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I started a similar thread in the D* forum, but am just lost in comparing the 2 services. I can't get locals in HD in either service and it seems there are some more hidden costs with D* further down the road. Especially on the lease of the receivers.

I am hooking up 4 televisions. One of which will be HD/DVR....the rest are SD. With E*, I can accomplish this with 2 receivers.....and the DVR is a better way to go with E* from what I have read.

Below I have worked out what I want with D*. I've got to say, doing the system build on E*'s website seems a lot more straightforward with less hidden costs down the road......and I'm happy with the HD content there too.

What am I missing that would sway me one way or another?


Thanks!

Howard
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I'm hearing in the next month (sometime this month of March) DirecTV will release their add-on ATSC tuner add-on for the HR-21 box which you most likely will get on your install. The model is the AM-21 and is a little box you can place on the top or bottom of your HD DVR box. The box is thin from the top to the bottom and is the same length as the HD DVR itself. You plus this device into the HD DVR boxes USB port. This device also is a dual tuner ATSC tuner like the old all-in-one boxes were "and" also intergrates into the DirecTV program guide just like the older boxes do. I'm hearing the price will be around 50 bucks but I'm also hearing that customers who order service "and" don't have access to HD local channels via satellite could get one for free with their order.

I'm going to be very honest with you and suggest if you can to wait another month. You can also call DirecTV and ask for one of the older boxes with an OTA ATSC tuner or you won't subscribe with them and I bet they will figure out something if they can. DirecTV sure as heck doesn't want to lose a customer over a stupid OTA ATSC tuner that is for sure.

I'm only stressing DirecTV this much because it seems like your more concerned about money that I'd hate to see you spend more money overall and not get as many HD channels while being locked out from switching for two years. This is a big investment because your really talking about at least a $1,000 overall investment because that is what this is. Your looking at paying a company over a grand in money with no way to avoid not paying it for an entire two years. Just spend the time you need and don't rush into "anything" because of say a month of waiting.
charlesrshell
I'm hearing in the next month (sometime this month of March) DirecTV will release their add-on ATSC tuner add-on for the HR-21 box which you most likely will get on your install. The model is the AM-21 and is a little box you can place on the top or bottom of your HD DVR box. The box is thin from the top to the bottom and is the same length as the HD DVR itself. You plus this device into the HD DVR boxes USB port. This device also is a dual tuner ATSC tuner like the old all-in-one boxes were "and" also intergrates into the DirecTV program guide just like the older boxes do. I'm hearing the price will be around 50 bucks but I'm also hearing that customers who order service "and" don't have access to HD local channels via satellite could get one for free with their order.

I'm going to be very honest with you and suggest if you can to wait another month. You can also call DirecTV and ask for one of the older boxes with an OTA ATSC tuner or you won't subscribe with them and I bet they will figure out something if they can. DirecTV sure as heck doesn't want to lose a customer over a stupid OTA ATSC tuner that is for sure.

I'm only stressing DirecTV this much because it seems like your more concerned about money that I'd hate to see you spend more money overall and not get as many HD channels while being locked out from switching for two years. This is a big investment because your really talking about at least a $1,000 overall investment because that is what this is. Your looking at paying a company over a grand in money with no way to avoid not paying it for an entire two years. Just spend the time you need and don't rush into "anything" because of say a month of waiting.

Will you be able to record three channels at the same time with the add on ATSC OTA tuner? The stupid OTA antenna sure comes in handy sometimes when there is thunderstorm signal problems.
Ronnie-
Will you be able to record three channels at the same time with the add on ATSC OTA tuner? The stupid OTA antenna sure comes in handy sometimes when there is thunderstorm signal problems.
No but the two it can record can BOTH be OTA, as opposed to only 1 with the 622 (if I am not mistaken)
charlesrshell
No but the two it can record can BOTH be OTA, as opposed to only 1 with the 622 (if I am not mistaken)

IC, that is kinda neat to be able to do.
Ronnie-
IC, that is kinda neat to be able to do.
Yeah it does come in handy. Now if you get locals via sat, it not as big of a deal, but if the sat goes out it can be VERY useful.
Like I have said many times, both companies have advantages, just depends on what you want
charlesrshell
Yeah it does come in handy. Now if you get locals via sat, it not as big of a deal, but if the sat goes out it can be VERY useful.
Like I have said many times, both companies have advantages, just depends on what you want

