble on and while watching those channels, go to menu>6,1,1 and see what satellite/transponder is coming up. That should be the transponder for that channel and you can see if the signal level is low.

andyg

Dec 15, 2007

vegassatellite said:
I gave you advice about this in another thread. You need to have someone check your bit:error ratios. If they are good, then either the receiver is bad or the provided signal is over-compressed.

What you can do in the meantime is go to the particular channels you have trouble on and while watching those channels, go to menu>6,1,1 and see what satellite/transponder is coming up. That should be the transponder for that channel and you can see if the signal level is low.

thanks for all your advise. You are very helpful..I will talk to dish about it today.
also..I checked the signal on the problem channels I am having a reading of 65 on one of them from bird 110 transponder 9..it is a soccer channel GOLTV; tennis channel is 60 on bird 110 transponder 5, and fox soccer channel is 61 bird 110 transponder 11.
if the issue is just over compression, then what would be the solution? this is the kind of picture I am frequently getting - http://www.dbsinstall.com/N-images/HDTV/compression-high-zoom.jpg

harshness

Dec 15, 2007

andyg said:
if the issue is just over compression, then what would be the solution?

A better quality TV may provide a better image. In order to provide a better rendition of those channels, DISH would have to up the bitrate on them and that's probably not going to happen (well, maybe when they transition SD channels to MPEG4).

As was pointed out earlier, no amount of dish peaking is going to change the PQ of a channel that you're able to receive unless you're experiencing obvious loss of signal.

andyg

Dec 15, 2007

harshness said:
A better quality TV may provide a better image. In order to provide a better rendition of those channels, DISH would have to up the bitrate on them and that's probably not going to happen (well, maybe when they transition SD channels to MPEG4).

As was pointed out earlier, no amount of dish peaking is going to change the PQ of a channel that you're able to receive unless you're experiencing obvious loss of signal.

I see....hmmm don;t you think this is ridiculous that dish network even allows the compression to affect quality that bad as to make it almost impossible to watch some channels? Especially considering the fact how they brag about their great picture quality that is better then cable. I used the same exact TV for digital cable and had no problems whatsoever.

charlesrshell

Dec 15, 2007

harshness said:
A better quality TV may provide a better image. In order to provide a better rendition of those channels, DISH would have to up the bitrate on them and that's probably not going to happen (well, maybe when they transition SD channels to MPEG4).

As was pointed out earlier, no amount of dish peaking is going to change the PQ of a channel that you're able to receive unless you're experiencing obvious loss of signal.

Do you know what is holding up the transition from SD channels to MPEG4? Any guess when it will be completely done?

harshness

Dec 15, 2007

charlesrshell said:
Do you know what is holding up the transition from SD channels to MPEG4?

An installed base of millions of MPEG2-only receivers.

Any guess when it will be completely done?

Probably not for a couple of years; at least until every subscriber has at least one MPEG4 capable box.

The lease plan should accelerate this as people won't be hanging on to "owned" receivers and otherwise gumming up the works with legacy equipment.

harshness

Dec 15, 2007

andyg said:
I see....hmmm don;t you think this is ridiculous that dish network even allows the compression to affect quality that bad as to make it almost impossible to watch some channels?

It is a balancing act.

Did the Tennis and soccer channels look better on cable or did you have to go to DISH to get them? The soccer channels in particular often suffer from the programming originating in some other TV format which doesn't help.

I've found that better televisions produce an acceptable picture. Certainly nowhere near as clean as on an SDTV, but even the OTA SD channel (analog or digital) PQ is diminished when displayed on an HDTV. If you were sucked into the idea that "Digital = highest quality", then God bless you.

andyg

Dec 15, 2007

harshness said:
It is a balancing act.

Did the Tennis and soccer channels look better on cable or did you have to go to DISH to get them? The soccer channels in particular often suffer from the programming originating in some other TV format which doesn't help.

