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120inna55

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Last reply Apr 29, 2008 · posted in Computers and Gadgets

CD writing problem

Recently my desktop PC's HDD died, so I had another PC built using the same tower (new mobo/processor, new HDD, new DVDRW) Kept old DVD-ROM.

Previously I copied discs (CD's only--data and cda). It was only a CDRW (not DVD RW). The CDs I used for copying were CD-R's, but I have no idea as to the 'speed' rating of the discs. They are Sony's and they just say CD-R, 80min (I believe) They're on a spindle and the label's gone.

The new system has the following: Lite-On (model: LH-20A1S) sATA: Lite-On IT Corporation Global - LH-20A1S: Features : Features

The source DVD-ROM drive is an older Samsung 16E SD-616F.

Whenever I attempt to copy any music CD (I've randomly chosen about 4 different discs ranging from old to new). The progress gets to about 25%, then Nero says it failed. Specifically it says "disc read error."

So I tried ripping MP3's and then burning via Windows xP. The MP3's ripped fine, but again, Windows error'ed after about 25% progress.

Burning a small amount of data seems to do OK via Windows. But if I try to burn more than say 1/2 the capacity of the disc, I get an error.

The shop that built the PC for me humored me and allowed me to swap out the Lite-On burner. Still the same problem persists.

I tried making Nero burn at 12x, but I got the same problem (I couldn't find an option to make Nero burn any slower, but I admittedly didn't look very hard).

Since I've tried burning things directly from another disc, burning directly from my HDD, used Nero, used Windows---I've come to the conclusion that it must be the blank media. Is my logic sound?

Could it be that the reason I didn't have a problem previously is because the older drive was slow, relatively speaking, and thus the discs were compatible? I've probably had the spindle of CD-R's for a year.

This stuff is really foreign to me, so I really need some guidance here. I guess I'll go buy some more blank CD-R's, but I really don't know what to buy.

Thanks for any advice you may have.

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8bitbytes

Apr 29, 2008

Possibly, but most CD blanks burn fairly reliably these days. If it was DVD blanks, I would say yes.

DVD burners do not always make good cd burners.

120inna55

Apr 29, 2008

Hmmm...that's discouraging.

I guess I'll try buying different blank CD-R's.

If it persists, I'll take it back in.

charper1

Apr 29, 2008

What error correction and drive speeds are you attempting?

120inna55

Apr 29, 2008

Bought some new CD-R's and still having the same problem. The problem persists whether I write from an image off the HDD or directly from the DVD-ROM.

Slowing it down to 16x made no difference.

Here's the error log:

Code:

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 11/2/2004 12:54:32 PM 

NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 7.5.13.1
Internal Version: 7, 5, 13, 1
 (Nero Express)
Recorder:             <LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S>  Version: 9L08 - HA 1 TA 0 - 7.5.13.1
 Adapter driver:      <IDE>                     HA 1
 Drive buffer  :      2048kB
 Bus Type      :      via Inquiry data (1) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
 Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 1
 Drive is autodetected - recorder class: Std. MMC recorder
CD-ROM:               <SAMSUNG  DVD-ROM SD-616F >Version: F100 - HA 1 TA 1 - 7.5.13.1
 Adapter driver:      <IDE>                     HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral       : WDC WD1600AAJS-00B4A0            atapi Port 0 ID 0  DMA: On 
CdRomPeripheral      : LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S           atapi Port 1 ID 1  DMA: On 
CdRomPeripheral      : SAMSUNG DVD-ROM SD-616F          atapi Port 3 ID 0  DMA: On 
DiskPeripheral       : IOMEGA ZIP 100                   atapi Port 3 ID 1  DMA: Off

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S     D:   CDRom0
SAMSUNG DVD-ROM SD-616F    F:   CDRom1
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs: 
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
BUFE           : 0
Physical memory     : 1022MB (1046956kB)
Free physical memory: 665MB (681116kB)
Memory in use       : 34 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry    : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0) 

29.4.2008
===== Disc-Copy over image - 1st step : Copy to image  ...

6:02:54 PM	#1 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 411
	LockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL
	
6:02:55 PM	#2 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 209
	SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FCTL_LOCK_VOLUME
	
6:02:55 PM	#3 Phase 48 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1760
	Analyzing disc
	