That is for sure. It would be cool if the VIP722 had two built in ATSC tuners and you could record four things at one time. It is really sad that all the manufacturers couldn't sit down and work together and build the dream machine that had everything. The 722 is a pretty neat DVR, but it would really be sweet if had the more user friendly features of some of the other DVRs on the market.
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I would look long and hard at the quality of the equipment. I just left D* because they could not give me equipment that was reliable. In the 1 1/2 yrs. I was there I went through 3 HR20's and 2 HR21's. Each and everyone of them went bad after about 90 days use. Also if you have a problem and your receiver needs to be replaced you are commited to a new 2 year commitment. Even though E* has less HD programming I like to have dependable equipment and will stay with E* and wait for the new HD.
Ronnie-
I would look long and hard at the quality of the equipment. I just left D* because they could not give me equipment that was reliable. In the 1 1/2 yrs. I was there I went through 3 HR20's and 2 HR21's. Each and everyone of them went bad after about 90 days use. Also if you have a problem and your receiver needs to be replaced you are commited to a new 2 year commitment. Even though E* has less HD programming I like to have dependable equipment and will stay with E* and wait for the new HD.
I am not trying to discount your problems, but the O.P. can do a search and see that equipment failure is not just a D* problem. I have to HR-20s and had two H-20s and have had zero problems out of any of them. As a matter of fact the HR series has been the most dependable receivers that I have had. My latest E* box is also very reliable. The only problems I have ever had were with some older E* equipment, although I know the newer stuff is much better.
charlesrshell
I would look long and hard at the quality of the equipment. I just left D* because they could not give me equipment that was reliable. In the 1 1/2 yrs. I was there I went through 3 HR20's and 2 HR21's. Each and everyone of them went bad after about 90 days use. Also if you have a problem and your receiver needs to be replaced you are commited to a new 2 year commitment. Even though E* has less HD programming I like to have dependable equipment and will stay with E* and wait for the new HD.

Yep, you just never know how long the equipment will last. But, I am with you too. I think Dish has the better quality stuff and I am not all in to the HD hype going on. I know Dish will catch up.
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Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
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I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
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Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.
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I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
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Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.
harshness
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
MikeD-C05
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
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I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though :clapping
MikeD-C05
Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though :clapping
Say, I don't wear socks or shoes in my house either. But for a captain in Star Fleet it looks bad to be walking around the academy with no shoes. Gives off 1960 Hippie vibes.
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Gives off 1960 Hippie vibes.
You say that like it's a Bad thing or something ... :biggrin
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Well, look at the way she sat in the Captain's Chair. I didn't say the show should have been called "Captain Chair-Whore" for nothing...
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Say, I don't wear socks or shoes in my house either. But for a captain in Star Fleet it looks bad to be walking around the academy with no shoes. Gives off 1960 Hippie vibes.
star trek GIF by HULU


Just sayin...
MikeD-C05
You say that like it's a Bad thing or something ... :biggrin
For a whole generation of adults it was in the 1960s and 1970s.

All In The Family Nostalgia GIF by Sony Pictures Television
All In The Family Singing GIF by Sony Pictures Television
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This went from 0 to 60 in a second.


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Well at least they won't have to be dealing with him again. ;)
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Just finished S2. Watching Gary Oldman as deshvilved, dejected MI-6 agent, Jackson Lamb, is one of the best things streaming right now. Already 2 more seasons in the works. HIGHLY recommended. And yes, Mick Jagger sings the theme.
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Well, the season finale went balls to the wall. Non stop action and several twisted twists. Gary Oldman at his best. Very well written and executed. Tavener owes Jackson big time. Only "if" was Jack Lowden's (River) cliffhanger, especially admin-st the buzz that he is the next James Bond in waiting.
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Planning to start the new season tonight. :)
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I missed somewhere that it was renewed for season 8. That's quite something!
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Another great season.

Sorry to see Flyte go. I also liked the Coe character. Sooner or later someone is going to take Taverner out. I think I will enjoy that.

I read that Lowden (River) was photographed during production of Season 8. Hopefully he will be back for 7 as well.
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Sorry to see Flyte go. I also liked the Coe character.
Hear, hear! Flyte was probably the most competent character in the show. We were also sad to see Coe come up short against the Russian operative.

