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Yep, Echostar missed their opportunity to get in before a lot of people got their coupons. I was wanting to get their unit but my coupons expire in a few days so I will probably have to get them at Wal-Mart and pay the $10 difference and see how they work. Unfortunately the two that they sell are not the best, one an RCA that does not have as good of sensitivity from what I've read and the Magnavox having an even worse rating (some dead out of the box) although they have better sensitivity on the signals but will not stay locked on them that well and have a worse picture quality.

i'm only enjoined against posting insider or confidential information.

i should have noted that I was speculating since I really have no knowledge beyond that which can be gained from observation.

My Bad!!

What's going on with this DTV Pal???? I ordered two by phone on 8/28 as online would only allow you to buy one and referred a number to call. After repeating information over and over, especially the codes from the coupons, and security codes, I was finally told they would be shipped in about three business days. On 9/13 (last Saturday), after having been billed on my Discover the 28th, I called to inquire and after about half an hour of apologies for being placed on hold, I was asked for the codes from the cards all over since "that is how they track the order". I would guess many will toss the discount cards out after ordering, SO DON'T!!! After another twenty minutes on hold, was told they were having difficulty processing the order again and to hold. I told them they had my number (gave it to them again), and to CALL ME once they had figured out how to send something they collected money on weeks ago. Well, yes, it's now Monday night, and my hour spent Saturday night (plus the hour from the 28th) are obviously all in vain. No call. No email. Nadda nuttin honey. Will give them til next Monday on the ray of hope that they finally placed the order and see if anything shows. Now, if I was a betting man..............................

Stargazer said:

Yep, Echostar missed their opportunity to get in before a lot of people got their coupons. I was wanting to get their unit but my coupons expire in a few days so I will probably have to get them at Wal-Mart and pay the $10 difference and see how they work. Unfortunately the two that they sell are not the best, one an RCA that does not have as good of sensitivity from what I've read and the Magnavox having an even worse rating (some dead out of the box) although they have better sensitivity on the signals but will not stay locked on them that well and have a worse picture quality.

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I bought two different converter boxes one was the DTVPal and the other was the RCA that Walmart was selling. I love the menus on the DTV Pal, the guide and timers but the DTV Pal cannot hold a decent signal (drops from 70 to 46 on strength meter) and pixalates and stutters when trying to watch. However the RCA converter box I picked up from Walmart while I hate the menu's and the guide I get perfect playable reception at 14% reception (which I imagine equals the same as the DTV Pal) So just from experience the RCA trumps the DTV pal on watchability, but not so much with the on screen menu and guide.

ohioankev said:

So just from experience the RCA trumps the DTV pal on watchability, but not so much with the on screen menu and guide.

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Your having the same problem? And I thought it was a faulty unit as it shouldn't pixelate at 98% signal which is what I'm getting with the DB2 Indoors. Anyone know Dish's return policy because as you said, the RCA basic converter trumps the Pal. Weird thing is using RG59 over RG6 increased the signal strength on every station by +5. Odd.

antenna could be overpowering the tuner. rg-59 has a higer loss rate so it acting like an attenuator.