6:02:55 PM	#4 CDCOPY -1 File CDCopy.cpp, Line 1916
	The CD is copyrighted
	
6:02:55 PM	#5 Text 0 File CDCopy.cpp, Line 2132
	          _Index0_ _______Index1_______ PostPause   ___LastBlockOfTrack_
	Track  1:        0        0 (  0:02.00)     17847      17846 (  3:59.71)
	Track  2:    17847    17847 (  3:59.72)     30762      30761 (  6:52.11)
	Track  3:    30762    30762 (  6:52.12)     51212      51211 ( 11:24.61)
	Track  4:    51212    51212 ( 11:24.62)     66577      66576 ( 14:49.51)
	Track  5:    66577    66577 ( 14:49.52)     84575      84574 ( 18:49.49)
	Track  6:    84575    84575 ( 18:49.50)    104622     104621 ( 23:16.71)
	Track  7:   104622   104622 ( 23:16.72)    119222     119221 ( 26:31.46)
	Track  8:   119222   119222 ( 26:31.47)    138730     138729 ( 30:51.54)
	Track  9:   138730   138730 ( 30:51.55)    152512     152511 ( 33:55.36)
	Track 10:   152512   152512 ( 33:55.37)    166102     166101 ( 36:56.51)
	Track 11:   166102   166102 ( 36:56.52)    183717     183716 ( 40:51.41)
	Track 12:   183717   183717 ( 40:51.42)    196287     196286 ( 43:39.11)
	
6:02:55 PM	#6 Text 0 File CDCopy.cpp, Line 840
	Copy options:	copy on-the-fly:  ON
		read ISRC/MCN: OFF
		use jitter correction: OFF
		data options
			ignore read error:  ON   write defekt blocks OFF
			read raw data: OFF   read r-w subchannel data: OFF
		audio options
			ignore read error:  ON
			read indexes: OFF    read r-w subchannel data: OFF
	source disc does not look like CD Extra
	01.      0 -  17847 =  17847, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	02.  17847 -  30762 =  12915, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	03.  30762 -  51212 =  20450, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	04.  51212 -  66577 =  15365, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	05.  66577 -  84575 =  17998, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	06.  84575 - 104622 =  20047, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	07. 104622 - 119222 =  14600, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	08. 119222 - 138730 =  19508, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	09. 138730 - 152512 =  13782, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	10. 152512 - 166102 =  13590, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	11. 166102 - 183717 =  17615, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	12. 183717 - 196287 =  12570, audio (TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, block size 2352)
	
6:03:03 PM	#7 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3467
	Turn on Disc-At-Once, using CD-R/RW media
	
6:03:03 PM	#8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 306
	Last possible write address on media:   445499 ( 99:01.74)
	Last address to be written:             196286 ( 43:39.11)
	
6:03:03 PM	#9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 318
	Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
	
6:03:03 PM	#10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 490
	>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
	=========================================
	
6:03:03 PM	#11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 792
	Setup items (after recorder preparation)
	 0: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (1 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
	    original disc pos #0 + 17847 (17847) = #17847/3:57.72
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 17847 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 1: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (2 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) provided
	    original disc pos #17847 + 12915 (12915) = #30762/6:50.12
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 12915 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 2: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (3 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) provided
	    original disc pos #30762 + 20450 (20450) = #51212/11:22.62
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 20450 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 3: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (4 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) provided
	    original disc pos #51212 + 15365 (15365) = #66577/14:47.52
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 15365 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 4: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (5 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) provided
	    original disc pos #66577 + 17998 (17998) = #84575/18:47.50
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 17998 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 5: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (6 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) provided
	    original disc pos #84575 + 20047 (20047) = #104622/23:14.72
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 20047 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 6: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (7 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) provided
	    original disc pos #104622 + 14600 (14600) = #119222/26:29.47
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 14600 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 7: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (8 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) provided
	    original disc pos #119222 + 19508 (19508) = #138730/30:49.55
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 19508 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 8: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (9 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) provided
	    original disc pos #138730 + 13782 (13782) = #152512/33:53.37
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 13782 blocks [Image Recorder]
	 9: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (10 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) provided
	    original disc pos #152512 + 13590 (13590) = #166102/36:54.52
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 13590 blocks [Image Recorder]
	10: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (11 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) provided
	    original disc pos #166102 + 17615 (17615) = #183717/40:49.42
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 17615 blocks [Image Recorder]
	11: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (12 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) provided
	    original disc pos #183717 + 12570 (12570) = #196287/43:37.12
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 12570 blocks [Image Recorder]
	--------------------------------------------------------------
	
