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Bruce Grodner

Last reply Sep 2, 2004 · posted in Old YAHOOGROUPS - VOOM! Archives

[VOOM] Re: Sears WILT

[VOOM] Sears

I went into my local Sears yesterday to see how they were promoting and showing off VOOM. It was very startling to say the least. They had the VOOM receiver on the bottom shelf in a very narrow aisle. You would not know it was VOOM unless you already had a unit because you couldn't possibly see the logo. The salesman could not display the VOOM picture for me even though HDNET from the Dishnet receiver was being displayed on every TV simultaneously. He said that there was some kind of problem with the signal and the VOOM people were coming back tomorrow. Pretty lame.
They did have the VOOM starter kit and VOOM info on display but he was unable to discuss it with me because he knew nothing about it. He wanted to talk about the Dishnet and the Dishnet brochures were right next to VOOM's. I was trying to find out about the current special for a free second receiver I read about. I don't think that special actually exists.
SEARS as the main retail outlet is an impediment to VOOM's growth. They will do much better with small HDTV specialty outlets I believe. WE would all be more successful than SEARS at signing people up.

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SpringsGuy

Sep 2, 2004

MARKET VOOM AT CIRCUIT CITY, SOUNDTRACK, BEST BUY.. THEY SELL MORE HDTV'S THAN FREAKIN SEARS. The sooner voom gets there service shown at the major retailers than the sooner voom will get the subscribers they are looking for. Thats my perspective atleast.

thegrod

Sep 2, 2004

I have been a sales manager for years and when you have resellers with two lines and they are only promoting one, this is called "shelving" the line. Basically means that they are not selling the line and eliminating a competitor from the playing field. Almost seems they have a strategy to promote Dishnet to the detriment of Sears.
VOOM would be better off to have a field sales team of dedicated, knowledgeable independents. I inquired about becoming a dealer as I sell and install HDTV systems and it seemed the perfect match. I got back some kind of mindless response, almost like a standard form letter referring me to a distributor in Long Island I believe. The distributor never responded.
I'd like to see these folks be successful because I like their programming package and I personally don't care for the other pizza guys. Since I've had a BUD since 1983 and sell Big Dish programming also I am almost irrationally negative about DirecTV and Dishnet. VOOM is much more of a Videophile's choice and SEARS is not even close to being an ideal Videophile outlet. Even Best Buy would be much better. Of course, they are not available since DirecTV is what they push.
Problem is, it's almost impossible to contact a real knowledgeable person in Marketing, Engineering, etc.
The CSR's are nice and courteous but they don't know squat.
----- Original Message -----
From: berockin1
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:04 AM
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Sears WILT

Hey Wilt, I commented on Sears being lousy a few weks ago. ie.
uncalobrated discontinued TV etc you said you'd pass it on ...
Everytime I ask the sales guy to change the channel he says only
HDNews is available.
Is that true ? Worldsport, Rush or ESPNHD would probably get more
attention on the sales floor. Does Sears have the ability the show
more than HDNews ???

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, TYORK <TYORK.1byjfw@n...> wrote:
>
> same here in indy i went to fix there voom last week and it was on a
> very small tv in a narrow aisle but they said to me that it was
cause
> there were remodeling . and again they had d* on all the hd tv's I
am
> sure Voom will not put up with this very long.
>
>
> --
> TYORK

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Wilt Hildenbrand

Sep 2, 2004

I did pass it on, as I did the others today.
They should have much more than HD news.
Thanks,
Wilt

-----Original Message-----
From: berockin1 [mailto:berockin1@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:04 AM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Sears WILT

Hey Wilt, I commented on Sears being lousy a few weks ago. ie.
uncalobrated discontinued TV etc you said you'd pass it on ...
Everytime I ask the sales guy to change the channel he says only
HDNews is available.
Is that true ? Worldsport, Rush or ESPNHD would probably get more
attention on the sales floor. Does Sears have the ability the show
more than HDNews ???

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, TYORK <TYORK.1byjfw@n...> wrote:
>
> same here in indy i went to fix there voom last week and it was on a
> very small tv in a narrow aisle but they said to me that it was
cause
> there were remodeling . and again they had d* on all the hd tv's I
am
> sure Voom will not put up with this very long.
>
>
> --
> TYORK

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thegrod

Sep 2, 2004

MessageWilt, I forwarded an email to you the other day after I got the suggestion from the Satellite Guys. I will send you a new one. I need your help please.
----- Original Message -----
From: Wilt Hildenbrand
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:09 AM
Subject: RE: [VOOM] Re: Sears WILT

I did pass it on, as I did the others today.
They should have much more than HD news.
Thanks,
Wilt
-----Original Message-----
From: berockin1 [mailto:berockin1@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:04 AM
To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [VOOM] Re: Sears WILT

Hey Wilt, I commented on Sears being lousy a few weks ago. ie.
uncalobrated discontinued TV etc you said you'd pass it on ...
Everytime I ask the sales guy to change the channel he says only
HDNews is available.
Is that true ? Worldsport, Rush or ESPNHD would probably get more
attention on the sales floor. Does Sears have the ability the show
more than HDNews ???

