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The thread title sums it up. I love this new HT receiver/speakers in almost all regards but this one.

I do have a tendency to crank this thing up and lately I have found the limit on several occasions. It happened first when I was enjoying some of my new SACDs. Halfway through the second disk the whole system went completely silent without any warning, the display briefly said "Protection", then it went blank as well. The top on the unit was "egg-frying" hot. I let it cool about 1/2 hour, started cranking again, and within 2 mins. it happened again. After another 1/2 hour cool down I was running again, but at about 10 dB lower (per the inconsequential, relative read-out) than before. These are not ear-ringing levels either, like the front 10 rows at a concert. But they are considerably higher than I would have them with other folks in the room (certainly couldn't carry on a conversation!)

The other evening the thing went into protection again for the first time while I was watching a movie, again at a level I only use when I'm by myself. I believe the instantaneous power demand can be higher for movies in general, but the average is probably lower. I guess the average this time was also too high! In fairness, our weather has taken a turn for the 90s, so the ambient might have been as much as 10 deg. higher than in recent weeks since I got the system running in early May. I don't have air conditioning.

I won't absolutely guarantee it, but I can't believe this is related to any issues with the speakers or wiring since everything sounds great up to the apparent thermal shutdown point. The receiver is only powering 5 speakers. There is only a preamp out for the (self-powered) sub and I don't have any surround backs connected at this time. The Paradigms are nominally 8 ohms, and the receiver is set to match. I have them set for "small", channeling more LFE to the sub. I have the front crossover freqs. set at 80Hz, IIRC.

The receiver is on the top shelf of an open equipment rack and essentially in free air. There is almost nothing above it (my old R-R recorder is on top of it, but only over the front 1/3 of the receiver, and there is airflow between) and there is nothing below it that produces heat.

The evening the unit shut down playing a movie I placed a small 2-speed fan on the top of the receiver with the air blowing down into the receiver to cool it quicker following the shutdown, then I left it running on the lower speed for the duration of the movie. This seemed to give me a cushion - I got through the rest of that movie at only about 5dB lower indicated volume without further issue. Frequent "hand checks" on the top of the receiver proved it was running a good bit cooler, but that was not consistent over the whole top surface.

The next morning, while the ambient was still relatively cool I was playing a CD again, just started from a "cold start", and I had not turned the fan on yet. I was "up there" in volume again, maybe 5dB lower, and within the first song the unit cut out again!

Any suggestions? (Other than "turn it down"...that's no fun, and the darn thing sounds great at those levels!)

I was thinking of getting a pair of 4", 65 cfm, 120vac box fans to position side-by-side on the top on the receiver with the airflow being sucked into the botton and out through the top (reverse of what I have now with that single fan). I want at least 2 fans (there's probably room for 3) in order to spread the cooling over a wider area, over those "hot spots" I detected. For now I'll just run the fans with a switch. Eventually I'll come up with some kind of thermostat instead, perhaps multi-stage them at that time.

Is there anything else out there already that does the same kind of thing? I know about laptop coolers, but I don't think those would be anywhere near enough airflow for this situation, and most of the ones I know about need a USB port for their 5vdc power requirement, something the Sony does not have.

TIA for any advice, and BRgds...
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UPDATE: Found the problem !!

It's called a dead short, or close to it, in one of the surround speakers! The tweeter was working fine, but the mid/bass driver was out almost completely. A DC resistance test measured ~6 ohms on the good surround 2-way cabinet and ~0.5 on the bad one! A battery "click" test on the bad speaker produced only a faint sound when connected momentarily directly to the mid/bass driver, but a solid "scratch" on the good speaker. I don't know how I didn't figure this out sooner just by the sound, or lack of! Duuhhh !!! Maybe because the tweeter still gave some presence from that corner and the mid frequencies are a bit less position-specific.

Anyway, I bought another matching set of the same speakers and replaced both in the surround position. Back in business! I left the receiver set at 4-ohms for now. I am now getting a clean, sustainable volume out of the system without any indication of overheating or protection imminent. The top of the unit gets warm, but not "egg-frying hot" as originally reported. Paradigm repaired the damaged speaker no charge. After I pick it up this week I will place that original pair in the surround back locations when I convert to a 7.1 configuration in the not-too-distant future. Then I'll be completely "BD ready".