Still some uncertainty about the last five minutes. The line from Lamb about "faking one's death" gives us something to think about until the next season.
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Now right up front....this is NOT intended to devolve into a "pot is good" vs "pot is bad" thread. The whole point is to make you aware of a potential problem that a person can develop when they start smoking pot at a young age. Not that they WILL, but CAN. Kinda like getting lung cancer from smoking cigs....some do, some don't. The purpose of posting this news story is to keep anyone from paying an outrageous emergency room bill......knowledge is power.
While this may not affect you, you might run into someone who is experiencing these symptoms and can share the info. Fortunately, it looks like stopping smoking is the cure and isn't a permanent condition.

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Didn't see a thread like this so I figured why not start one. This is about natural supplements. If you aren't into supplements, fine, but please let those of us who do want to discuss this discuss it.

The first one I wanted to mention has been a real life changer. I'm 62 and still do all of my own install work at my business....also do all the yard work at the house. A few years ago I started noticing that I was losing my range of movement, it was even getting hard to bend over and lace up my boots. Almost got stuck in an attic because I couldn't get turned around once the work was done. Didn't think much of it and figured with age comes stiffness that was only going to get worse as time went on.
It was then that I stumbled across a video which was discussing rotator cuff tears and why they were to prevalent these days. Turns out, the culprit is a simple deficiency in MANGANESE which is key in keeping your tendons flexible. Most anti-biotics strip your body of any manganese it might have had which is why certain anti-biotics, especially those in the Cipro family. I actually knew a man who had two tendons tear while on that stuff.
Went to Amazon and ordered some manganese. Now it took a while, it wasn't instant, but gradually I have regained all of my flexibility. I can bend over and touch my toes while standing with no pain and putting on my boots is no longer a chore.
Pretty cheap too. The bottle I ordered was a 200 ct for under $13. They said to take double the normal dose for the first month because most people are severely lacking, then go to one a day.
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Didn't see a thread like this so I figured why not start one. This is about natural supplements. If you aren't into supplements, fine, but please let those of us who do want to discuss this discuss it.

The first one I wanted to mention has been a real life changer. I'm 62 and still do all of my own install work at my business....also do all the yard work at the house. A few years ago I started noticing that I was losing my range of movement, it was even getting hard to bend over and lace up my boots. Almost got stuck in an attic because I couldn't get turned around once the work was done. Didn't think much of it and figured with age comes stiffness that was only going to get worse as time went on.
It was then that I stumbled across a video which was discussing rotator cuff tears and why they were to prevalent these days. Turns out, the culprit is a simple deficiency in MANGANESE which is key in keeping your tendons flexible. Most anti-biotics strip your body of any manganese it might have had which is why certain anti-biotics, especially those in the Cipro family. I actually knew a man who had two tendons tear while on that stuff.
Went to Amazon and ordered some manganese. Now it took a while, it wasn't instant, but gradually I have regained all of my flexibility. I can bend over and touch my toes while standing with no pain and putting on my boots is no longer a chore.
Pretty cheap too. The bottle I ordered was a 200 ct for under $13. They said to take double the normal dose for the first month because most people are severely lacking, then go to one a day.
Chia Seeds
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Chia Seeds
Kinda the whole idea is to mention something and explain WHY it is something we might want to add to our daily routine.
This is what I got from google. Looks like I'm going to be adding them, thanks

Key Health Benefits
    • Digestive Health: One ounce (28 grams) of chia seeds provides nearly 10 grams of fiber, which promotes regular bowel movements, feeds beneficial gut bacteria, and helps prevent constipation. [1, 2]
    • Heart and Cardiovascular Support: Rich in alpha-linolenic acid (ALA)—an essential plant-based omega-3 fatty acid—chia seeds can help lower blood pressure, reduce triglycerides, and improve cholesterol profiles. [1, 2, 3]
    • Blood Sugar Regulation: The combination of soluble fiber and protein slows down carbohydrate digestion, preventing sharp blood sugar spikes after meals. [1, 2]
    • Weight Management: When soaked in liquid, chia seeds absorb up to 10 to 12 times their weight in water. The resulting gel expands in the stomach, increasing feelings of fullness and curbing appetite. [1, 2, 3]
    • Bone Strength: They contain high levels of calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus, which are vital for maintaining bone density. [1, 2, 3]
    • Antioxidant Protection: Compounds like chlorogenic acid and caffeic acid help fight cellular damage from free radicals and reduce chronic inflammation. [1, 2, 3]
(((Garyd)))
Kinda the whole idea is to mention something and explain WHY it is something we might want to add to our daily routine.
This is what I got from google. Looks like I'm going to be adding them, thanks

