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bnl107
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Last reply · posted in Old YAHOOGROUPS - VOOM! Archives

Voom is missing out on MILLIONS of potential subscribers due to lack of OTA channels

I love Voom. That said, I live in the third largest city in Pennsylvania, Allentown, and I am "one of, if not the only, Voom subscribers in my area" (according to the installers I've spoken to) based almost solely on the fact that there are no network channels available OTA. Philadelphia is over 55 miles away, and I live in a valley, so no matter what type of "upgraded antenna" they bring out, I cannot receive any NBC, CBS, ABC, or Fox programming. That means no Simpons, real Olympic coverage, no local news, no American Idol, or any of the other shows my family is crying for. There are over 587,000 potential customers living in my area, and yet the installers I have talked to are saying that they are removing more Voom systems than they are installing around here, almost always only for this reason. In fact, a couple of the installers said they have been working in the area for years and have never done a Voom install, many also told me that their supervisors try to talk customers out of the Voom install before they send an installer out because of the quick churn rate due to the lack of local channels (my first Installs, Inc encounter was along those lines as well). I am sure my area is not unique, and as a customer truly hoping to see Voom and their vision succeed, I hope they find a way to make themselves appealing in areas like mine, outside of the range of major network OTA broadcasts.
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vinnyv07 said:
I guess Im alone on this ...but thats what makes forums like these great. Differences in opinion. I think it really wont matter since I think VOOM will try and do what Directv is trying to right now with DTV adding HD local ch's to the biggest markets and then expanding. Voom is going to have alot of bandwidth space when they switch over to their new system.
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Yes but how much space? With WM9 and the new bird I thought I read that Voom's potential to carry HD multiplied to like 90 HD channels. In that case HD network channels may not be a big deal, but to get everyone's locals would mean launching more Sats. Straight major network feed (meaning without local news and local commercials) would be the best, but I bet there are a zillion laws against it. I would RATHER see Voom try to tie down HDNet and inHD rather than locals. I think that's money BETTER spent in the present, and could lead to bigger short term gains than all the locals over Sat.
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Dvlos said:
Yes but how much space? With WM9 and the new bird I thought I read that Voom's potential to carry HD multiplied to like 90 HD channels. In that case HD network channels may not be a big deal, but to get everyone's locals would mean launching more Sats. Straight major network feed (meaning without local news and local commercials) would be the best, but I bet there are a zillion laws against it. I would RATHER see Voom try to tie down HDNet and inHD rather than locals. I think that's money BETTER spent in the present, and could lead to bigger short term gains than all the locals over Sat.
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I would rather HDNET and INHD also...but VOOM doesnt have to provide every markets local ch's. They would start like Directv is starting ...with the biggest market. Dont get me wrong I would rather receive local ch's OTA.
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Locals

New to VOOM (1 week) and from an area (Lehigh Valley, PA) that cannot receive local OTA channels. I believe these channels are more important for their content than picture clarity. Local news can affect those living in that area and should, in my opinion, be provided/offered over the satellite. I have Directv in a spare room for the football package and now VOOM in living room for HD. Adding cable for locals would be ridiculous and even more expensive. I guess we'll see what happens in the near future, but this lack of content is enough for me to make the switch again and I'm sure is keeping people from subscribing and causing cancellations (at least in my area). The HD pictures are awesome and seem much better than Directv. Aside from a few other minor complaints, I'll stick with VOOM for now. Thanks.
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Fred1 said:
VOOM in living room for HD. Adding cable for locals would be ridiculous and even more expensive.
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I have basic cable for a back up for $10.00/month.
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I live in Simi Valley which is outside of Los Angeles. I cannot get any local channels. I decided to stay with Voom anyway. I figure it will encourage me to watch less television. I hope they will have a solution in the future.
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Last & Next Movie Watched

Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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Barbara Hershey :heartbeat
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Last of the Dogmen is my favorite of hers.
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Star Wars Despecialized Edition

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comfortably_numb
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Philo now offers discounted annual plan

Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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comfortably_numb said:
Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
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Jimbo said:
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
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But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.
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But when you cancel you still have to watch until the plan runs out. With monthly you're done at the end of the month.
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Sorry, my point was the expense.
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Jimbo said:
$24 for the Year, would be more useful.
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Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.
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Philo's monthly price is reasonable, IMO, because it's still the cheapest way I'm aware of to get all the linear Discovery networks AND access to the Discovery Go apps.
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I guess if it was something I used on a regular basis, I suppose.
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In other Philo news..