6:03:03 PM	#12 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 995
	Prepare [Image Recorder] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
	DAO infos:
	==========
	 MCN: ""
	 TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
	 Tracks 1 to 12:                                  Idx 0         Idx 1      Next Trk
	   1: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos             0        352800      42328944, ISRC ""
	   2: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos      42328944      42328944      72705024, ISRC ""
	   3: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos      72705024      72705024     120803424, ISRC ""
	   4: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     120803424     120803424     156941904, ISRC ""
	   5: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     156941904     156941904     199273200, ISRC ""
	   6: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     199273200     199273200     246423744, ISRC ""
	   7: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     246423744     246423744     280762944, ISRC ""
	   8: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     280762944     280762944     326645760, ISRC ""
	   9: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     326645760     326645760     359061024, ISRC ""
	  10: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     359061024     359061024     391024704, ISRC ""
	  11: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     391024704     391024704     432455184, ISRC ""
	  12: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     432455184     432455184     462019824, ISRC ""
	DAO layout:
	===========
	 ___Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_____Size_|______NWA_|_RecDep__________
	     -150 |  lead-in |   0 |    0x01 |        0 |        0 | 0x00
	     -150 |        1 |   0 |    0x01 |    17847 |    17697 | 0x00
	        0 |        1 |   1 |    0x01 |    17847 |    17847 | 0x00
	    17847 |        2 |   0 |    0x01 |    12915 |    30762 | 0x00
	    17847 |        2 |   1 |    0x01 |    12915 |    30762 | 0x00
	    30762 |        3 |   0 |    0x01 |    20450 |    51212 | 0x00
	    30762 |        3 |   1 |    0x01 |    20450 |    51212 | 0x00
	    51212 |        4 |   0 |    0x01 |    15365 |    66577 | 0x00
	    51212 |        4 |   1 |    0x01 |    15365 |    66577 | 0x00
	    66577 |        5 |   0 |    0x01 |    17998 |    84575 | 0x00
	    66577 |        5 |   1 |    0x01 |    17998 |    84575 | 0x00
	    84575 |        6 |   0 |    0x01 |    20047 |   104622 | 0x00
	    84575 |        6 |   1 |    0x01 |    20047 |   104622 | 0x00
	   104622 |        7 |   0 |    0x01 |    14600 |   119222 | 0x00
	   104622 |        7 |   1 |    0x01 |    14600 |   119222 | 0x00
	   119222 |        8 |   0 |    0x01 |    19508 |   138730 | 0x00
	   119222 |        8 |   1 |    0x01 |    19508 |   138730 | 0x00
	   138730 |        9 |   0 |    0x01 |    13782 |   152512 | 0x00
	   138730 |        9 |   1 |    0x01 |    13782 |   152512 | 0x00
	   152512 |       10 |   0 |    0x01 |    13590 |   166102 | 0x00
	   152512 |       10 |   1 |    0x01 |    13590 |   166102 | 0x00
	   166102 |       11 |   0 |    0x01 |    17615 |   183717 | 0x00
	   166102 |       11 |   1 |    0x01 |    17615 |   183717 | 0x00
	   183717 |       12 |   0 |    0x01 |    12570 |   196287 | 0x00
	   183717 |       12 |   1 |    0x01 |    12570 |   196287 | 0x00
	   196287 | lead-out |   1 |    0x01 |        0 |        0 | 0x00
	
6:03:03 PM	#13 Phase 120 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1760
	Creating the image for burning
	
6:03:03 PM	#14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
	
6:03:03 PM	#15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 1 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #17847): write at #17847
	
6:03:03 PM	#16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 2 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #30762): write at #30762
	
6:03:03 PM	#17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 3 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #51212): write at #51212
	
6:03:03 PM	#18 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 4 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #66577): write at #66577
	
6:03:03 PM	#19 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 5 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #84575): write at #84575
	
6:03:03 PM	#20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 6 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #104622): write at #104622
	
6:03:03 PM	#21 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 7 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #119222): write at #119222
	
6:03:03 PM	#22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 8 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #138730): write at #138730
	
6:03:03 PM	#23 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 9 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #152512): write at #152512
	
6:03:03 PM	#24 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 10 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #166102): write at #166102
	
6:03:03 PM	#25 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 11 (relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #183717): write at #183717
	
6:06:08 PM	#26 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 113
	<Image Recorder> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 196287 (2FEBFh), length 0 blocks
	
6:06:08 PM	#27 Phase 121 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1760
	Creating Image completed successfully
	
6:06:09 PM	#28 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 254
	SPTIDismountVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_DISMOUNT_VOLUME
	
6:06:13 PM	#29 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 411
	UnLockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL
	
6:06:13 PM	#30 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10538
	DriveLocker: UnLockVolume completed
	


===== Disc-Copy over image - 2nd step : Burn the image ...

6:06:14 PM	#1 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 411
	LockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL
	
6:06:14 PM	#2 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3156
	LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S
	SMART-BURN activated
	
6:06:14 PM	#3 IMAGEGEN -10 File ImageGen.cpp, Line 366
	Image was written as DAO.
	DAOI:
	 MediaCatalogNumber = ''
	 TocType = 0x00
	 Finalized =  1
	 First/Last Track =  1 / 12
	  1: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 0, Index1FilePos = 352800, NextTrackFilePos = 42328944
	  2: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 42328944, Index1FilePos = 42328944, NextTrackFilePos = 72705024
	  3: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 72705024, Index1FilePos = 72705024, NextTrackFilePos = 120803424
	  4: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 120803424, Index1FilePos = 120803424, NextTrackFilePos = 156941904
	  5: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 156941904, Index1FilePos = 156941904, NextTrackFilePos = 199273200
	  6: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 199273200, Index1FilePos = 199273200, NextTrackFilePos = 246423744
	  7: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 246423744, Index1FilePos = 246423744, NextTrackFilePos = 280762944
	  8: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 280762944, Index1FilePos = 280762944, NextTrackFilePos = 326645760
	  9: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 326645760, Index1FilePos = 326645760, NextTrackFilePos = 359061024
	 10: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 359061024, Index1FilePos = 359061024, NextTrackFilePos = 391024704
	 11: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 391024704, Index1FilePos = 391024704, NextTrackFilePos = 432455184
	 12: ISRC = ''
	     Blocksize = 2352
	     TrackMode = 'TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE'
	     TrackConfig = 0x00
	     First/Last Index =  0 /  1
	     Index0FilePos = 432455184, Index1FilePos = 432455184, NextTrackFilePos = 462019824
	CUES:
	   0: Ctrl=0x01 Trk=  0 (0x00) Index=00 Start=954437:08.46 (     -150) RecDep=0x00
	   1: Ctrl=0x00 Trk=  1 (0x01) Index=04 Start=3801:08.52 ( 17105152) RecDep=0x11 [empty/reserved]
	MTYP: Mediumtype =  CD (old format) (0x1)
	Image file name: <C:\Documents and Settings\Hilton\My Documents\TempImage.nrg>
	
