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Hey Guys;

I've been a happy customer of DirecTV since 1999, and didn't think I would change, however recently my house burnt down. After dealing with everything related to that, I was looking at getting my DirecTV system set back up w/ 2 DVRs.

The new place has a previous Dish 500 installed, and there is a line of site between some trees to 110/119*... There is also a shot to 101* about 5 feet to the right of the Dish 500... it's a narrow shot, but it is there--I wasn't exact about 99* or 103* but I was sure about 101*. Considering the circumstances, D* gave me a break on my 2 burnt up HR20's, and offered me a full HD system install for $200, with 2 more HR20's, or a free 2 SD DVR system if I didn't have a line of sight for HD. I accepted this, and the first installer came out from Ironwood Communications... Having installed D* a number of times myself, I have a pretty good eye for where the sats are in the sky. I've had 2 professional installations done for myself, and both went flawless...

Appointment 1:
This guy had a bad attitude from the start--took one reading from standing on the back deck and said "no way" I could get 99-119*... he said I needed 103, which was to the right of 119*... I told him I knew it was between 101* and 110*, and that since Dish was pointing to 110/119 already and got perfect signal, 99-103 was the only issue. He told me I didn't know what I was talking about, that Dish is in a totally different place, and that the way they display in the system is the order they are in the sky... If anyone could put a system in, it would be him. Yeah--right. He said he would only put the system in 100+ feet from the house, for $300 in cable, and I'd have to sink the pole myself. I said no way, since this is only a temp place for a year or so--I just want the SD system--and that I've bought 1000 feet of shielded, underground RG-6 for less than $100 bucks...

He says the paperwork was only for an HD system, he didn't have the SD equipment, and that I needed to reschedule, although "I don't know what kind of good that will do you"....

Appointment 2:
This guy shows up late, and was very ticked at the thought that he had to INSTALL the system... his paperwork says "Service Call" on it, and he is sticking with that--it doesn't matter that directv.com says INSTALL... it doesn't matter that DirecTV says INSTALL when I call them... he calls his dispatch, hands me the phone and she basically says "Whoops! Sorry! You'll have to reschedule"... He also has a BAD attitude, but he said that since it was a service call, he would look for line of sight to 101*--he finds it just where I suspected, 5 feet to the right of the Dish 500... he tells me that it is one narrow shot, and the dish needs to be placed within about a 12" area--but it is there--he even let me check with the meter he was using to confirm--yep I was right... but since this is a SERVICE CALL, he won't touch anything... I need to reschedule.... FINE.

Appointment 3:
They send the first guy again... It was painfully obvious that he didn't want to be there. "So is it going in the yard?"... I told him that we were just doing a signle shot to 101* from the roof, and that I had a previous tech come out and tell me where it goes on the roof. This guy goes out, stands on the back deck again, takes one reading, shakes his head, says "No way--not happening"... I told him to look exactly where the other tech was--he does "Nope". I asked him to let me check it myself with his meter "Nope can't do that..."... at this point I just asked to do it myself... Just leave me the dish & receiver & I'll do it myself... he gets lippy "I pay for this equipment--I can't leave it with you!"...

I asked him to just put it up and try--I've done this enough, and the other tech confirmed it will work... "I'm not going to do that--It won't work--if you want it in the yard, sink the pole, pay 300 and you'll have it--if not, I'm leaving"... At this point I'll admit I sort of lost it and told him to get off my property in very colorful words, and that I thought he was coming up with excuses for me to buy cable--at this point he stomped off, and his assistant came in--I was fired up, but he had a much better attitude so it calmed me down... the assistant told me he thinks he sees the shot I'm talking about but "I think he's taking this personal--I've never seen him like this" about the other installer. He says he's off training in 3 days, and I can request him if I can't get the other tech--but that the other guy has made up his mind--he doesn't want to do the install, or even try... I have to rescedule...