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In other Philo news..

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Oh boy, I can't wait! 😂
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Rockford Files Reboot - NBC, Peacock

'Rockford Files' Reboot Gets NBC Pilot Order

I grow tired of all the reboots. Most I don't bother with but will depend on the actor chosen.
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Yeah, I'll check it out as well, but shan't be holding my breath...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...
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long_time_DNC said:
...It'll be tough to equal James Garner in that role...
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I can think of a few actors (including some females) who might fit the bill.

This will all depend on the storyline. I'm not sure how well it will translate. Modern TV hasn't been all that kind to PIs and even less kind to CIs (confidential informants).
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Premier is Saturday, Jan 2nd. Moving to Thursday on the 7th.
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Teaser

View: https://youtu.be/g7R669yokr4?is=wv_qN0B-YOBxRt24
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I wonder how they're/if they're going to do something like the answering machine message opening? It was always funny...
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Volcanic Eruptions

Continuing the Kilauea thread in the Pub here. Perhaps the Iceland one too next time there's remarkable activity.

Currently there is precursory lava flowing into the crater, leading to the next episode that'll probably start within the next day.

You can see the pace of inflation / deflation here. It serves as the primary predictor for when the expect the eruptions, which coincide w/ inflation turning into significant deflation and last for several hours on average with significant fountaining.

www.usgs.gov

Monitoring Data for Kīlauea

For more information on how electronic tiltmeters and GPS receivers help monitor the deformation of Kīlauea volcano, see the HVO Deformation page.
www.usgs.gov www.usgs.gov


View: https://youtu.be/Uecu2seh4b4


Wife and I like the AfarTV feeds, for the discussion along w/ them, though they're otherwise just mirrors of the official USGS feeds.


View: https://youtu.be/iws3rh5vLAQ
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Kīlauea seems to be returning to the "normal" eruption script, impressive fountaining from the North Vent. For once, the V2 Cam has the best overall shot:
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The lava flows have covered a good portion of the Halemaʻumaʻu crater floor.
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Looks like Episode 55 is over at 09:00 HST, just under six hours. The USGS said the fountains reached 720' or 220 meters.
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The USGS Kīlaeua Webcam #1 has been showing overflows and doming from the North vent overnight. Maybe the volcanic plumbing has settled back into its two-three week cycle of fountaining?

But I do miss the little cinder cone that broke up in the last episode.
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Sorry, I should have posted these earlier:

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We're still waiting on the start of Episode 56.
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At 08:01 HST 11/05/2026, the North Vent produced what I would call a "wet burp" after the precursory "pistoning" events, small amounts of lava pouring out of the vent for a few seconds to minutes and then everything recedes. There must have been a gas bubble holding thing back because two minutes later the lava started flowing out of the vent in all directions. Then, at 08:25, it stopped. What a tease! I thought this was how Episode 56 started.

About 12 minutes later at 08:38, the North vent once again started overflowing and picked up steam at 08:42. By 09:00, slight doming could be seen in the pool of lava in the vent. Surely this is it!

But, 09:50 and things wind down again. By 09:57 HST there's just fumes coming out of the vent. Phooey.

But then 10:00 comes and the heavy lava flows kick in again. This time seems like the real deal. At 10:30 HST there's little spurts of lava flying up in the air over the vent, but more from gas than a steady fountain of lava. This looks promising!