Key Health Benefits
    • Digestive Health: One ounce (28 grams) of chia seeds provides nearly 10 grams of fiber, which promotes regular bowel movements, feeds beneficial gut bacteria, and helps prevent constipation. [1, 2]
    • Heart and Cardiovascular Support: Rich in alpha-linolenic acid (ALA)—an essential plant-based omega-3 fatty acid—chia seeds can help lower blood pressure, reduce triglycerides, and improve cholesterol profiles. [1, 2, 3]
    • Blood Sugar Regulation: The combination of soluble fiber and protein slows down carbohydrate digestion, preventing sharp blood sugar spikes after meals. [1, 2]
    • Weight Management: When soaked in liquid, chia seeds absorb up to 10 to 12 times their weight in water. The resulting gel expands in the stomach, increasing feelings of fullness and curbing appetite. [1, 2, 3]
    • Bone Strength: They contain high levels of calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus, which are vital for maintaining bone density. [1, 2, 3]
    • Antioxidant Protection: Compounds like chlorogenic acid and caffeic acid help fight cellular damage from free radicals and reduce chronic inflammation. [1, 2, 3]
Andy it builds your bones if I had used it in my food all my life I would not have the joint issues I have there is 3 types of calcium only the one from real foods build better bones


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if I had used it in my food all my life I would not have the joint issues
I have taken this stuff for years to help my joints. Over 20 yrs ago my shoulder sounded like it had gravel in it when I rotated it. Started taking this and after a few months I had my range of motion back. I mentioned this product to a doctor and told him the results I had and he totally blew it off....said it was just a coincidence. This has no shellfish like most joint supplements.

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I have taken this stuff for years to help my joints. Over 20 yrs ago my shoulder sounded like it had gravel in it when I rotated it. Started taking this and after a few months I had my range of motion back. I mentioned this product to a doctor and told him the results I had and he totally blew it off....said it was just a coincidence. This has no shellfish like most joint supplements.

IT FIXED my wife's shoulder and knee pain, I only wish I took it before I got into Sat in 83, that beat my body up, I'm still here I turn 85 on the 31th
R
I have taken this stuff for years to help my joints. Over 20 yrs ago my shoulder sounded like it had gravel in it when I rotated it. Started taking this and after a few months I had my range of motion back. I mentioned this product to a doctor and told him the results I had and he totally blew it off....said it was just a coincidence. This has no shellfish like most joint supplements.


This would be good for me being I am allergic to shellfish. I have arthritis bad in my right sholder.
dishstaller
This would be good for me being I am allergic to shellfish. I have arthritis bad in my right sholder.
I have tried the pill form and this liquid form and found the liquid to be far superior. It wasn't immediate, my joints slowly improved over time.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Bad To The Bone - George Thorogood & The Destroyers
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BAD Is BAD-Huey Lewis And The News
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This Diamond Ring - Gary Lewis And The Playboys
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Gondoliers, Shakespeares, Overseers, Playboys and Bums - Norman Greenbaum
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I Wish I Was Eighteen Again - George Burns
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Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
ncted
Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?
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Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?
yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
(((Garyd)))
yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.
Jimbo
The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.
The weak point would be the connection between the outdoor feed and the indoor feed.
Jimbo
yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
Copper lines are fine ... until it hits the AIR.
Bruce
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
They have been losing broadband subscribers for about 4 years now.

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The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.
I agree, even it fails the isp will come and install another one
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
I use to watch that with my Dad back in the (60's ?) was that the 60's ?
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I use to watch that with my Dad back in the (60's ?) was that the 60's ?
Mid 60's. I watched it too.
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TRG
I loved all the Irwin Allen productions.
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
When?
Foxbat
Mid 60's. I watched it too.
I had built models of the Seaview and the Flying Sub as a kid.
KAB
KAB
I loved all the Irwin Allen productions.
I thought Voyage was decent (for the first two seasons). The rest, not so much. All other shows were pretty lame, IMO. Especially Land of the Giants.
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
Barbara Even, LOL (cast of original film from article).
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Don't know if any of you have watched this series yet, it would be interesting to see if you feel this review was accurate. It was very humorous to listen to however.


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What a "pile of slop" review! I liked the show.