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Just noticed HD Enabling Fee on my bill from Dish

It is 7 bucks. They indicated it is because I have a 622 and 722 receiver, even though I do NOT subscribe to their HD programming

They told me that took effect in May

Frankly Dish is really starting to piss me off with the nickel and dime they have been doing.
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What I recently found interesting about the "HD Enabling Fee" is, even though I placed my account on "Dish Pause," as I'm in the middle of a move that's going to take several weeks to complete, they're charging me the fee...

I'd otherwise be annoyed with this but, the Acct Specialists I worked with managed to work some magic in the system that partially mitigated the cost. Still, I'd imagine anyone who's on pause and expecting a $10 bill while receiving a $17+ bill would be slightly miffed.
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Allin4greeN said:
What I recently found interesting about the "HD Enabling Fee" is, even though I placed my account on "Dish Pause," as I'm in the middle of a move that's going to take several weeks to complete, they're charging me the fee...

I'd otherwise be annoyed with this but, the Acct Specialists I worked with managed to work some magic in the system that partially mitigated the cost. Still, I'd imagine anyone who's on pause and expecting a $10 bill while receiving a $17+ bill would be slightly miffed.
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Charlie wants his money back on his subsidy of the ViP's NOW, not later. I'm giving you Chuck's view on this, not mine.
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Regarding Chuck's HD Enabling fee: Let's all keep in mind that the Tivo Series 3 HD DVR (the closest like-model to the 722) is MSRP at $799.99 (really $800). The series 3 has less capicity, no sat tuners, no PIP, much slower, guide and menu operations etc., while the 722 has all this and faster operation, and Dish retail on the 722 is about HALF (can be found at $425-$450) the price of the Tivo Series 3. Even if one is a Tivo fanatic, one cannot deny the much lower cost of the 722 and NO additional $13 per month charge by Tivo to keep the Series 3 from being a doorstop.

Charlie says he is subsidizing the cost of the 722 for both leased and retail owners. Considering the cost of the Tivo Series 3, Charlie's claim could very will be true. From Charlie's POV, that is why he is charging the HD Enabling fee if you do not subscribe to HD programming. Subscribe to HD programming, and the HD Enabling fee goes away. Chuck wants his subsidy back in some manner, by programming preferred because you are getting something (HD programming) in exchange for returning his subsidy. Charlie hopes you stay with Dish Network for a long time, that is how gets the subsidies back.
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DishSubLA said:
Charlie wants his money back on his subsidy of the ViP's NOW, not later. I'm giving you Chuck's view on this, not mine.
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I suppose that it makes business sense. However, when one is paying $17/month to effectively "brick" a receiver, and it would be roughly the same price, or less, to simply drop to something like the SD Essentials Pak (~$9.99) + the HD Enabling Fee, you gotta start to wonder why would E* charge the fee to a customer on "Pause" at all? They're already recouping a lease fee, and then some, with the Dish Pause Fee ($10)... Given that I subscribed to AEP and purchased a fair amount of PPV's over 5 years or so, I think that I've more than helped Charlie to subsidize the 622 that's sitting in bubble wrap on my otherwise empty apartment floor.

Anyway, I'm not really upset about it at this point, especially since I'm not paying the full freight on these fees. I was just pointing out my experience to share with others.

harshness said:
Have you found someone who's blowing them out for significantly less?
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Yeah, the MSRP DishSubLA quoted isn't entirely accurate at the moment. See Series 3. There's currently a $200 discount going on. I was looking at these in case I have to switch to cable. LOS is still a question mark at the place I moving to. My hope, of course, is that I won't have to switch to Comcast, because I really like my 622 and 211, and E*'s programming/prices, especially compared to what I'd get and be paying with Comcast. Even though I feel this way, I'm still not prepared to absolve E* for the endless fees :)
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DishSubLA said:
Regarding Chuck's HD Enabling fee: Let's all keep in mind that the Tivo Series 3 HD DVR (the closest like-model to the 722) is MSRP at $799.99 (really $800).
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The Series 3 replacement is the Tivo HD and can be found for $199 with an MSRP of $299.
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MSRP is nothing but marketing price - you can't compare different product by it; better use street/Internet prices including eBay.
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MSRP is nothing but marketing price - you can't compare different product by it; better use street/Internet prices including eBay.
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MSRP is not purely marketing. Cost of production does influence, however little in some cases, MSRP. ECONOMICS, my friend. Companies don't just pick a price out of the sky as you imply. Their price point is arrived at by economic formulas. Then they can add to the price for reasons of "value" such as the Sony brand or if they think the kiddies are gonna line-up and by the i pods at any price, hence a new higher price point.