I am relatively sure I blew that speaker without realizing it during my "0 dB crank" of Dark Side early in the new HT / SACD experience. Why I didn't realize that for about 2 weeks still escapes me, but that's what happened. There was no audible distortion that might have been a warning so I'm guessing it happened in a sudden spike of power. I admitted to the dealer that it may have been my fault, but apparently Paradigm honored the warranty without questioning the source of the damage. (I'm sure upon "autopsy" the overload was apparent!) A quick check of all the other speakers in the system revealed no other problems. Strange perhaps that I would only lose one driver, but perhaps lucky as well! Interesting too that the cone of the blown driver seemed to have full, unimpeded motion over its range. The only other time I had an experience with a blown speaker (guitar amp) that driver made a "scraping" sound as you tried to push it in; the coil wires had obviously overheated and blistered the insulation causing the interference.

So for now I'll keep the volume a bit lower...just a bit...and keep an "ear" on the sound and a hand on the receiver's lid. I still have fans on order to provide a reliable cooling source for the receiver but perhaps now it's a bit less urgent. Kudos to the Sony 5300 that survived the short with no apparent damage. But only time will tell the full story. (Glad it has a 2-year warranty...!)

EDIT: In post #3 above I postulated that receiver power ratings are somehow different than what I remember from 25 years ago. I found some corroboration! The Sony is rated at 120 W rms/channel (not 130 W I mentioned), but with all 7 channels driven simultaneously the actual is more like 65 W rms ea. max. I'm guessing this is a power supply issue as much as anything. (The unit is rated to draw only 450 watts max. from the mains. How could it be providing 7 x 120 W rms output ??) My Kenwood by comparison is rated at 160 W rms both channels driven. It has "dual power supplies" (tho' only a single - but massive - transformer...)
jvc
jvc
Glad you got it figured out. :)
Enjoy!

Paradigm probably feels the speaker should have held up under the load that was put on it, and they're probably right.

There's only a handful of Blu ray titles that are in 7.1, so you can enjoy BD now, instead of waiting until you configure for a 7.1 setup (unless there's more reasons than that, for waiting).
jayn_j
That says something for your receiver that it was able to drive that low impedence load at all. Mike's short just caused the protection to immediately kick in, and we caught that one right away.

Glad you found the problem. I'm also glad that Paradigm stepped up. Personally, I doubt you were running things past limits, because it would have sounded bad before you got to the point of failure. In addition, these loud level failures are almost always tweeters that get fried. I think this is a simple case of infant mortality that all manufacturers have to live with.
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Hope you're right on that! Maybe the fact that I went with 14 ga. wire vs. 12 ga. "helped" in this situation. Both surrounds have 50' of 14 ga. currently in the loop in anticipation of the final wiring scheme when I decide on a final placement. (I won't need as much - maybe 40' - to run to the surrounds when I go to 7.1, but then I'll use those 50' lengths for the SBs.)

I don't have a lot of experience with the Paradigms, but I find them rather crisp and clean and with no evidence of distortion even at the higher levels I occasionally enjoy, and yes - I do expect them to handle that level at least occasionally/intermittently. As mentioned above I never had any audible indication of any "distress" in a speaker leading up to the short (adding to my desire/enjoyment of the higher level) and hence the extended time it took me to discover the problem. Maybe Paradigm is giving me the benefit of the doubt, or perhaps maybe there was indeed an "infant mortality" in play! Either way, their service is great!

FWIW, in my experience the tweeter issue is more with high volume levels coming from underpowered amps, when clipped signals are more likely. But I could ALWAYS hear that kind of distortion well before any damage resulted. That's one reason I went with the 5300 - 120 w/ch vs 100 w/ch in the 4300 - to get the extra margin of safety from clipping. In the case of lower frequency speakers, I can hear other kinds of distress - like the voice coil form bottoming-out or unnatural "harshness" - in advance of permanent damage. I mentioned above the only time I ever actually damaged a voice coil due to overload, and that one was permanent.

Re: "BD ready" - I went so far as to add the HDMI cable and even name the input on the receiver in anticipation of getting a BD player at some point. But for now I'm strictly enjoying my rather extensive HD-DVD collection (dead indeed!) with both the A2 and A35 connected. (With 6 HDMI inputs, why not ?!?) And I'm getting some titles - some even with TrueHD audio tracks! - for as little as $6 ea. shipped. I won't pull the trigger on BD until Profile 2.0 is released and "affordable" ($250 - $300 ??), and hopefully the titles priced a little more reasonably as well. But that's a topic for another thread...!

Tks all for your comments and support. I might report back when I get the fans running...
S
Glad to hear it's working out!

