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Before the VOOM massacre, I could not have cared less about the TIVO lawsuit because I believed Dish Network would always look out for the best interests of their customers. I don't believe that now and will never believe it again. I think Dish Network is perfectly capable of disabling DVR's and not losing sleep over it. All bets are off at this point.

And don't believe it won't happen sooner than later because the case is ongoing, VOOM happened sooner.
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what are you talking about? Dish isnt going to be disabling any DVRs, they took down Voom because it was a dying set of channels that the provider couldn't afford new content on.
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what are you talking about? Dish isnt going to be disabling any DVRs, they took down Voom because it was a dying set of channels that the provider couldn't afford new content on.

The way Dish Network lied to customers in the 22 New HD Channel press release, followed by the removal of 15 VOOM channels without notice, indicates to me that this company is capable of also disabling DVR's if it suits their purposes. Like if they lose their court case with TIVO. Before VOOM, I thought they were a good company. Now I think they are a bad company, thus my fear.

My post is about the TIVO lawsuit.
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My post is about the TIVO lawsuit.

No your post is about the TIVO lawsuit in relation to VOOM. Which there is no relation.

There are no "good companies" there are "less evil" and "more evil" companies.

DISH looks out for it's own interests. They handled Voom terribly, but it will be better for them in the long run.

Shutting off millions of DVRs does not serve their interests. It would drive millions of people away.

Besides, hasn't it already been established that the TIVO lawsuit would really only affect a handful of people, if any? I believe it's mostly just a liability for DISH and their dealers, since it mainly affects receivers sitting in boxes in storerooms.

And damn it, there's no such word as "loosing".
DSpud
This Thread is completely idiotic. Yeah, because Dish cut their loses with Voom, they are also going to shut off everyone's DVR's and effectively ruin their whole company. Yeah, I can see how you can connect the two.
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Before the VOOM massacre, I could not have cared less about the TIVO lawsuit because I believed Dish Network would always look out for the best interests of their customers. I don't believe that now and will never believe it again. I think Dish Network is perfectly capable of disabling DVR's and not losing sleep over it. All bets are off at this point.

And don't believe it won't happen sooner than later because the case is ongoing, VOOM happened sooner.

Egads.. why can't these folks put their $$ where their mouth is and quit E* and go terrorize the poor folks at D*.. the rest of us can get back to watching some TV instead of checking 10 times a day to see if the sky is truly falling...
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Egads.. why can't these folks put their $$ where their mouth is and quit E* and go terrorize the poor folks at D*.. the rest of us can get back to watching some TV instead of checking 10 times a day to see if the sky is truly falling...

I'm sorry so many people found this thread so offensive, I was just voicing an opinion about my faith in Dish Network at this time and how it relates to some of the other issues. I probably shouldn't have done it. I don't think it is fair, however, for people to suggest that everyone with a negative opinion of Dish Network should cancel their subscriptions and go away. If threads like this make you so angry, just read the threads you like and stay away from the others, it is your choice to click on each link. Better yet, start an "everything is great at Dish Network" thread of your own. I'm not going to come attack it like you are doing here.
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This Thread is completely idiotic. Yeah, because Dish cut their loses with Voom, they are also going to shut off everyone's DVR's and effectively ruin their whole company. Yeah, I can see how you can connect the two.

I don't believe they will shut the DVR's off entirely either, but I could see them stripping away DVR features until they reach a level of compliance with whatever court order may be issued leaving us with half the DVR we had before. I want Dish Network to reach a settlement so we keep all the features of the DVR, but I no longer believe that will be the case.

Feel free to resume flaming this thread for idiocy, thanks.
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It would almost be good for Dish and the customer if they junked all of the mpeg-2 DVRs. The people that upgraded to the Vip series would finally be able to reap the full benefits of Mpeg4 because we wouldn't have anyone with OBSOLETE hardware holding us back, and Dish could really begin a full transition to mpeg4.

The customer would have access to all of the new channels, more disc space, better boxes. The 622 is one of the best CE devices that I have used, certainly miles ahead of the garbage motorola and scientific atlanta boxes. I laugh at my friends that use time warner's sad excuse for a DVR, SD menus and guides are so cool. I really love it when the slow UI can't keep up.

Who knows, but you might actually see a pretty good deal to move to a Vip series if they really are forced to disable the old boxes.


I have a feeling that Dish can pretty much appeal this until Tivo slowly bleeds to death. Switched video, the digital transition, and poorly supported cable cards (mainly cable's way of still leasing their sh*tty boxes) already pretty much gave Tivo the death blow.

Again, no DVR would effectively kill dish, in a matter of weeks. Completely disabling all DVRs is not an option, they would be better served to buy Tivo, and then shut the doors.


Has everyone forgot about the Blackberry mess? Pretty sure they still work.
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williamkmurphy said:
I have a feeling that Dish can pretty much appeal this until Tivo slowly bleeds to death. Switched video, the digital transition, and poorly supported cable cards (mainly cable's way of still leasing their sh*tty boxes) already pretty much gave Tivo the death blow.

Again, no DVR would effectively kill dish, in a matter of weeks. Completely disabling all DVRs is not an option, they would be better served to buy Tivo, and then shut the doors.