6:06:14 PM	#4 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3467
	Turn on Disc-At-Once, using CD-R/RW media
	
6:06:14 PM	#5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 306
	Last possible write address on media:   359845 ( 79:59.70)
	Last address to be written:             196286 ( 43:39.11)
	
6:06:14 PM	#6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 318
	Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)
	
6:06:15 PM	#7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2929
	Recorder: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S;
	   CDR code: 00 97 32 19; OSJ entry from: Prodisc Technology Inc.
	   ATIP Data:
	     Special    Info [hex] 1: E0 00 B0, 2: 61 20 13 (LI 97:32.19), 3: 4F 3B 47 (LO 79:59.71)
	     Additional Info [hex] 1: 00 00 80 (invalid), 2: 00 80 00 (invalid), 3: 00 80 80 (invalid)
	
6:06:15 PM	#8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 490
	>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
	=========================================
	
6:06:15 PM	#9 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 792
	Setup items (after recorder preparation)
	 0: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (1 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (150) provided
	    original disc pos #0 + 17847 (17847) = #17847/3:57.72
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 17847 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	 1: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (2 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
	    original disc pos #17847 + 12915 (12915) = #30762/6:50.12
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 12915 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	 2: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (3 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
	    original disc pos #30762 + 20450 (20450) = #51212/11:22.62
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 20450 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	 3: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (4 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
	    original disc pos #51212 + 15365 (15365) = #66577/14:47.52
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 15365 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	 4: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (5 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
	    original disc pos #66577 + 17998 (17998) = #84575/18:47.50
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 17998 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	 5: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (6 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
	    original disc pos #84575 + 20047 (20047) = #104622/23:14.72
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 20047 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	 6: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (7 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
	    original disc pos #104622 + 14600 (14600) = #119222/26:29.47
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 14600 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	 7: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (8 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
	    original disc pos #119222 + 19508 (19508) = #138730/30:49.55
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 19508 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	 8: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (9 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
	    original disc pos #138730 + 13782 (13782) = #152512/33:53.37
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 13782 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	 9: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (10 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
	    original disc pos #152512 + 13590 (13590) = #166102/36:54.52
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 13590 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	10: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (11 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
	    original disc pos #166102 + 17615 (17615) = #183717/40:49.42
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 17615 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	11: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE (12 - Audio)
	    2 indices, index0 (0) not provided
	    original disc pos #183717 + 12570 (12570) = #196287/43:37.12
	    relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
	    -> TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 12570 blocks [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S]
	--------------------------------------------------------------
	