But business economics are very much a part of the MSRP. If it costs too much to manufacture, then the MSRP will be too high and the product won't sell, just like the Tivo Series 3. Tivo had to go back and manufacture a lower priced DVR with less capicity and bells and whistles for a lower MSRP. They could have saved themselves the additional costs of manufacturing a new unit by just slashing the price of the Series 3, but they couldn't because the Series 3 cost too much to manufacture. Comparable products can have a huge difference on MSRP because there are economies of scale, quality of parts, etc. There is a reason Vizio TV is inferior and costs much less than, say, a Sharp TV, and it is related to quality and the higher cost of producing and superior product.
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Does the OP have a HDTV, or is he just using the 622/722 for additional memory storage, or is he one of those people who don't see the need for HD channels to replace the magnificance of stretched SD content? I guess I'm just not getting why you would ever be charged the enabling fee (either get HD programming or settle for a much cheaper box).
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jeslevine said:
It is 7 bucks. They indicated it is because I have a 622 and 722 receiver, even though I do NOT subscribe to their HD programming

They told me that took effect in May

Frankly Dish is really starting to piss me off with the nickel and dime they have been doing.
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Well now you have no excuse but to buy an HD TV. That's why your economic stimulus check was sent to you by Congress, lol.
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Allin4greeN said:
I suppose that it makes business sense. However, when one is paying $17/month to effectively "brick" a receiver, and it would be roughly the same price, or less, to simply drop to something like the SD Essentials Pak (~$9.99) + the HD Enabling Fee, you gotta start to wonder why would E* charge the fee to a customer on "Pause" at all? They're already recouping a lease fee, and then some, with the Dish Pause Fee ($10)... Given that I subscribed to AEP and purchased a fair amount of PPV's over 5 years or so, I think that I've more than helped Charlie to subsidize the 622 that's sitting in bubble wrap on my otherwise empty apartment floor.

Anyway, I'm not really upset about it at this point, especially since I'm not paying the full freight on these fees. I was just pointing out my experience to share with others.

Yeah, the MSRP DishSubLA quoted isn't entirely accurate at the moment. See Series 3. There's currently a $200 discount going on. I was looking at these in case I have to switch to cable. LOS is still a question mark at the place I moving to. My hope, of course, is that I won't have to switch to Comcast, because I really like my 622 and 211, and E*'s programming/prices, especially compared to what I'd get and be paying with Comcast. Even though I feel this way, I'm still not prepared to absolve E* for the endless fees :)
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The MSRP is accurate according to Tivo's own website. However, discounts and deals and bundles can be found for almost any product, but that is NOT MSRP. I cited the MSRP, not any retailer's discounted price nor Tivo's own internet discounts.
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kb7oeb said:
The Series 3 replacement is the Tivo HD and can be found for $199 with an MSRP of $299.
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Tivo HD is not a replacement model for the Series 3. Tivo HD is am alternative model that is less expensive with less capacity and less features than the high-end Series 3 that has some really good cutting edge stuff. Series 3's are still available for sale in many forms and still supported by Tivo.

Furthermore, the Tivo HD is not comparable to the 722 as the 722 greatly outclasses it; The series 3 is the closest comparable to the 722.

I think we may have some Tivo fans feeling defensive. In my view, the current Tivo products for HD (Series 3 and the cheaper Tivo HD) and the current Dish HD STB's aren't really comparable from my personal view. One is designed for OTA and Cable Card cable systems and the other for OTA and satellite. The Series 3 is a really appealing model except, for me, it can't receive satellite and can't record 3 signals at one time (this may have changed, but I do recall this limitation from the user guide. I may be mistaken), and the high price. Price is the big deal-breaker. And please add the additional $13-$14 per month to keep the Tivo alive after spending the cash for even a discounted Tivo product.
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Scott Greczkowski
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Show Don't Tell - Rush
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Show and Tell - Al Wilson
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On with the Show - The Rolling Stones
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The Show Must Go On - Pink Floyd
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If Love Must Go - Dobie Gray
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Scott Greczkowski
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SiriusXM announces 25 Holiday Channels for 2026

Some of the channels start next week.

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SiriusXM Delivers the Soundtrack to the Holidays with Its Festive Lineup of 25 Handcrafted Seasonal Music Channels

Lineup features channels produced and presented by celebrated personalities and iconic brands, including Jimmy Fallon, Hallmark,…...
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My favorite is probably Holiday Pops.
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It's not even Halloween yet.
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Susan Saint James, Emmy-Winning Star of 'Kate & Allie' and 'McMillan & Wife,' Dies at 80

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Susan Saint James, Emmy-Winning Star of ‘Kate & Allie’ and ‘McMillan & Wife,’ Dies at 80

Susan Saint James, the Emmy-winning actress who starred in "Kate & Allie," died Monday after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. She was 80.
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Rest in peace.
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Sorry to hear this. R.I.P.
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R.I.P.
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My Mom was a huge McMillan & Wife fan.

