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Cablevision says the outlook for its Voom service is crystal clear. But in the rapidly evolving satellite TV market, the reception has been considerably more fuzzy.
By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff | August 22, 2004

As the owner of a 64-inch high-definition television set, Stephen Ferreira of Billerica got excited when a new satellite network called Voom started up last year, offering nearly three dozen channels of high-definition shows and movies.

All Voom needs now is about 2 million more people like Ferreira -- and fast. Nine months after Cablevision Systems Corp., the Long Island cable TV company, launched Voom at a cost of over $600 million, the service has attracted only 25,000 subscribers nationwide.

With Voom accounting for less than 1 percent of Cablevision's revenues but nearly half its most recent quarterly loss, and threatening to gobble up another $500 million this year, many Wall Street analysts have been bluntly urging Cablevision to pull the plug on the would-be third satellite TV provider.

Not that Ferreira and other fans of crystal-clear, super-sized television aren't enjoying the show. "I love being able to enjoy a breadth of high-definition content," said Ferreira, a 54-year-old regional sales executive for consumer electronics maker Pioneer North America Inc., who raves about watching HD-format Lyle Lovett and Sheryl Crow concerts and movies in wide-screen format.

Ferreira already had a DirecTV satellite dish. But once Voom cut its installation prices this spring by more than 70 percent to $200, he was happy to pay another $50 a month for a Voom dish to get access to much more HD content.

"Once you have a high-definition TV, your first inclination when you sit down is, let me see what's on the high-definition channel," Ferreira said. "If you have to settle back to standard broadcasts, it's a big letdown."

With the price for a decent high-definition TV set dropping below $1,000 from $5,000 or more just two years ago, industry forecasters predict the number of US households with HD-capable sets will soar to as many as 40 million by 2007 from 9 million today.

National networks, pushed by federal regulators to convert to a broadcasting format that supports HDTV, are also offering more prime-time content in high-definition format, as are cable movie and sports channels. But for some demanding couch potatoes, it's far from enough.

Cablevision's wager with Voom is that there are enough people clamoring for more HD content to support a third satellite TV provider alongside DirecTV Group Inc. and EchoStar Communications Corp.'s Dish Network, not to mention cable TV companies like Comcast Corp. and RCN Corp. that have begun rolling out high-definition channels.

According to market analyst Bruce Leichtman of Leichtman Research Group Inc. in Durham, N.H., 9 million HD-capable sets have been sold in the United States, but fewer than 3 million are connected to cable or satellite HD channels. Only about 1.3 million have special antennas to pull in over-the-air HD programming from the three national networks and PBS. The rest are just being used to give a better rendition of standard digital channels or for playing digital video discs (DVDs). Continued...

the rest here
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2004/08/22/hdtv_gets_a_new_player?pg=2
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squicken
Coelacanth said:
"9 million HD-capable sets have been sold in the United States, but fewer than 3 million are connected to cable or satellite HD channels."

Voom needs to find these people.
My brother is one of these people. He just watches OTA-HD in Houston b/c he works so much. The guy who bought my old set just watches OTA analog and DVDs. I tell them both they're idiots, but they seem happy. It amazes me that people w/ HDTVs don't use it to its fullest extent.
Bruce
"With the price for a decent high-definition TV set dropping below $1,000 from $5,000 or more just two years ago, industry forecasters predict the number of US households with HD-capable sets will soar to as many as 40 million by 2007 from 9 million today."

I hate that when they write about the TV set prices without any research(TV set dropping below $1,000 from $5,000 or more just two years ago) I bought my 50" Toshiba HD set 3.5 years ago for $2200.00 new at ABC Warehouse and my 40" 4.5 years ago for about the same price,HD sets have been affordable for a while now.
rkr0923
Just because something is in HD doesn't make it worth watching
LOBO2999
Here is what I was wondering about in the 2nd part of the article, Do all investors feel this way?
Richard Greenfield, a managing partner with New York investment firm Fulcrum Global Partners, raised eyebrows last year when he expressed a hope the Voom TV satellite would implode on takeoff so Cablevision wouldn't waste any more money on the project. Last week Greenfield summed up his current view this way: "Pull the plug tomorrow. Shut it down. Sell off the satellite for whatever you can get
Bruce
page 2 of the story:

Page 2 of 2 -- To supplement existing HD offerings from such networks as Bravo, Discovery, and ESPN, Voom has created 21 of its own proprietary, commercial-free all-HD channels. Several of them, however, run the same programs in a loop, feature mainly 1990s movies zinged up to a near-high-definition quality, or offer niche programming like fashion shows, art gallery tours, and vintage-automobile auctions.

Citing securities law "quiet period" requirements because of a pending stock spinoff of the Cablevision Rainbow Media unit that includes Voom, company officials declined requests for interviews this month. Cablevision chairman Charles Dolan, said to be one of the leading proponents of Voom inside Cablevision, brushed off critics in a recent interview with Cable and Broadcasting magazine, saying, "If it's new, you're going to have skeptics."

The big questions are whether there are enough high-definition TV addicts out there to make Voom succeed -- and whether Voom is a compelling alternative to rivals.

"They're starting in a horse race 50 lengths behind the lead horse," said analyst Leichtman. Voom has 1/1,000th the combined customer base of satellite rivals DirecTV and Dish. Voom's 25,000 customers across the country are fewer than the 26,274 subscribers Comcast counts in the city of Cambridge.

