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Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
We are less then six months away to the big digital television transition. Many Americans will need to purchase a digital converter so that they can continue watching off air television broadcasts on their existing televisions.

The new DTVPal Digital Converter from Dish Network is a digital off air converter which converts over the air digital broadcasts to an analog format your older analog televisions can display. The new DTVPal is made by Echostar for Dish Network and is getting ready to hit the streets. I was lucky enough to receive one of the first units from Dish Network to review.

The DTVPal comes in a nicely designed package sporting the smiling DTVPal logo. I know many people were upset when Dish Network announced the name of the unit was changed to DTVPal, as for the technical junkies at SatelliteGuys things of DTV being DirecTV, and Pal being the television standard used in Europe. But I feel that the DTVPal logo looks friendlier then other digital to analog converter boxes, which are on the market now.

The box itself has no mention at all of Echostar or Dish Network, however the converter inside has the DTVPal logo followed by the words "by DISH Network" silk-screened on it. In addition the remote control that is packaged with the unit has the Dish Network logo printed on it as well.

Unpacking the unit you open the box and a greeted by the DTVPal User Guide, which shows you how hooking up the DTVPal is as easy as 1,2,3! Taking a quick look through the 38-page manual I can see it is well written and shows you how to use all the features of the unit. The manual is repeated again after the English instructions in Spanish. The manual even goes as far as telling you how to use the converter with services such as TV Guide On Screen so that you can record shows from the DTVPal on your VCR.

Below the manual packed in the box is the DTVPal converter, a AC adapter to power the unit, the remote control, a 3 foot coax cable and two AAA batteries.

The DTVPal box is small, smaller then a VHS cassette, on the top of the box is the DTVPal logo, on the front of the box is a DTV Tuner logo and on the right hand side of the box is a Dolby Digital Logo, which is surprising to me since the box does not have any Dolby Digital outputs.

The rear of the box has the following connections:
- Off Air Antenna In (COAX)
- TV Set Out (COAX)
- RCA Audio / Video Outputs (note no RCA Cables are included)
- Strange looking two-prong power adapter connector.

On the bottom of the box are the barcodes with the serial number for your units, an UL seal of approval, a few patents are listed and it's also noted that the converter is manufactured under a license from Dolby Laboratories.

True to its word the hookup of the DTVPal is really as easy as 1,2,3.

To set it up hook it up to your antenna in on your TV and tune your TV to channel 3. Within seconds of plugging the unit it you are taken to the friendly setup screen, which walks you through the rest of the setup. (Note you can change the channel output to channel 4 in the setup process.)

A few seconds after entering my zip code in the setup screen I was watching television!

I was actually VERY pleased with the reception I am picking up in my office. For my testing I am using my Touchsmart PC as my television monitor, this computer has a built in TV tuner and the TV tuner is tuned to channel 3. For an antenna I am using an antenna I paid $2 for at a computer show. My office is on the 29th floor of an office building in downtown Hartford, Connecticut. Regular television has been hard to pick up here in the office.

I am very pleased that the DTVPal is picking up every one of the digital channels listed on AntennaWeb.Org on the yellow and red category! I have done this test with a Zenith DTV converter and an RCA DTV converter and did not have this kind of success in my office.

The picture quality is really good, including the down conversion of HD programming. This could be the highest quality video some folks will ever seen on their old standard definition televisions!

The DTVPal has memory for the picture format and can display the HD content in normal 16:9 mode, Full screen which stretches the picture to fill the full 4:3 screen and zoom which zooms in on the middle of a 16:9 picture.

The DTVPal also features a built in Closed Caption decoder, you can turn on and off the closed captions with a press of the down arrow button on the remote. In the settings you can change the size and color of the on screen text.

The guide seems to be grabbed from the channels PSIP Data, on some channels there was full guide data over 10 hours into the future, while other channels displayed "No Information Available" however tuning to some of these channels would fill in the guide data displayed on the top of the screen in the banner bar. All of the major channels had guide data and I was impressed that there was as much guide data as there was.

Channel changing was very snappy. The user interface was very simple to use and matches the interface found on many Dish Network satellite receivers.

The remote control is small but very well laid out. It seems to be about the same said of a Dish 6000 remote. It is comfortable to hold and the button locations are very well laid out. The DTVPal remote is NOT a universal remote as the remote only controls the DTVPal, again it not control your TV. The volume control on the remote adjusts the volume coming from the DTVPal converter. Out of all the DTV converters I have used so far the DTVPal remote is the best laid out and easiest to use.

One very unique feature that sets the DTVPal apart from other boxes is it has an analog pass-through button that lets you to bypass the DTVPal and let your TV's built in tuner to tune in analog stations. This is great for those stations in your area which are not broadcasting in digital yet, you can still watch them without unhooking the DTVPal to view them, and in addition many low power analog stations will continue broadcasting in analog after the big digital television transition, the DTVPal will let you enjoy these analog broadcasts as well!