I've found that better televisions produce an acceptable picture. Certainly nowhere near as clean as on an SDTV, but even the OTA SD channel (analog or digital) PQ is diminished when displayed on an HDTV. If you were sucked into the idea that "Digital = highest quality", then God bless you.

no the hockey channels looked better on cable. I did not have soccer or tennis on cable. yeah, I was unfortunately led to believe that digital meant higher quality. I don't think you can blame me for that though after seeing all those dishonest dish and direct commercials on TV that is what you led to believe in. Now that I learn more about it, I understand. I like the variety of channels, but I would probably not signeded up for it though if I knew the quality was so bad at that time.

yep..god bless me and god bless you for all the helpful answers

vegassatellite

Dec 15, 2007

Hey andy, why don't you find a local Dish retailer who has a showroom and sample those channels at his location. If they are equally bad, then you know that is a broadcast issue that you can't do anything about other than complain. However, if he has no artifacting at his location, then the problem is likely specific to your location.

andyg

Dec 15, 2007

vegassatellite said:
Hey andy, why don't you find a local Dish retailer who has a showroom and sample those channels at his location. If they are equally bad, then you know that is a broadcast issue that you can't do anything about other than complain. However, if he has no artifacting at his location, then the problem is likely specific to your location.

yeah that's good idea..I will try that.

do you know if the bandwidth can be dynamically controlled, so that channels are more compressed in certain locations in the country than others? I don't think it is possible..but just curious.

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I remember this in the news too...

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SkyWatcher57 said:
Hello folks, well my luck ran out last week with a nasty thunderstorm and after 39 years here, finally took a hit. Now, the FTA receivers I had for some years worked great until now. Recently picked up a fairly cheap receiver, online, KOQIT and seems to be good, but for the life of me, I cannot get the HDMI output to work with 3 of my Samsung monitors. I can hook it up to my Samsung TV and its HDMI input and it works fine. The 2 receivers I lost also worked fine with them, so am I going crazy? anyone have come across this or have any suggestions? And, since this is a somewhat cheap unit but works, what is everyone out there using for receivers these days? without breaking the bank? I enjoy watching FTA TV, so I will invest more if needed, what is a really good, detailed unit these days. I'm so use to watching a few of them HD channels. Right now I'm down to composite hookups, yuck! Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank

Take the cover off, show me pics of the board of the bad one and also the bottom of the board. I'm an old hardware electronics tech plus a satellite dealer; I fixed a lot of FTA and regular receivers. I may be able to fix it for you. And yes, they got hit by lightning; it's best to email me the pics at diamondsatellite@snet.net or call me at 203-232-8888. I give you a 50-50 chance of fixing it; I do have spare parts. my phone is a fliptop phone
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SkyWatcher57 said:
Hello folks, well my luck ran out last week with a nasty thunderstorm and after 39 years here, finally took a hit. Now, the FTA receivers I had for some years worked great until now. Recently picked up a fairly cheap receiver, online, KOQIT and seems to be good, but for the life of me, I cannot get the HDMI output to work with 3 of my Samsung monitors. I can hook it up to my Samsung TV and its HDMI input and it works fine. The 2 receivers I lost also worked fine with them, so am I going crazy? anyone have come across this or have any suggestions? And, since this is a somewhat cheap unit but works, what is everyone out there using for receivers these days? without breaking the bank? I enjoy watching FTA TV, so I will invest more if needed, what is a really good, detailed unit these days. I'm so use to watching a few of them HD channels. Right now I'm down to composite hookups, yuck! Any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank

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(((Garyd))) said:
Take the cover off, show me pics of the board of the bad one and also the bottom of the board. I'm an old hardware electronics tech plus a satellite dealer; I fixed a lot of FTA and regular receivers. I may be able to fix it for you. And yes, they got hit by lightning; it's best to email me the pics at diamondsatellite@snet.net or call me at 203-232-8888. I give you a 50-50 chance of fixing it; I do have spare parts. my phone is a fliptop phone
Gary

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SkyWatcher57 said:
Hi Gary, just saw this, ok, I'll grab some pics tomorrow and post them. thx

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I run them through several different providers to see who has the lowest cost

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