I've got a pair of Paradigm Studio 60's (little older), and they are NICE. They've been properly broken in by one of my good A/V buddies and I use external amplification for 'em. I'd put them up against any other speaker you can buy for under $3000, they sound that good.
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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH and then if you can't see the western arc you go with streaming versions and then they could keep customers if they had good internet speeds. I mean Sling TV could be changed to Streaming DISH TV if they wanted since both companies are under Echostar. Then you would still be able to use your ota antenna with Air TV devices like I do with Air TV Anywhere with 4 ota tuners.
Scott Greczkowski
I don't know why DISH doesn't just start a streaming version of DISH
I have the same wish.
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Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
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I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
can't forget the little blue m&m's
charlesrshell
can't forget the little blue m&m's
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
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I have the same wish.
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite
NYDutch
Why?
A lot of people do not have fast internet.
That is why they use satellite
DISH will happily sell them a Starlink system and service.
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.
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But how is it reusable if it's disposable
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That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh
dishstaller
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RIP dude. Always liked his music. He was 83


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This video was put up shortly after I was able to take my family out to Yosemite in 2011. No AI.


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Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.


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harshness
When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.
dishstaller
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
Jimbo
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.
T
He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves
arlo
Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.


Opinions may vary.
harshness
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.
The days of the 84-month warranty appear long gone, regardless of brand or where you acquired it. Warranties tend to be shorter, with much greater dependence on quick prorating.

The big problem for lead-acid batteries (whether flooded or AGM) is that the US no longer produces lead (the last smelter closed in 2013) and must import it.

Recycling covers a good chunk of the need (~70%), but it isn't free.
EarDemon
I've always got regular OEM Ford Motorcraft batteries from the dealership and have never really had an issue. On my old Lincoln Aviator (the SUV from the early 00s, not the CUV of today), I had some phantom drain and went though a few batteries, but that was an anomaly and with the standard warranty I got free replacements. Taking the Aviator out of the picture, I've bought two batteries in my 24 years of driving. One battery replacement in my Mountaineer, one in my Navigator. But I probably would have had another one had I kept it around longer. Didn't have the Bronco long enough, and so far still on the factory battery for my Expedition.

I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner. I'm in Buffalo, 90 degree summers and 0 degree winters. Once in a while in the dead of winter I'll get an alert from the Ford app saying remote features have been disabled to conserve battery, but it starts right up.
dishstaller
I run more than the average bear. Dash cam, two radar detectors (yes, I'm aware that can be problematic when using simultaneously), laser jammers and a police scanner.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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College Football Playoff bracket, schedule, scores, rankings ...

The 2025–26 College Football Playoff concluded with the Indiana Hoosiers winning the national championship by defeating the Miami Hurricanes 27–21. [1, 2, 3]

Playoff Results Summary
The 12-team playoff bracket featured the following key results across each round: [1]
    • First Round: Alabama defeated Oklahoma (34–24), Miami (Fla.) beat Texas A&M (10–3), Ole Miss topped Tulane (41–10), and Oregon defeated James Madison (51–34) at higher-seeded campus sites.
    • Quarterfinals: Miami (Fla.) upset Ohio State (24–14), Oregon shut out Texas Tech (23–0), top-ranked Indiana rolled past Alabama (38–3), and Ole Miss edged Georgia (39–34) across the New Year's Six bowls.
    • Semifinals: Miami (Fla.) advanced past Ole Miss (31–27) in the Peach Bowl, while Indiana dominant-defeated Oregon (56–22) in the Fiesta Bowl.
    • National Championship: Indiana secured the title with a 27–21 victory over Miami (Fla.) at Hard Rock Stadium. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Unfortunately, there was not rankings listed in this summary
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AZ.
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.
Jimbo
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.
I think they are actually discussing the Top 8 get a Bye this time, if they go to 24.
Then again, I heard something about Play in games for the 16-24 teams ...

Nothing is official yet, so lots of moving parts ...

Can't wait, lets do 24, 3 years later they will want 32 :sick
Y
And no teams deserve a bye! Injuries are the largest part of the game that you cant practice for them. Any team can suffer the worst injury at any position on any play. No favorites.
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.
Jimbo
While the bye can help the top four teams and those the Cartels would like to protect in the playoff, I think the bye is also about making the Cartel championships mean something. One problem with a playoff is it does diminish the conference title a bit.
Once the 24 gets here, there won't be anymore Conference Championships .... or so they say.

Oh what the hell, we really don't need Conferences anymore either ...:coco:(
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Bobby
Rest in peace. Together again with Spock, Doc, Uhura, and Scotty...
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Rest in peace, Checkov, and Bester too...
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Rest In Peace 😢
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Rest in Peace…