6:06:15 PM	#10 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 995
	Prepare [D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
	DAO infos:
	==========
	 MCN: ""
	 TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
	 Tracks 1 to 12:                                  Idx 0         Idx 1      Next Trk
	   1: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos             0        352800      42328944, ISRC ""
	   2: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos      42328944      42328944      72705024, ISRC ""
	   3: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos      72705024      72705024     120803424, ISRC ""
	   4: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     120803424     120803424     156941904, ISRC ""
	   5: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     156941904     156941904     199273200, ISRC ""
	   6: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     199273200     199273200     246423744, ISRC ""
	   7: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     246423744     246423744     280762944, ISRC ""
	   8: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     280762944     280762944     326645760, ISRC ""
	   9: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     326645760     326645760     359061024, ISRC ""
	  10: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     359061024     359061024     391024704, ISRC ""
	  11: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     391024704     391024704     432455184, ISRC ""
	  12: TRM_AUDIO_NOPRE, 2352/0x00, FilePos     432455184     432455184     462019824, ISRC ""
	DAO layout:
	===========
	 ___Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_____Size_|______NWA_|_RecDep__________
	     -150 |  lead-in |   0 |    0x01 |        0 |        0 | 0x00
	     -150 |        1 |   0 |    0x01 |    17847 |     -150 | 0x00
	        0 |        1 |   1 |    0x01 |    17847 |        0 | 0x00
	    17847 |        2 |   0 |    0x01 |    12915 |    17847 | 0x00
	    17847 |        2 |   1 |    0x01 |    12915 |    17847 | 0x00
	    30762 |        3 |   0 |    0x01 |    20450 |    30762 | 0x00
	    30762 |        3 |   1 |    0x01 |    20450 |    30762 | 0x00
	    51212 |        4 |   0 |    0x01 |    15365 |    51212 | 0x00
	    51212 |        4 |   1 |    0x01 |    15365 |    51212 | 0x00
	    66577 |        5 |   0 |    0x01 |    17998 |    66577 | 0x00
	    66577 |        5 |   1 |    0x01 |    17998 |    66577 | 0x00
	    84575 |        6 |   0 |    0x01 |    20047 |    84575 | 0x00
	    84575 |        6 |   1 |    0x01 |    20047 |    84575 | 0x00
	   104622 |        7 |   0 |    0x01 |    14600 |   104622 | 0x00
	   104622 |        7 |   1 |    0x01 |    14600 |   104622 | 0x00
	   119222 |        8 |   0 |    0x01 |    19508 |   119222 | 0x00
	   119222 |        8 |   1 |    0x01 |    19508 |   119222 | 0x00
	   138730 |        9 |   0 |    0x01 |    13782 |   138730 | 0x00
	   138730 |        9 |   1 |    0x01 |    13782 |   138730 | 0x00
	   152512 |       10 |   0 |    0x01 |    13590 |   152512 | 0x00
	   152512 |       10 |   1 |    0x01 |    13590 |   152512 | 0x00
	   166102 |       11 |   0 |    0x01 |    17615 |   166102 | 0x00
	   166102 |       11 |   1 |    0x01 |    17615 |   166102 | 0x00
	   183717 |       12 |   0 |    0x01 |    12570 |   183717 | 0x00
	   183717 |       12 |   1 |    0x01 |    12570 |   183717 | 0x00
	   196287 | lead-out |   1 |    0x01 |        0 |        0 | 0x00
	
6:06:15 PM	#11 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 209
	SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FCTL_LOCK_VOLUME
	
6:06:15 PM	#12 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1760
	Burn process started at 24x (3,600 KB/s)
	
6:06:15 PM	#13 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
	
6:06:15 PM	#14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 1 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #17847): write at #17847
	
6:06:15 PM	#15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 2 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #30762): write at #30762
	
6:06:15 PM	#16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 3 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #51212): write at #51212
	
6:06:15 PM	#17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 4 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #66577): write at #66577
	
6:06:15 PM	#18 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 5 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #84575): write at #84575
	
6:06:15 PM	#19 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 6 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #104622): write at #104622
	
6:06:15 PM	#20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 7 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #119222): write at #119222
	
6:06:15 PM	#21 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 8 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #138730): write at #138730
	
6:06:15 PM	#22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 9 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #152512): write at #152512
	
6:06:15 PM	#23 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 10 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #166102): write at #166102
	
6:06:15 PM	#24 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2712
	Verifying disc position of item 11 (relocatable, no disc pos, patch infos, orig at #183717): write at #183717
	
6:06:15 PM	#25 Text 0 File MMC.cpp, Line 17597
	StartDAO : CD-Text - On
	
6:06:15 PM	#26 Text 0 File MMC.cpp, Line 22275
	Set BUFE: SMART-BURN -> ON , SMART-BURN : ON
	
6:06:15 PM	#27 Text 0 File MMC.cpp, Line 17827
	CueData, Len=120
	01 00 00 41 00 00 00 00 
	01 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 
	01 01 01 00 00 00 02 00 
	01 02 01 00 00 03 3b 48 
	01 03 01 00 00 06 34 0c 
	01 04 01 00 00 0b 18 3e 
	01 05 01 00 00 0e 31 34 
	01 06 01 00 00 12 31 32 
	01 07 01 00 00 17 10 48 
	01 08 01 00 00 1a 1f 2f 
	01 09 01 00 00 1e 33 37 
	01 0a 01 00 00 21 37 25 
	01 0b 01 00 00 24 38 34 
	01 0c 01 00 00 28 33 2a 
	01 aa 01 01 00 2b 27 0c 
	
6:10:58 PM	#28 SPTI -1033 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 179
	CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1033)
	Sense Key:  0x02 (KEY_NOT_READY)
	Sense Code: 0x04
	Sense Qual: 0x01
	CDB Data:   0x2A 00 00 02 1D DC 00 00 0E 00 00 00 
	Sense Area: 0x70 00 02 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 04 01 
	Buffer x07420900: Len x80a0
	0xFF FF 00 00 FF FF FD FF 01 00 02 00 FC FF FD FF 
	0x03 00 02 00 FC FF FE FF 02 00 00 00 FF FF 00 00 
	0xFF FF FF FF 02 00 00 00 FC FF 00 00 03 00 FF FF 
	