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, TYORK <TYORK.1byjfw@n...> wrote:
>
> same here in indy i went to fix there voom last week and it was on a
> very small tv in a narrow aisle but they said to me that it was
cause
> there were remodeling . and again they had d* on all the hd tv's I
am
> sure Voom will not put up with this very long.
>
>
> --
> TYORK

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williamhunteman

Sep 2, 2004

--Voom and Sears:
Sounds to me like Voom has been on a fishing
trip, and never bothered to put some bait on the hook.
I like Voom and I enjoy HD very much. If you don't
bother to bait the hook, you will never catch any fish

- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "thegrod" <bruceg@h...> wrote:
> I have been a sales manager for years and when you have resellers
with two lines and they are only promoting one, this is called
"shelving" the line. Basically means that they are not selling the
line and eliminating a competitor from the playing field. Almost
seems they have a strategy to promote Dishnet to the detriment of Sears.
> VOOM would be better off to have a field sales team of dedicated,
knowledgeable independents. I inquired about becoming a dealer as I
sell and install HDTV systems and it seemed the perfect match. I got
back some kind of mindless response, almost like a standard form
letter referring me to a distributor in Long Island I believe. The
distributor never responded.
> I'd like to see these folks be successful because I like their
programming package and I personally don't care for the other pizza
guys. Since I've had a BUD since 1983 and sell Big Dish programming
also I am almost irrationally negative about DirecTV and Dishnet.
VOOM is much more of a Videophile's choice and SEARS is not even close
to being an ideal Videophile outlet. Even Best Buy would be much
better. Of course, they are not available since DirecTV is what they
push.
> Problem is, it's almost impossible to contact a real knowledgeable
person in Marketing, Engineering, etc.
> The CSR's are nice and courteous but they don't know squat.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: berockin1
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:04 AM
> Subject: [VOOM] Re: Sears WILT
>
>
> Hey Wilt, I commented on Sears being lousy a few weks ago. ie.
> uncalobrated discontinued TV etc you said you'd pass it on ...
> Everytime I ask the sales guy to change the channel he says only
> HDNews is available.
> Is that true ? Worldsport, Rush or ESPNHD would probably get more
> attention on the sales floor. Does Sears have the ability the show
> more than HDNews ???
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, TYORK <TYORK.1byjfw@n...> wrote:
> >
> > same here in indy i went to fix there voom last week and it was on a
> > very small tv in a narrow aisle but they said to me that it was
> cause
> > there were remodeling . and again they had d* on all the hd tv's I
> am
> > sure Voom will not put up with this very long.
> >
> >
> > --
> > TYORK
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nelson61 said:
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
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Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

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Tuesday at 10:17 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

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Tuesday at 10:22 AM

Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

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Tuesday at 11:30 AM

Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

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Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

Just a guess on my part but there may be some value to aquring to get all the retransmision agreements that are in place even though at some point they need to be renewed

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Last reply Today at 4:36 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

110/119 Listings Post 129 Transition (Updated 11/01/2026)

Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!

A couple of pieces of info:

Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
- 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
- 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
- 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
- 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
- 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
- 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.

There are two transponders that have lower than normal SD channels – 110, TP 21 and 119, TP 19. Previously those transponders contained the programming guides that get downloaded from the satellite when the receivers download EPG. I assume that is where the programming guides are still downloaded from, thus less channels there.

When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.

Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:

During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
- At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
- At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.

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zippyfrog

Tuesday at 5:11 PM

Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now. TP 02, 04, 06, 08, 10 were all functioning as Spotbeams as of last week, but now they are ConUS.

This means all 21 transponders that Dish has access to at 119 are now ConUS.

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dishrich

Tuesday at 9:34 PM

zippyfrog said:
Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now.

Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?

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zippyfrog

Yesterday at 5:20 AM

dishrich said:
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?

Nope - TP 1-13 are still ConUS on 110. Which is crazy...there are so many different spotbeams on the new 110 satellite compared to the older 110 or 119. Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now? If so, it looks like TP 1-13 are coming from the old satellite at 110 and 14 onward are spotbeams on the new satellite.

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dishrich

Yesterday at 12:47 PM

zippyfrog said:
Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now?

Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?

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zippyfrog

Yesterday at 6:07 PM

dishrich said:
Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?

Here was a comment by nelson61 last year:

nelson61 said:
EchoStar 23 (Conus beam) will still be at 110W so there can be some Conus beam coverage from 110W depending on how many transponders they use for the spots.

In the same thread, he gave all the kml files for the spotbeams to put on Google Earth, and it looks like there are a lot more spotbeams per transponder available than the old satellite. My gut is that there is just a more technilogically advanced satellite, and can handle more channels.

I would love an analysis of how many channels could be fit on all the spots!

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dishrich

Yesterday at 8:36 PM

zippyfrog said:
My gut is that there is just a more technilogically advanced satellite, and can handle more channels.

My only trouble with that explanation, is the fact that they are wasting at least 1 TP (TP 10, to be precise) on a local market (part of the Chicago locals are on that TP) that could be used for more CONUS channels (namely more HD!)

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zippyfrog

Today at 4:36 AM

dishrich said:
My only trouble with that explanation, is the fact that they are wasting at least 1 TP (TP 10, to be precise) on a local market (part of the Chicago locals are on that TP) that could be used for more CONUS channels (namely more HD!)

I ran the Schedule S through ChatGPT to analyze the data quickly, and according to ChatGPT, the 16 transponders currently being used for SpotBeams on 110 is all that has been authorized by the FCC. So Dish might be using TP 01-13 for ConUS on 110 for the foreseeable future. If that is the case, Dish has a ton of space to bring in more HD channels nationally or use that bandwidth for something else.

I know my lists aren't perfect as I can't see all the test channels and behind the scenes channels, but for channels available to subscribers - there are no channels on 119 TP 01-08 and 10; and on 110, TP14 has only 4 channels. With Dish putting 16 HD channels per transponder right now, that is about 145+ slots for HD channels that are available if Dish does keep 110 as ConUS for TP 01-13.

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No AI? No Search! Google's Education Controversy #shorts

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Today at 3:22 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

RTX Spark Laptops: $7,000 Disappointment?

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