So I call up DirecTV, and go directly to their rententions group... they can't believe what happened, and conference me with Ironwood Communications... who conveniently lost the name of the tech who came the middle time who was willing to install--if it hadn't shown up as a service call. They say they will send a "lead installer" for APPOINTMENT 4. This "lead installer" better get it in, because I have Dish Network coming the next day to simply add DVRs to the existing Dish 500 system... I don't want to go that way since I am so used to DirecTV's channel numbers and planned on getting a Tivo-based R10 in a bit for the front room--but this just pushes it.

SO, this leads me to primary questions:

1. Is there any way to get a different installer than Ironwood through DirecTV? I looked around online and it looks like I'm not the only one who has had issues with them. I had an install done with a company called DirecStar (I believe) and it was PERFECT.

2. Is there any truth to this "I buy the receivers--they don't pay me for them back until they are installed" BS from the installers? I always thought an installer could drop equipment off, and as long as I signed for it, I could install it myself or do whatever.

3. Is there any way to just have DirecTV ship me everything? I never had these issues when I installed myself... I don't even need to use too much cable since there are already cable runs from the Dish dish.

Anyways, sorry about the rant--I have honestly never had a reason to be ticked at DirecTV--until now--and it wasn't even D*'s fault--it was their stupid installer... We'll see if number 4 is the charm. If not, E* just picked up a new customer.

--Nat
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harshness
Such is the unfortunate nature of Ironwood.
M
I had problems with a dtv contractor. Called dtv and they said when requesting service ask for a "in house tech." Apparently these in house techs work directely for dtv. He had a nice dtv truck with all equipment tools etc. Did a great job. The contractor had an old pick-up truck and borrowed most of the tools required from me. Good luck.
J
It is a crapshoot,

Eventually even Ironwood will send a competent tech; maybe.

Joe
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Yes it is possable that ironwood has insituted a similar policy the company i was working for was debating, in that charge the tech/subcontractor for the box then "reimburse" once its put in. So it is possable. What you should of done is told him you'll sign off on the w/o stating u'd self install and that any service calls you woud get charged for. Then let him call in and activate it, and get paid for doin nothing, and turn off IPPV so he wouldent get dinged for the reciever not phoning home within 24 hrs after directv sent the hit to it.
iwc5893
Appointment 2:
This guy shows up late, and was very ticked at the thought that he had to INSTALL the system... his paperwork says "Service Call" on it, and he is sticking with that--it doesn't matter that directv.com says INSTALL... it doesn't matter that DirecTV says INSTALL when I call them... he calls his dispatch, hands me the phone and she basically says "Whoops! Sorry! You'll have to reschedule"... He also has a BAD attitude, but he said that since it was a service call, he would look for line of sight to 101*--he finds it just where I suspected, 5 feet to the right of the Dish 500... he tells me that it is one narrow shot, and the dish needs to be placed within about a 12" area--but it is there--he even let me check with the meter he was using to confirm--yep I was right... but since this is a SERVICE CALL, he won't touch anything... I need to reschedule.... FINE.

As to the work order, if it said Service Call, then that is what the tech is prepared to do. It is what he has the time and equipment for, and it would be what he is getting paid for. The work order comes directly from DirecTV (Ironwood can't create them) and is usually sent 1-2 days in advance. Yes, the tech could have waited several hours for DirecTV to correct the work order, and then installed your system. While this is going on, the rest of his customers that day would be posting on here because their installer was late or didn't show...just because he was still dealing with your issue. Maybe that's what happened at the tech's previous job site, which is what made him late.

So I call up DirecTV, and go directly to their rententions group... they can't believe what happened, and conference me with Ironwood Communications... who conveniently lost the name of the tech who came the middle time who was willing to install--if it hadn't shown up as a service call. They say they will send a "lead installer" for APPOINTMENT 4. This "lead installer" better get it in, because I have Dish Network coming the next day to simply add DVRs to the existing Dish 500 system... I don't want to go that way since I am so used to DirecTV's channel numbers and planned on getting a Tivo-based R10 in a bit for the front room--but this just pushes it.