6:10:58 PM	#29 CDR -1033 File Writer.cpp, Line 299
	Drive not ready
	D: LITE-ON DVDRW LH-20A1S
	
6:10:58 PM	#30 SPTI -1033 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 179
	CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1033)
	Sense Key:  0x02 (KEY_NOT_READY)
	Sense Code: 0x04
	Sense Qual: 0x01
	CDB Data:   0x35 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
	Sense Area: 0x70 00 02 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 04 01 
	
6:11:04 PM	#31 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1760
	Burn process failed at 24x (3,600 KB/s)
	
6:11:04 PM	#32 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 254
	SPTIDismountVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_DISMOUNT_VOLUME
	
6:11:07 PM	#33 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10538
	DriveLocker: UnLockVolume completed
	
6:11:07 PM	#34 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 411
	UnLockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL
	

Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\CDRALW2K.SYS': Ver=8.0.0.212 , size=2560 bytes, created 11/3/2005 3:00:00 AM 
File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=3.00.11B, size=46080 bytes, created 11/3/2005 3:00:00 AM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

120inna55

Apr 29, 2008

I've discovered that there's actually no problem writing data discs. I just wrote ~600MB of data to a disc without problem. I did this through Windows (select files on HDD-->right-click-->send to CD drive--> then go to CD drive and select "write these files to CD. That went off without a hitch.

I copied my Windows Office disc using Nero's software without a problem.

I can write MP3's via Windows to CD without a problem.

All at 48x.

The only problem I'm having is with copying an audio CD. Using Nero, "copy CD fails no matter what speed I choose.

Using Windows, even if I rip an audio CD to MP3's, then attempt to burn as an audio disc, it fails (I'm ensuring that the files, once converted to .cda don't exceed the capacity of the disc either).

What would be causing it to resist copying music, but allowing data (including MP3's)???

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

55 minutes ago · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

This Web Vulnerability Shook the Tech World

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2QtsO2mlXM

Direct YouTube Link - This Web Vulnerability Shook the Tech World
TWIT's Website
TWIT Live Feed

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 2:43 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Bobby

Yesterday at 10:30 AM

I Wish I Was Eighteen Again - George Burns

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harshness

Yesterday at 12:06 PM

I Wish - Stevie Wonder

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EatMyVolts

Yesterday at 1:47 PM

Lonesome Road -- The Wonder Who?

long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 3:14 PM

Lonesome Loser - Little River Band

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hwkn

Today at 2:43 AM

Long LONESOME Highway-Michael Parks

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JSheridan

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 11:27 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.

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Foxbat

Sep 25, 2026

Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:37 PM

Foxbat said:
Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…

have charlie buy you a new house :biggrin

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telstar_1

Yesterday at 8:46 PM

Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 8:53 PM

slow_poke_pete said:
have charlie buy you a new house

Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 9:11 PM

Foxbat said:
Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…

that would be one hell of a convo :biggrin

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osu1991

Yesterday at 11:27 PM

telstar_1 said:
Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?

New more efficient encoders. I think there's around 60 channels/sub channels now in the Tulsa dma. 480 widescreen for most of the sub channels, but some have 2 HD channels and a couple of SD sub channels while others have 1 HD and 5 or more SD sub channels. If they moved to mp4 or hevc encoding they could do higher bitrates for SD or more HD or even 4K in that 6Mhz channel. That could render some early digital tvs unable to tune though as they may not have the codecs for that. Considering 4K tvs have been on sale for years, I think it would be a very small minority of TVs with the problem. I'd rather see that happen and keep ATSC 1 than continue the move to a DRM enforced ATSC 3 world.

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SatZach

Last reply Yesterday at 10:51 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Is Roku the new Legacy Cable?

The title was to catch everyone's eye lol! But it is a thought I've been having as I dev a Roku app for a client. You see many MAAANY years ago I got really interested in cable TV channels and even chatted with a regional carrier, Insight about what it took to get a channel number. It was surprisingly easy although prohibitively expensive.

You could petition, reserve a high channel number, they monitored performance and if they liked you, you'd get lower channel number overtime and cut into ad overlays.

Roku has a similar setup. Make an app, if it has a strong, original linear component you could get channel assignment on The Roku Channel.

As mixed as my feelings are on the current media landscape, I can't help but feel a little excited interest when I scope out the apps in the Roku store.

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navychop

Yesterday at 9:53 PM

Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.

SatZach

Yesterday at 10:51 PM

navychop said:
Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.

All of those services have FAST Channels. FAST is a linear online broadcast stndrd. You notice how their linear channels all have some overlap? They are gettting paid for every second those streams are up without really having to do their own accounting. Best part is they don't even facilitate any of the stream bandwidth. Over glorified app stores on some android hardware. No reason NOT to stay in the game.

klang

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 9:52 PM · posted in TV Shows

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.

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harshness

Yesterday at 11:53 AM

Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 3:35 PM

harshness said:
Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.

Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...

Jimbo

Yesterday at 8:14 PM

long_time_Dish said:
Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...