11:30 HST and the color of the lava is definitely hotter, and the intensity has picked up to a definite dome and precursor to fountaining. The USGS calls Episode 56 as officially starting at 12:10 HST:
Alert Level: WATCH, Color Code: ORANGE 2026-11-05 22:29:12 UTC
HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice

Volcano: Kilauea (VNUM #332010)

Current Volcano Alert Level: WATCH
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE

Issued: Thursday, November 5, 2026, 12:29 PM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Notice Number: 2026/H514
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawaii

Summary: Episode 56 of the ongoing Halemaʻumaʻu eruption began at 12:10 PM HST on November 5, 2026.

Volcanic Activity:
Episode 56 of lava fountaining in Halemaʻumaʻu began at the summit of Kīlauea began at 12:10 PM HST on November 5, 2026.

Lava fountain heights are relatively low at about 100 ft (30 meters), but will likely increase. Ground-level sensors near the eruptive vents indicate that winds are blowing from the northeast direction, which suggests that volcanic gas emissions and volcanic material may be distributed to the southwest direction from Halemaʻumaʻu.
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The Man With The Bag (2026) Prime


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Bad Day - Netflix


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Dec 11, 2026 Netflix
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Saved OTA list on Dish can't be appended

I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd​ scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list. :mad:

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
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I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
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dishstaller said:
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
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I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
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I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
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Like I said.....that has been many years ago. Swapped my 722K for a Hopper in 2012.

It does seem like I remember having to delete the existing channels when we did a rescan. Back then our local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in. Got so bad that I stopped selling OR installing OTAs....something I had been doing since 1984 so you know it HAD to be pretty bad.
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You made one of my points for me with this comment, Dishstaller:

"... local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in ..."
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dishstaller said:
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
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I remember that also on my 722.
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I remember that also on my 722.
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Thanks.....has been too many years to remember clearly.
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Bobby
Keep in mind that the 722 had a built in OTA tuner and the 722K had a plug in module for OTA. The Hoppers and Wallys use an add on USB OTA dongle. I believe they are entirely different.
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My F-You To Sam Altman

Time for another AWESOME video from Linus Tech Tips!


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/spXuvLHTIs4


Direct YouTube Link - My F-You To Sam Altman
Linus on Facebook
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watchOS 27.3 Beta - Siri Recap and Live Rewind Coming!

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


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Direct YouTube Link - watchOS 27.3 Beta - Siri Recap and Live Rewind Coming!
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Marvel Television’s VisionQuest


View: https://youtu.be/oSVTAUKyrL8?si=pF-pQQAJIiKjSqx6


Oct 14 Disney+
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Finished the 2nd episode tonight. I'm really liking it so far.

Still hate weekly releases though, especially the way Disney and HBO do it waiting until 8pm to premiere it.
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Apparently I'm not a big enough nerd🤓 since I did not read every Marvel Comic Book ever published. If I had, I might be comparing the comics' version of events compared to what's transpiring in "Visionquest". So, I am enjoying the series a lot, not weighed down by previous expectations, knowing only the Avengers MCU movies and the "Wandavision" / "Agatha All Along" TV series.

I found the Mr Know-it-All channel from his discussion about "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" and he's been gleefully picking these episodes apart, referencing the Marvel comics from the 1939 on. Turns out A.I. has been around since before World War II, at least in the comics. (Robots before that, yes, yes.) This show is going back into the archives.
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I'm expecting the finale to basically bring Vision into play for the Doomsday movie next month.
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annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks
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osu1991 said:
annoying they went with single episodes for the last two after releasing two a week for the first 3 weeks
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I thought they were effectively releasing a longer episode 7 and 8 instead of shorter episodes 7 & 8 this week and 9 & 10 next week. It felt like they were packing more into this episode.

edit: But you're right, the run time of the first three pairs of episodes was 100 minutes on average. Episode 7 clocks in at 65 minutes. 😕
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