Has everyone forgot about the Blackberry mess? Pretty sure they still work.
I don't know if Dish Network and Echostar can appeal this until TiVo bleeds to death. I don't believe that is the case. This lawsuit has already been up through the Court of Appeals, which blessed the injunction, so Dish Network/Echostar will have a hard time to convince anyone that an injunction to shut down certain DVR's does not apply.

But before one asks about the Blackberry mess, remember this:

Blackberry said they had a workaround of the patent in question, and then a few days before the injunction would have taken full force and effect, Blackberry's maker RIMM settled with NTP for $612 million. So of course Blackberries still work; RIMM settled.

In this case, there already is an injunction in full force and effect that required specific models of receivers to have their DVR functions disabled. There is a question on the date of the shutdown, but it is definitely no later than 20 May, if it hasn't taken effect already. And one has to wonder if Dish Network/Echostar will settle if they don't particularly like the terms.
Wererat
And damn it, there's no such word as "loosing".

Well, there is, but in the sense of "to release" not "to lose or misplace."

E.g., "Robin loosed an arrow at the target. However, the shot missed and became lost in the forest. Robin said, 'I hate when I lose an arrow after loosing it!'"

:D
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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RIP dude. Always liked his music. He was 83


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This video was put up shortly after I was able to take my family out to Yosemite in 2011. No AI.


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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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MikeD-C05
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.
Scott Greczkowski
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH
I have the same wish.
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I have the same wish.
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite
Scott Greczkowski
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite
They keep the satellite service too. But have. Full streaming version of dish. As sling tv sucks eggs.
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As sling tv sucks eggs.

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NYDutch
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite
DISH will happily sell them a Starlink system and service.
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.
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But how is it reusable if it's disposable
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Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.


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harshness
When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.
dishstaller
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
Jimbo
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.
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He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves
arlo
Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.


Opinions may vary.
harshness
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.
The days of the 84-month warranty appear long gone, regardless of brand or where you acquired it. Warranties tend to be shorter, with much greater dependence on quick prorating.

The big problem for lead-acid batteries (whether flooded or AGM) is that the US no longer produces lead (the last smelter closed in 2013) and must import it.

Recycling covers a good chunk of the need (~70%), but it isn't free.
EarDemon
I've always got regular OEM Ford Motorcraft batteries from the dealership and have never really had an issue. On my old Lincoln Aviator (the SUV from the early 00s, not the CUV of today), I had some phantom drain and went though a few batteries, but that was an anomaly and with the standard warranty I got free replacements. Taking the Aviator out of the picture, I've bought two batteries in my 24 years of driving. One battery replacement in my Mountaineer, one in my Navigator. But I probably would have had another one had I kept it around longer. Didn't have the Bronco long enough, and so far still on the factory battery for my Expedition.

I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner. I'm in Buffalo, 90 degree summers and 0 degree winters. Once in a while in the dead of winter I'll get an alert from the Ford app saying remote features have been disabled to conserve battery, but it starts right up.
dishstaller
I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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College Football Playoff bracket, schedule, scores, rankings ...

The 2025–26 College Football Playoff concluded with the Indiana Hoosiers winning the national championship by defeating the Miami Hurricanes 27–21. [1, 2, 3]

Playoff Results Summary
The 12-team playoff bracket featured the following key results across each round: [1]
    • First Round: Alabama defeated Oklahoma (34–24), Miami (Fla.) beat Texas A&M (10–3), Ole Miss topped Tulane (41–10), and Oregon defeated James Madison (51–34) at higher-seeded campus sites.
    • Quarterfinals: Miami (Fla.) upset Ohio State (24–14), Oregon shut out Texas Tech (23–0), top-ranked Indiana rolled past Alabama (38–3), and Ole Miss edged Georgia (39–34) across the New Year's Six bowls.
    • Semifinals: Miami (Fla.) advanced past Ole Miss (31–27) in the Peach Bowl, while Indiana dominant-defeated Oregon (56–22) in the Fiesta Bowl.
    • National Championship: Indiana secured the title with a 27–21 victory over Miami (Fla.) at Hard Rock Stadium. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Unfortunately, there was not rankings listed in this summary
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And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.
Jimbo
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.
I think they are actually discussing the Top 8 get a Bye this time, if they go to 24.
Then again, I heard something about Play in games for the 16-24 teams ...

Nothing is official yet, so lots of moving parts ...

Can't wait, lets do 24, 3 years later they will want 32 :sick
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And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.
Jimbo
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.
Once the 24 gets here, there won't be anymore Conference Championships .... or so they say.

Oh what the hell, we really don't need Conferences anymore either ...:coco:(
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Rest in peace. Together again with Spock, Doc, Uhura, and Scotty...
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Rest in peace, Checkov, and Bester too...
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Rest In Peace 😢
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Rest in Peace…
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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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MLB, Rays at Brewers, Friday 10-23, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Rays at Brewers, Saturday 10-24, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Brewers at Rays, Monday 10-26, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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MLB, Brewers at Rays, Tuesday 10-27, 5PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Florida vs Georgia, Saturday 10-31, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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