RIP
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At least 64 dead in Spanish passenger train collision

Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain<!-- --> | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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House Passes AM Radio For Every Vehicle Act

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House Passes AM Radio For Every Vehicle Act

(Washington, DC) - The U.S. House has passed the AM Radio for Every Vehicle Act, marking a major step forward for broadcasters and listeners who have pushed to keep AM radio available in new cars and
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It's probably been 2 decades since I've listened to an AM radio station. Very rarely listen to FM any more.
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dishdude said:
Very rarely listen to FM any more
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That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
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That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
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Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
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Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
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No, just regular FM stations. One is the country station I mentioned and the other is a Talk Radio station which used to get fantastic results but honestly, since the death of Rush Limbaugh, talk radio just doesn't do as well. There were two guys who had an early morning show which was hugely popular here in the southeast but one of them retired a couple years ago and the show just doesn't garner the same numbers as it used to.
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Haven't listened AM or FM in years
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If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
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You knew the answer before you asked it.

I can't recall having encountered a local ad on Sirius, and I don't imagine it is any different on XM.
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DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/21/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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For those dazn nba channels are they sat only or sat & streaming
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Both, and they just made it official with a multiyear deal that also includes TV Everywhere authentication for the DAZN app, and commercial distribution.

DIRECTV, the premier provider of digital television entertainment in the United States, and DAZN, the world's leading sports entertainment platform, today announced a new multi-year distribution agreement for local telecasts of Cleveland Cavaliers, Indiana Pacers, Memphis Grizzlies, Minnesota Timberwolves, and San Antonio Spurs games for DIRECTV streaming, satellite, and U-verse customers in each team's respective NBA-designated home territories.

These DAZN telecasts will be available to DIRECTV customers who subscribe to the Choice or higher packages and to U-verse TV customers who subscribe to the U200 or higher package. Each of DAZN's team services provides live pregame, postgame, and in-game coverage for the respective team.

In the coming weeks, customers who receive access to these teams via DIRECTV will also be able to login to the DAZN platform at no additional cost using their DIRECTV login credentials.

This agreement also provides distribution rights to each of the five NBA teams to all of DIRECTV FOR BUSINESS' thousands of sports bars, restaurants, fitness clubs, and other commercial venues located within each team's respective region.
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DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 28 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 28 2026 vs Oct 21 2026:


No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 15 TID 12 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 13

2 Previously unused Transponders with current APG records::
Net 0 TID 28 Beam NAT + PR is a National Transponder on D16@101, TPN 29
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
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1449​
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SD mpeg2​
434​
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Audio​
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Push​
26​
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Slate​
19​
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TEST Streams​
National​
Spot Beams​
Count​
Change​
Count​
Change​
4K​
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HD​
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SD mpeg4​
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SD mpeg2​
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The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files
A few remaps
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters
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Weekly Analysis for 10/28/2026:
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ElectionHQ mixes testing with BBC News, CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC, MSNOW, NewsMax and NewsNation

Some more reshuffles

Updating the TMSIDs for KSBI and KQCW to use the cable feeds with Thunder games instead of the OTA feeds

An additional commercial PPV channel is now on 9530
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Amazon Echo Show 16: Now this is it!

Time for another AWESOME video from BoredAtWork!


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Can You ACTUALLY Use the Mazda CX-90 PHEV As an Electric Commuter? | Baseline Challenge

Time for another AWESOME video from TFL Electric Vehicles!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-HYgO5Lpa8


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Apple's All-New iPad mini

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtLJGwEtyT0


Direct YouTube Link - Apple's All-New iPad mini
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Strega said:
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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Jimbo said:
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
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Mister B said:
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
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can't forget the little blue m&m's
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slow_poke_pete said:
can't forget the little blue m&m's
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That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
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Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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charlesrshell said:
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
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My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh
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telstar_1 said:
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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He does not have the resources aka $$$ compared to Elon Musk as in reality, Elon can eat Charlie for lunch or even mop the floor with Charlie if he wanted to.
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ment to 20 yrs dam phone
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Dish should use both satellite and internet like they do now for all channels. Use either or or both.... like now but subscribers could choose something like internet only, or sat only, or both.
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BradleyD said:
Dish should use both satellite and internet like they do now for all channels. Use either or or both.... like now but subscribers could choose something like internet only, or sat only, or both.
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They have sling tv wich sucks ass it needs a major upgrade
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