Me either ...
They turned out to be a Poor adversary ....

Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:02 PM

They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"

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long_time_Dish

Yesterday at 9:52 PM

Foxbat said:
They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"

And too many episodes centering on/around them as well...

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Yesterday at 8:43 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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Strega

Wednesday at 6:21 PM

I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!

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Almighty1

Thursday at 8:53 PM

I remember this in the news too...

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.

www.nbcnews.com

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Bobby

Thursday at 9:21 PM

Almighty1 said:
I remember this in the news too...

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.

www.nbcnews.com

That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.

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SuperDish_Fan23

Friday at 4:24 PM

SuperDish_Fan23 said:
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff

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slow_poke_pete

Friday at 5:51 PM

SuperDish_Fan23 said:
Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wL6dsORmXg

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telstar_1

Friday at 5:58 PM

Slicker guides never did much for me

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Almighty1

Friday at 10:33 PM

Bobby said:
That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.

Good point as part of that time mentioned was before I was even alive.

While reports from the family's case focused entirely on the equipment rental charges, media records show that Ester Strogen originally started by paying $29.95 per quarter ($9.98 per month) in the 1960s for her combined telephone connection.
The actual base cost for standard residential telephone service over a 42-year period (spanning roughly 1964 to 2006) reveals how basic connection costs evolved compared to the equipment rental fees:

Historical Phone Service Rates

1960s – 1970s Base Rate: Standard local phone service was heavily subsidized and tightly regulated under the Bell System monopoly. A basic landline package with unlimited local calling typically cost between $5.00 and $10.00 per month.
1980s – 2000s Post-Deregulation Rate: Following the AT&T divestiture in 1984, base line service rates steadily climbed due to the introduction of subscriber line charges, touch-tone fees, and local infrastructure adjustments. By 2006, basic flat-rate local residential phone service hovered around $15.00 to $25.00 per month (excluding long-distance packages and taxes).

The True Lifetime Service Bill

Assuming an average baseline connection fee of roughly $12.00 a month over that 42-year span, the line connectivity itself would have realistically accumulated to approximately $6,000 in raw cash payouts.
When you bundle the actual service costs together with the escalating equipment rental fees, the total cumulative out-of-pocket phone expenses over those four decades easily crossed $12,000 to $14,000. Long-distance phone calls—which were billed entirely by the minute back then and could cost up to 15 to 30 cents per minute—would add significantly more to that historical total depending on usage.

The widely publicized calculation stems from a viral news story from 2006 involving a widow named Ester Strogen. Her family discovered she had been continuously leasing two rotary dial telephones from AT&T for 42 years.
The total cost—which actually came out to more than $14,000 by the time the lease was canceled—was calculated based on the following legacy telecom structure:

The Monthly Fee: At the time her granddaughters discovered the charges, the ongoing leasing fee was $29.10 per month for the two outdated phones.
The Math: Over 42 years (504 months), paying roughly $24 to $30 a month accumulates to between $12,000 and $14,600 ($29.10 × 504 months = $14,666.40).

Why did this happen?
Prior to the landmark breakup of AT&T ("Ma Bell") in 1984, consumers were legally not allowed to own their phones; they were required to lease them directly from the phone company.
When the laws changed and phone ownership became legal, AT&T spun off its rental division into a company called QLT Consumer Lease Services. Millions of customers, particularly elderly individuals who were used to seeing a single unified phone bill, simply never realized that the small recurring "equipment lease" line-item could be canceled by buying a cheap phone at a retail store.

Yes, leasing absolutely cost that much in reality, and the math is entirely accurate. However, the calculations performed by the family did contain one major historical nuance: they multiplied the final 2006 rate across all 42 years, which means the actual total cash paid out was likely a bit lower.
The original viral story focused on 82-year-old widow Ester Strogen from Canton, Ohio, who paid $29.10 a month for two black rotary phones until her family intervened in July 2006.
The reality behind how the cost reached that staggering total breaks down into two distinct phases:

Phase 1: The Historical Base Rate (1960s – 1984)

When Strogen first got the phones in the 1960s, renting was a legal mandate and cost a fraction of the 2006 price—usually just a few dollars a month.

The "Insurance" Mirage: In exchange for that fee, Ma Bell promised free, lifetime maintenance. If the phone broke, they replaced it instantly at no extra cost.
The Cost-Plus Reality: Because these solid-state phones were built like tanks out of heavy plastic and steel, they almost never broke. Consumers paid a continuous premium for decades for a repair service they rarely used.

Phase 2: The Deregulation Rate Hikes (1984 – 2006)

After AT&T was forced to break up its monopoly in 1984, the rental side of the business was shifted to Lucent Technologies and later a legacy holding company. To maximize profit off a shrinking customer base, they steadily increased the monthly rental fees over the next 20 years.

By 2006, the rental cost had quietly ballooned to roughly $14.55 per phone per month.
When the family discovered the $29.10 monthly charge, they looked back at the 42-year span and estimated the collective loss at over $14,000.