The DTVPal also has other features I haven't seen on other DTV converters including the ability to search the guide, the ability to set timers, or the ability to be controlled by TV Guide On Screen (TVGOS).

While I have only had the DTVPal in my hands for a few hours, I am very impressed with it. Its tuner has been able to pick up DTV stations in my office, which no other DTV converter I have tested has been able to. Its on screen interface is friendly and easy to use (and if you're a Dish Network customer you will feel at home with the DTVPal. About the only thing I can pick on with the DTVPal about is that it features the Dolby Digital Logo on the front of the unit, yet the unit has no Dolby Digital outputs.

Unlike other boxes I have tested the DTVPal is well thought out for the future, other boxes seemed like they were rushed to the market just to be "digital converters" but the Dish Network DTV Pal is well thought out, easy to use and contains features I have not seen on any other converter.

Non-technical folks will find the DTVPal easy to use and well laid out. The DTVPal even offers some great on screen help plus even gives owners a toll free number if they should need help.

In the realm of Digital Converters, there are Digital Converters and then there is the DTVPal. The DTVPal with its amazing tuner and polished user interface makes it one of the best digital converters out there today.

The DTVPal is eligible for the governments DTV coupon program that will get you $40 off the cost of the unit. (If you haven't done so already you can CLICK HERE to apply for your $40 government coupons!) It is expected that the DTVPal will begin shipping to customers sometime on or around June 19th.
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DtvPal and 625 in same room..what are my remote options?

I finally got around to installing my DtvPal and I knew I would have an issue with the 625 remote interfering with the DtvPal converter in the same room, based on what I've been able to learn from this thread. Has there been a workaround found for this problem? Thanks.
pabeader
I finally got around to installing my DtvPal and I knew I would have an issue with the 625 remote interfering with the DtvPal converter in the same room, based on what I've been able to learn from this thread. Has there been a workaround found for this problem? Thanks.

no known issue. just change the 625 over to a different remote code and you should be set.
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no known issue. just change the 625 over to a different remote code and you should be set.

How is that done? I've looked through the menus on the 625 and I evidently missed the remote control code setup.

Nevermind, I found it in the 625 manual.
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Comparison of DTVPAL, TR-40 CRA, and DTVPAL plus

I obtained a TR-40 CRA and DTVpal+ from mail order. The TR40 had software
version F105TCGH-N, boot version 1813TCGH. The dtvpal+ had software version
F106TCHB-N, boot version 1813TCHB.

Recent retail store sales still had the DTVPAL F101TCGH-N, boot version 1812TCGH with the event timer flaw.

The good news is that the F105 and F106 both have the fix for the timer problem. So it seems you can buy those models with confidence. Apart from that, all three really did seem to be functionally identical. Not much more to say about that.

The DTVPAL+ claims to be better at weak signals. Here's what I did to test that: I put two boxes (at a time) next to each other, both powered, and merely switched the antenna from one to another with minimal disturbance, to see the difference in picture. I used an unamplified antenna and tuned in the weakest VHF and UHF digital stations I could get a picture at. This seems to have been just right, it got me right around the 55-60% signal strength where my picture breaks up often, but there's still nearly always a picture. This way I could see if there was any difference in quality of screen. I did not find the dtvpal+ to be better than the other two. In fact, it was my impression that, at least for the worst of the two stations, the TR40 was slightly (about 3%) better.

Unfortunately I could only get these two stations into the 60% signal strength where I could visually see how the box did. Two is not the sample size I was hoping for. So your stations, in your house, may be completely different. But if someone asks me if they should expect the dtvpal+ to get improved reception to be worth the additional $30, I say no. And until I hear of a dtvpal updated from F101, or dtvpals being sold that are either F105 or at least later than F101 to have the timers fixed, I'd say TR40 is the device to buy and put the savings in your better-antenna fund.
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I obtained a TR-40 CRA and DTVpal+ from mail order. The TR40 had software
version F105TCGH-N, boot version 1813TCGH. The dtvpal+ had software version
F106TCHB-N, boot version 1813TCHB.

Recent retail store sales still had the DTVPAL F101TCGH-N, boot version 1812TCGH with the event timer flaw.

The good news is that the F105 and F106 both have the fix for the timer problem. So it seems you can buy those models with confidence. Apart from that, all three really did seem to be functionally identical. Not much more to say about that.

The DTVPAL+ claims to be better at weak signals. Here's what I did to test that: I put two boxes (at a time) next to each other, both powered, and merely switched the antenna from one to another with minimal disturbance, to see the difference in picture. I used an unamplified antenna and tuned in the weakest VHF and UHF digital stations I could get a picture at. This seems to have been just right, it got me right around the 55-60% signal strength where my picture breaks up often, but there's still nearly always a picture. This way I could see if there was any difference in quality of screen. I did not find the dtvpal+ to be better than the other two. In fact, it was my impression that, at least for the worst of the two stations, the TR40 was slightly (about 3%) better.