In New England, Comcast charges just $2 extra per month locally on any cable plan for a set-top box that can bring in seven or eight standard-package high-definition channels and another half-dozen premium services such as HBO and Starz that include high-definition programming. On top of that, Comcast is the sole source for most high-definition Bruins and Red Sox game broadcasts.

"For most people, you're getting 90 percent of what you'd want to watch from Comcast at a fraction of the price," said Jeffrey Bray, an analyst with the Babson Capital Management money-management firm in Cambridge.

Moreover, customers who sign up for Voom have been dumping the service at a rate of over 20 percent per year. Many -- including Ferreira -- had to get new receiver boxes installed this year after the first generation of equipment proved to be prone to freeze-ups and other glitches.

Some viewers and analysts call the Voom-specific channels somewhere short of ready for prime time.

"With Voom, they're all channels that nobody's ever heard of before, that were created just for this venue," said Josh Bernoff, a media analyst with Forrester Research. "It's just a huge gamble for consumers."

Richard Greenfield, a managing partner with New York investment firm Fulcrum Global Partners, raised eyebrows last year when he expressed a hope the Voom TV satellite would implode on takeoff so Cablevision wouldn't waste any more money on the project. Last week Greenfield summed up his current view this way: "Pull the plug tomorrow. Shut it down. Sell off the satellite for whatever you can get."

Voom's satellite rivals aren't sitting back, however. DirecTV plans to begin offering high-definition version of Bravo next month, as well as feeds of some local NBC stations that broadcast in HD. Between its own "Sunday Ticket" and National Football League broadcasts on ESPN, DirecTV will offer about 165 of this year's NFL games in high-definition format, spokesman Bob Marsocci said.

Dish offers an entry-level package of five high-definition channels with access to several premium HD networks. This year, it began selling a $999 package that includes a 40-inch HD TV set, the receiver, and installation.

Dish also sells a TiVo-style recorder that can store up to 25 hours of HD-format programming or 180 hours of standard-definition programming, spokesman Gregg Stucker said.

Peter J. Howe can be reached at howe@globe.com.

© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.
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Hmmm, Apple iCloud appears to be missing from the Internet. Attempting to connect yields:
1794355836427.webp
Plus, lots of prompts to enter my iCloud credentials.
1794356039809.webp
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I was reading this article


That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.


Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
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According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Bruce
That thier own stupidity ...

They make it hard to find the game when its on FOX 1 game, then FS1, then on Tru or some other little ity biyy channel that people rerely watch and can't find. (I don't know if FOX is TRU or not, but thats what I'm saying, they put games on obscure channels and expect people to easily find it and watch.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
AZ.
AZ.
Every WS game was on the main Fox Broadcast Channel, what are you referring to?
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need a old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
Bruce
Throughout the playoffs most games were not over the air. They were on FS1 or TrueTV, HBO, TBS....So without a sports package you need FS1, and the others you need an old school TV package. If I had to guess, close to 75% of playoff games were not on free local TV.
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Bobby
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
AZ.
AZ.
Last year it was the Dodgers and Bluejays. This year is was the Brewers and the Rays, two teams that never won a World Series. Last year the Dodgers were the former year champion, can they do a repeat against a Toronto team that looked unbeatable. That World Series was a classic between two teams that really wanted it. The highlight of this year was can Milwaukee go 4-0 like they did to the Dodgers, and they just about did.
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
TRG
TRG
According to industry figures reported by Sports Media Watch, this year's World Series averaged 11.69 million viewers on FOX, down 26% from the 15.71 million average the 2025 series delivered.

People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Bruce
Yep ratings have lots to do with what teams are playing. Large market over smaller. Underdog teams people want to root for. But If you make it hard to watch all the playoffs, you will get less interest for the World Series.
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Jimbo
People are tired of watching the World Series without the Yankees. :devilish :biggrin
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
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Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
Jimbo
Except last year, the playoffs were aired on the same channels as this year.
True, but you had 2 Large Markets in it .
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Quick Question, WITHOUT Looking it up ...
Who played in the World Series last year ?
Two MLB teams.
Jimbo
Two MLB teams.
Now, having low numbers this past year doesn't surprise me at all, you had 2 teams that don't like to spend tons of money and they are not your Large markets.
TRG
TRG
Not Me, I rather enjoy it ...
I thought you might like that. :biggrin
Jimbo
But I never posted about the playoffs, only the World Series.

And a 4 million drop in households is a big deal, specially what Fox pays for it, they are already losing money on the MLB contract, now even more, since they might have to give some of the money back to advertisers, since it might of not made certain ratings goals.
I guess they should figure that out ... maybe not offer as much if they can't afford it next time.
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Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
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Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…
HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.
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NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.
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Congratulations to the youngest Formula 1 World Champion, 20-year old Kimi Antonelli! The podium at the Mexican Grand Prix featured three World Champions with 4-time World Champion Max Verstappen, 7-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton, and newly-crowned World Champion Kimi Antonelli. A dozen World Championships represented!
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Don't Look Back - Boston
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Please Come to Boston - Dave Loggins
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Come A Little Bit Closer - Jay and the Americans
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Closer to You - Brandi Carlile
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(They Long To Be) Close To You -The Carpenters
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Well, ATSC 3 is a flop
TRG
TRG
So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
b4pjoe
So in other words, corporate greed is more important than public safety. :mad:
At least for a couple more years
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