Even adjusted for historical inflation—where $2 a month in 1964 had the purchasing power of roughly $20 today—Ester Strogen and hundreds of thousands of other elderly Americans realistically paid thousands of dollars out-of-pocket for standard desk phones they could have purchased at retail for $10.

The exact out-of-pocket dollar amount Ester Strogen paid over those 42 years was never publicly determined, as neither AT&T nor the family had access to monthly billing records stretching all the way back to the 1960s.
The figures reported in the media are entirely mathematical estimates based on the 2006 rate. The two primary numbers used to define the "cost" are:

The Stated Media Total: More than $14,000.
The Exact Family Formula: $14,666.40. This was derived by taking her final recorded bill of $29.10 per month and multiplying it across the full 42 years (504 months).

What the True Cash Cost Likely Was

Because AT&T did not charge $29.10 a month back in 1964, the true historical cash sum she handed over was lower than $14,000. In the 1960s and 1970s, basic phone lease fees were generally bundled into standard service or itemized at just $1.00 to $2.00 a month per phone.
If we realistically assume she paid lower base rates for the first 20 years before the post-1984 deregulation price hikes took effect, a realistic estimate of the actual cash paid is between $5,000 and $7,000.

The Real Cost When Adjusted for Inflation

While the family's $14,000 calculation overestimates the raw cash paid, it actually underestimates the true economic damage when factoring in the time value of money.
Paying $2.00 a month for equipment in 1964 sounds minor, but due to severe inflation during the 1970s, those early single dollars had the purchasing power of roughly $20.00 each in 2006 terms. If you adjust every historical lower monthly payment upward to account for inflation, Ester Strogen realistically lost the equivalent of well over $15,000 in modern purchasing power by renting instead of buying.

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:28 PM

telstar_1 said:
Slicker guides never did much for me

me either. sometimes it seems like things disappear when they start changing sh*t around :biggrin

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slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:43 PM

Strega said:
I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!

you would be better off looking in ca for a train wreck to nowhere :biggrin

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jcrandall

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Last reply Yesterday at 8:42 PM · posted in DIRECTV Programming Forum

Channels on DIRECTV Satellite and not on Stream/Internet

So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...

Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.

I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.

What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.

If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.

Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.

MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.

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KyL416

Aug 3, 2026

WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.

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harshness

Oct 15, 2026

One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.

mario315

Friday at 11:55 PM

harshness said:
One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.

KyL416

Saturday at 12:00 AM

WPLG/10 Miami is now available to stream customers

The CW stations WCWW/25 South Bend and WBKP/5 Marquette are testing on the stream server

Last week they also added a bunch of CW stations that are still not available to sat customers:
WETM-DT/19 Elmira
WJET-DT/25 Erie
KLFY-DT/11 Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 Utica
KFDX-DT/4 Wichita Falls

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mario315

Saturday at 12:07 AM

Well, that was fast ! DTV Stream brought back WTCN's HD signal today.

I have to assume the station signing up a week ago as the Miami Heat affiliate here (to carry their games) did the trick. NBA magic !!!

Or the station engineer took care of the problem after hearing about it.

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darren_s

Yesterday at 8:29 PM

KyL416 said:
WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.

Channel 28 Nashville hasn't been added so far, correct?

KyL416

Yesterday at 8:42 PM

WNPX Nashville and WMYD Detroit were added to stream about 2 months ago.

They also now have PRDTRS/651 for those in Predators territory outside of the Nashville DMA and PISTONS/663-2 for those in Pistons territory outside of the Detroit DMA.

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TheForce

Supporting Founder Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 8:32 PM · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone

Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.

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comfortably_numb

Oct 10, 2026

Can't remember if I've posted this yet..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU

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Foxbat

Saturday at 11:47 AM

If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.

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comfortably_numb

Saturday at 11:56 AM

Foxbat said:
No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter

And definitely no medieval chain armor!

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harshness

Yesterday at 12:18 PM

comfortably_numb said:
medieval chain armor

Aka "mail" or "maille".

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 7:05 PM

IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.

But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:31 PM

comfortably_numb said:
Can't remember if I've posted this yet..

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU

most carriers do. that's why they send updates that slow phones down!! i buy unlocked phones no effect to me

slow_poke_pete

Yesterday at 8:32 PM

Foxbat said:
IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.

But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.

hope you have apple care a screen job is 1000.00

. can we say over priced garbage!!!

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meStevo

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Yesterday at 8:17 PM · posted in The Sports Section

NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

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rvvaquero

Tuesday at 11:33 AM

Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.

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Yespage

Thursday at 9:15 AM

rvvaquero said:
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.

Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.

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b4pjoe

Thursday at 9:53 AM

Yespage said:
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.

Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.

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rvvaquero

Thursday at 11:50 AM

Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.

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meStevo

Thursday at 10:53 PM

View: https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/2113438192913588676?s=20

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meStevo

Yesterday at 8:17 PM

Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.

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TWiT Tech Podcast Network

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