Unfortunately I could only get these two stations into the 60% signal strength where I could visually see how the box did. Two is not the sample size I was hoping for. So your stations, in your house, may be completely different. But if someone asks me if they should expect the dtvpal+ to get improved reception to be worth the additional $30, I say no. And until I hear of a dtvpal updated from F101, or dtvpals being sold that are either F105 or at least later than F101 to have the timers fixed, I'd say TR40 is the device to buy and put the savings in your better-antenna fund.

Great review. Thanks for the testing! Here's an idea - how about degrading your signal with splitters to make your better channels marginal?
TheKrell
Or use one (or more in series) of those attenuators that come with dual-tuner receivers?
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osu1991
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
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Another Tulsa King spin off.🙄
But.....if you like Tulsa King....looks like you would probably like this as well. I don't mind spin-offs as long as they don't involve a sassy niece who moves from the big city :rolleyes:
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I thought I would come here and find lots of complaints about the update to the dish anywhere mobile app, but am not seeing any. It used to look just like the desktop webpage. Now you can no longer filter by sports channels or movie channels. Plus that they made it look like a big button telephone and you see fewer channels in the screen which requires more scrolling. Yes I realize you can look at sports then select which sport you want to look at, I just liked being able to see all sporting events in the guide with all other channels being filtered out. Am I alone in the wilderness on this?
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Juan
Not alot of dish customers any more
Foxbat
I'm not a big fan of the new layout, especially on my Apple TV. It used to look like the old Guide layout on the Hopper 3, but they changed parts of that, too.
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I really dislike change for the sake of change
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.

I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Jimbo

Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
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Howard ...
You don't like Tony, or Tony as the Director (he's only been there for 30 seconds now) or you don't like NCIS ?
Tony as the director.🙄
Jimbo
Tony as the director.🙄
Would you rather have LaRoche ???
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I liked this episode and a toned down Tony...
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Would you rather have LaRoche ???
No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
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No. Bring in someone new.🤔 Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...

Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)

Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.

Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.

It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
dishstaller
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Might be worth a watch when it comes out. Looks like typical big corp against the little guy movie BUT....there is a reason this plot type is so oft repeated, it draws audiences.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-f9OGsKHd4
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dishstaller
BTW, I noticed right after I posted this that someone else had already mentioned it....sorry for the duplicate thread. Still looking forward to seeing the movie.
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If you're going try to read / listen to the book (can't recommend the audio book enough) before this comes out, I'd avoid trailers.

Trailer below, spoiling it to make sure you read the above bold message first. The book / audio book are fantastic. Go into this blind if you can IMO!




Kind of disappointed at how much they show. A lot still to see, but man, some good reveals in the book that are just served up here.
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I've seen it twice. Can't recommend the audio book enough, Ray Porter's performance is amazing and there's so much more in the book than the movie.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
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Forgot to comment. I did watch when it first came out on MGM. I enjoyed it a lot. I think reading the book made it easier to watch. Several friends commented it was a little hard to follow.
TRG
TRG
"astrophage". I read the book but didn't see the film yet.
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"Project Hail Mary" should be on Prime Video starting Friday, July 3.
That's what I will be watching this weekend.🤗
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Kindle book on sale for $2.99 today at Amazon.
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.........there's so much more in the book than the movie.
I agree. That can go for pretty much any book vs movie. Back when I was single I would read any Stephen King or John Grisham book I could get my hands on. When you read a book you make up the scenes and characters in your mind.....the movie version always disappoints.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
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Selfish Drake Maye holds back on giving the ball to Bills unlike Jags game, gets the win on the road.
A big win for the Patriots, and they are now 3-2.

Browns lose a close one with... The Jets. That is a classic Browns loss (granted, any loss is a classic one it seems). 49'ers, Vikings, and Chiefs remain undefeated. The AFC north have a three way tie at 3-2 for second place. :eek:
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
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Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.
After having experienced Gus Ferguson trying to call soccer games, I'm uncertain why NFL football analysts get hate. Even the "worst" of them are pretty good.
meStevo
Jalen Hurts out indefinitely as they treat and monitor a superficial blood clot in his leg.


View: https://x.com/RapSheet/status/2111074303185989663?s=20
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I had quit watching this show years ago because I ended up more annoyed than entertained. Well......I'm STILL more annoyed than entertained. I DO find it interesting to see how things work behind the scenes at many businesses. What annoys me is how utterly out of touch CEOs are with the companies they run. At the end of almost every episode the head of the company is amazed at how hard the employees have to work and many times have to work around impossible guidelines set forth from headquarters.

I found this one interesting because the new CEO had big plans for this company, Muscle Maker Grill, and it looked like the stores were all pretty busy. Recent history hasn't been good to this company however. I bet the covid lockdowns were the real killer.


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Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Tickle Me (Dirty, Dirty Feeling) - Elvis Presley
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