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Background - I posted sometime ago (thanks to those who emailed me) about weakening reception in the Dallas area with SC around the time that HD was being rolled out. Over about a 7 month period almost one by one each channel deteriorated although my signal strength (54) and quality (69) remain relatively constant as it had been for the last 7 years without issue. Good news is I still get CBC on 324 so can watch HNC (isn't that why we all do this?). With the goal to increase signal strength and correct the issue I purchased a new 75e with the new quad LNB - Dad purchased it from an Ontario Source store and brought it down. I have a single older Motorola DSR 400 (I think) receiver - no HD.

The install – We obtained the various setting both from those who have shared on this site and from the supplier of the dish (small town where everyone knows everyone) I realize knowing and getting it right are two different things so more on that in a minute. To help with the process I obtained a small sat finder from Radio Shack which turned out to be quite useful (sort of). It does not give a DB readout but does provide a relative strength indication that with constant tuning helps identified increasing signal strength. After mounting an hour or so of tuning I have been successful of reaching a signal level of only 24 as indicated on the receiver. One curiosity I observed was when using the "tune in Satellite signal" (the bar) on the older dish I would see a signal strength of 54 and when checking the Signal strength under status it would match also at 54. It has always been this way where the two numbers generally match or are within a digit or two. With the 75e the status showed a signal strength of 98 (never been this high) when the "tune in satellite bar" indicated only 24. Star choice indicates to go by the Tune in level but I am curious as to what the status number is showing and why all of a sudden it is showing 98.

SC cannot make the required changes to the receiver until we get the signal strength up to the green however and although I can continue to tweak the various pointing angles and skew I do not think I am out by much. SC has confirmed we are pointing at the correct satellite (A5) on the receiver.

I have the benefit of the other dish and have remounted – used the same methodology for the round dish (no skew) and was able to lock on back to a 54 signal level within a few minutes after adjustments. I have a single cable from the dish to the receiver and since we are able to verify the integrity of that connection am quite certain it is sound. .

Question 1 – Does anyone know the significance of the Status screen versus the tune in screen on the receiver - what is it telling us?
Question 2 - Does the tune in satellite function truly detect db levels and translate that into a signal strength level?
Question 3 – Is there anyway to check the quad LNB without simply swapping with a replacement (this will not happen quickly)?

I will continue to tinker with the angles and will actually mount both antennas side by side so I can easily swap and get further confidence of the pointing direction. I have read that many have had success with the 75e so am at a bit of a loss as to why this is not coming in.

Sorry for the long explanation - Any guidance on something I may have missed would be most appreciated.

…Steve
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Thank you for your reply as it help us get on the right track. It was not a typo and we were indeed locked on A5. Using 4128 and setting up both dishes side by side mad easier to get to the correct satellite. We are getting signal levels in the low 70's now however the big mystery is that it works. I was under the impression with the new Quad LNB's a call to SC was required for them to do something to the receiver to enable it. The other observation is that even with the higher signal level we are seeing some channels still "blip" in and out although on much fewer channels - 506 and 513 - seem the most noticeable.

Do you know if we should make that call to SC and would they do something that would improve? I have found information on this board more reliable than SC so would like your thoughts/experience on this? Again - thank you so much for the help.
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Well we have now recorded most of the channels that come in solid and those that flicker or blank out (about half). Can anyone confirm what signal level is required to guarantee a solid picture? I am starting to wonder if there is something (compatibility) with the broadcast signal and the receiver I have. So the other question is there anywhere I can verify the correct firmware revs for the receiver DSR-400. SC help is not much help as they keep telling it is the dish pointed incorrectly but offer little explanation as to why we can watch one channel without failure and then switch to 299 and watch the fireplace blink in and out at the same signal level. They then tried to blame it on a snow storm in Ontario however one of the channels that works was from Kingston and the fireplace is supposed to be coming from Calgary which is clear. I am off today to by a brand new cable just in case however I am not optimistic and everything I am seeing leaves me to believe this unique to the up-link signal not the down-link.
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Can someone tell Steve how to get into the diagnostics screen to read the EBNO readings on the 400? I am sorry I have forgot since last summer when our 400 died because the CMOS battery bit the farm. Oh well, a 205 was easily had at a garage sale for $5.

The EBNO readings are much more reliable than the signal strengh meter anyways.

Yes we did get about 3 inches of smow last night from a storm in Michigan - the sticky kind - had to go out and knock some off the lnb. This is the first time I have ever had to do this - must be the extra S/N ratio needed for 8SPK.

Hope this helps.
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Steve : Is yours a 405?

Steve:

I know you mentioned something about a 400, but is your receiver a DSR405? If so, (in case you did not know/have this already), here's the link to your receiver's user manual

http://www.starchoice.com/english/store/download/DSR405_manual_e.pdf

All manuals can be found at Star Choice - Customer Care - User Manuals

As SatGuyz suggested, have you tuned into those problematic channels and then going into diagnostics to check signal strength/Ebnos on those channels? The manual tells you the steps to fine-tune and you could use those in any specific channel also. A quick look at manual page 22 (page 36 per adobe acrobat reader) and if the steps listed there are accurate (Other 405 owners can chime in):
(1) go to your problematic channel
(2) Press OPTIONS on your remote
(3) Press 6 (system settings)
(4) Press 3
(5) Press 1
(6) Enter "4128" for Provider ID.
(7) That should list you signal strength in the box named 'Signal'

If all that is fine, the only other question I have is I know you had a round dish previously. Was the LNBs starchoice supplied? Were they Stacked? The new 75E dish has non-stacked LNBFs and if that is the case, no harm in calling Starchoice and asking for a re-hit, since you switched from a stacked lnbf to non-stacked. From what I gathered from this forum, when you do this, make sure that you are on channel 299 when you make this call.

Good luck and post your results/solution for this 'unique' problem.
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Again thanks for the guidance. It is a DSR405. If you view the signal level on a channel by channel basis you will see some variation but in general the level for a channel goes from a low of 65 to a high of 78 when viewing the tune in signal selection (6-3-1). If you look at status (6-4) you will get readings sometimes as high as 90 but in general it tracks slightly higher than 6-3-1.
We just got off the phone with Star Choice and then did a complete reset of our receiver with no change in symptoms. I have made an observation that there is something in the content of what is being broadcast and the symptom of stations blinking in and out. We were watching a show on 322 that was fine until the station would broadcast a banner ad at the bottom and the flickering would start immediately. As soon as the ad was gone the picture stabilized again and was fine. During commercials the problem returned - when the show returned - no problem. Which leads me to believe it is something in the content of the signal. I also noticed if there is a bad signal and you hit info the picture in the background comes in clear until the receiver text is turned off and the signal blinks out almost immediately.

Star Choice has told us the receiver has gone bad and we will need to replace it and they can not do much for us until they have tried this - good news it is covered and the replacement is free. Bad news I need to arrange for shipment.

Should anyone have further info or suggestions it would be appreciated - when I arrange to return the receiver and get the new one back I will continue my story.
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Not alot of dish customers any more
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I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
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If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!




Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.
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I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
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Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.
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"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
That's what I will be watching this weekend.🤗
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Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.
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.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.
I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
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Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


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I had quit watching this show years ago because I ended up more annoyed than entertained. Well......I'm STILL more annoyed than entertained. I DO find it interesting to see how things work behind the scenes at many businesses. What annoys me is how utterly out of touch CEOs are with the companies they run. At the end of almost every episode the head of the company is amazed at how hard the employees have to work and many times have to work around impossible guidelines set forth from headquarters.

I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.


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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley
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