Every tech that has showed up has had a bad attitude and has been late...and now the next person to show up "better get it in" or otherwise you'll go with Dish? Word of advice...go to Dish and see what happens there. Nothing that DirecTV or Ironwood can or will do will satisfy you, so go see how the other half lives.


SO, this leads me to primary questions:

1. Is there any way to get a different installer than Ironwood through DirecTV? I looked around online and it looks like I'm not the only one who has had issues with them. I had an install done with a company called DirecStar (I believe) and it was PERFECT.
You can try a local retailer, but they are usually sub contractors to HSP's like Ironwood.

2. Is there any truth to this "I buy the receivers--they don't pay me for them back until they are installed" BS from the installers? I always thought an installer could drop equipment off, and as long as I signed for it, I could install it myself or do whatever.
The installer is financially responsible for the receiver until it is installed AND activated. If you read the lease agreement carefully, you will see that all receivers must be activated within 30 days of your installation or DirecTV will charge you a bunch of money.

3. Is there any way to just have DirecTV ship me everything? I never had these issues when I installed myself... I don't even need to use too much cable since there are already cable runs from the Dish dish.
You can try, but I haven't heard of people having much luck with this.

Anyways, sorry about the rant--I have honestly never had a reason to be ticked at DirecTV--until now--and it wasn't even D*'s fault--it was their stupid installer... We'll see if number 4 is the charm. If not, E* just picked up a new customer.

--Nat
It was both DirecTV's and the installer's (first one) fault. Switch to E* now and don't be surprised at the quality of service you get there.

Lead installer will be their best man. In my case he was very good so I hope yours is too.
That just means they've been there more than 6 months

Such is the unfortunate nature of Ironwood.
Yep

I had problems with a dtv contractor. Called dtv and they said when requesting service ask for a "in house tech." Apparently these in house techs work directely for dtv. He had a nice dtv truck with all equipment tools etc. Did a great job. The contractor had an old pick-up truck and borrowed most of the tools required from me. Good luck.
DTV doesn't have in-house techs. The guys in the vans work for HSPs like Ironwood Communications.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
navychop
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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So after some heavy research, it looks like the issue I mentioned with the DISH 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes where on the 50.0/52.0 remotes, the dedicated TV Power button or on the 54.x remotes where it is using the TV button on the side followed by Power works correctly on a Hopper 3 which runs Linux but not on a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 which are Android TV (ATV) has to do with the Android TV software itself. In all instances, the remotes had always sent out a dual RF and Infrared signal when the TV Power signal is sent from the remote. The Hopper 3 without the Plus would ignore the incoming RF power packet signal which is identified as a TV-specific toggle event, and does not trigger a system-wide standby state. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 as Android TV devices initially worked the same way as well up to sometime in 2025 as there was the legacy pass-through mode in the original software versions used since the Hopper Plus/Joey 4/Wireless Joey 4 launch, the receiver's underlying software essentially ignored the secondary RF payload that the 50.0/52.0/54.x remotes blasted out whenever the TV Power signal was sent. The Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 recognized it was a TV-specific command and discarded the RF packet, letting the standalone IR signal do its job on the tv.

When the software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 were updated in 2025 and newer versions of the software for those Android TV (ATV) devices, it overhauled how the receiver handles remote commands to tighter integrate the Android TV environment which resulted in the software starting to treat any RF power toggle payload as a global command. As the newer software verion(s) no longer filters out the concurrent RF blast from the 50.0/52.0/54.0 remotes, the moment one sends a TV Power signal from the remote, the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 catches that unintended RF payloadand interpets it as a command to drop the system into standby.

The fix is really simple since the Android TV (ATV) software for the Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 just needs to be programmed to drop or ignore the specific RF power packets associated with the TV Power signal sequence.

The problem could also be at the remotes firmware as the remote's firmware has an engineering defect. When you try to turn off the TV, the remote's internal code mistakenly triggers its RF transmitter alongside its IR transmitter. It should only be firing the IR light blast. Because it forces a simultaneous broadcast, the remote's firmware is the original source of the problem.

The Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey firmware has a filtering defect. Good software design dictating peripheral inputs should include "error handling"—rules that tell the system what to do with messy or unintended commands.
• The legacy Hopper 3 firmware has proper error handling; it sees the remote's rogue RF packet and safely ignores it.
• The Android TV firmware in the Hopper Plu, Joey 4 and Wireless lacks this filtering logic. It blindly accepts the rogue RF packet and misinterprets it as a legitimate signal to force the entire system into standby.

If the remote didn't have a firmware bug, it wouldn't send the phantom RF signal. If the Android TV (ATV) device being the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus, Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4 didn't have a firmware bug, it would cleanly ignore the signal just like the Hopper 3 does.

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That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.
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That's a lot of information to ingest. However, I don't have the Hopper Plus and my 54 remote is doing crazy things to the Hopper 3. Several times each evening when I press the skip forward button several times to advance through a commercial, it switches the receiver either onto live TV or into suspension. Other buttons will also cause this randomly, I haven't established any patterns I can describe. I use "recall" to go back to my recorded program in progress.

Needless to say, something in the newer Hopper 3 softwares has caused the remote functioning to ......................malfunction. Evidently, it applies to third party remotes as well as DISH's own remotes.

This is exactly the same issue I was having as I had the Hopper 3 and 54 remote without the Hopper Plus and the symptoms were virtually identical to yours.
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Jimbo

If there was a way to put itself in a loop and keep going forever, would be awesome .... I see eventually he hot it there, the trick is to be able to Hang up and move on with your life, while it still goes forever.
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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It's only available for streaming customers, they still haven't added that batch of CW stations to satellite.

Even if it was, satellite customers still can't stream their CW affiliates via the app, just the Big 4, select PBS stations and some independents (mainly the ones that have full season NHL/NBA rights)
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

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264​
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1449​
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SD mpeg4​
145​
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194​
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SD mpeg2​
433​
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Audio​
89​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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National​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
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weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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Picked up a sweet directv dish, mount, twin lnbs and a short cable.
Has anyone converted one to FTA? A Frankenstein of sorts...
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I have read that some have converted this type dish but after giving it a good look, it's the lnb conversion that is the bottleneck. Does anyone have a picture of their attempt to configure the lnb? I watched a video on youtube from the save it for parts guy and he used duct tape! Guess it worked but I'm thinking something a bit more permanent!
Thanks to all for your interest and replies...
Titanium
Many of us have used a universal LNBF mount (or get creative with L brackets and plumbers tape - perforated metal strapping). Use a few inches of aluminum tube (or a piece of 1x2" lumber) to extend the support arm (replacing the plastic mount used by DirecTV and Dish) to place the LNBF throat opening at the correct distance from the reflector, the correct height and at the correct angle. Nothing magical... simply place the new linear LNBF in the center at the same distance, height and angle as the current combo.
www.amazon.com/Universal-Single-Bracket-Holder-FTA-US/dp/B074L85WK2
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To add: 101W Ku seems to be (one of if not the) strongest for me, and if I only had Ku I definitely want 101W for the music mux, it's robust FEC and strong signal help a lot. I've thought about using a used Dish/DirectTV dish at my Dads to supplement his OTA (mainly for my benefit when I visit :) )
cyberham
I used a 60cm Shaw Satellie dish (60e) with its original dual-LNB. It worked fine for 101W/97W or 99W/103W at that time when weather was fine. But the fade margin was small so rainy weather killed reception or almost so. But it was all free since they're so plentiful so I couldn't complain.
Titanium
A Shaw dish with the linear LNBFs are as rare as hens teeth in the US... :)