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Last reply Jul 14, 2008 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

AT&T to drop Dish contract

I did not see this one coming! I wonder if they are upset that they could not reach a merger agreement..

AT&T to drop Dish contract - Dallas Business Journal:

Telecom giant AT&T Corp. will end its current contract to sell a product bundle that includes satellite broadcaster Dish Network Corp.'s television packages, the satellite TV company announced Tuesday.
The contract, originally signed in 2003, is set to expire Dec. 31.
Englewood, Colo.-based Dish (Nasdaq: DISH) has been the bundle partner of AT&T in some parts of AT&T territory but not in others. AT&T previously had offered competitor DirecTV's programming in its bundle in the southeastern United States, a holdover arrangement from when it was Bell South territory prior to AT&T's acquisition of Bell South. But AT&T switched to Dish Network there in April.
AT&T has let it be known it plans to pick one bundle partner -- either Dish Network or DirecTV -- nationally before the start of next year.
DirecTV (Nasdaq: DTV), controlled by John Malone's Englewood-based Liberty Media Corp., is the nation's largest satellite television programmer, with 16 million households.
Dish Network, founded by Charlie Ergen, is the nation's second largest, with nearly 14 million subscribers. The company makes set-top boxes for AT&T's U-verse digital television sold in some areas over the company's broadband connection.
On June 12, AT&T (NYSE: T) told Dish Network to pay back $500 million plus interest in debt notes held by an AT&T subsidiary. It's not clear if that decision was connected to AT&T's negotiations about the terms of a new satellite TV partnership.
San Antonio-based AT&T last week said it plans to move its headquarters to Dallas by the end of this year. The company currently employs about 16,600 people in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.
Web site: www.att.com

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gadgtfreek

Jul 1, 2008

Its not that I think this is necessarily bad news, its just that Dish is like the US govt right now on the international scene. They cant do anything right or get any good press. Meanwhile D* is sitting VERY pretty. Spin it how you want, but Dish really needs some positive moves and fast. I think a big step forward(once the new sats up) would be to add a few more national HD's and announce they were passing thru native resolution and going after FIOS. Anything less will just keep them as D*'s ***ch for a long time.

navychop

Jul 7, 2008

I believe the Fios version of FTTP can carry more than 4 HD streams today. Anybody know how many?

rad

Jul 7, 2008

navychop said:
I believe the Fios version of FTTP can carry more than 4 HD streams today. Anybody know how many?

Verizon's FIOS system is basically just a cable type system that uses fiber to the home, it sends all channels to the home and the STB picks which one to view. So there is no limit to the number of HD streams you can view in your home.

UVerse is IPTV based and because of the limited bandwidth going into the home only the actual channel(s) being viewed/recorded are sent to the home. On the single copper access to the home it has been 4SD and 1HD stream, but it looks like you can ask for a 2SD and 2HD profile. Once they start to roll out VDSL pair bonding they will be able to increase those limits.

navychop

Jul 13, 2008

If you lose signal from the wind, your dish was not set up right.

Let me know how UVerse works for you, when you're recording 2 HD programs while watching a third, like I often do.

broadcasttheworld

Jul 13, 2008

navychop said:
If you lose signal from the wind, your dish was not set up right.

Let me know how UVerse works for you, when you're recording 2 HD programs while watching a third, like I often do.

Wow how much TV does one need to watch! I agree 2 HD streams and 2 SD streams per house is low. But I think the features keep it ahead in the race over dish. The whole house DVR, Bundled VOIP, 10Mbps DSL, and seemless interaction between all of the services. Being able to pause a show on the big screen and walk up to the bedroom and resume is a huge plus for me and im sure many....

broadcasttheworld

Jul 13, 2008

rad said:
Verizon's FIOS system is basically just a cable type system that uses fiber to the home, it sends all channels to the home and the STB picks which one to view. So there is no limit to the number of HD streams you can view in your home.

UVerse is IPTV based and because of the limited bandwidth going into the home only the actual channel(s) being viewed/recorded are sent to the home. On the single copper access to the home it has been 4SD and 1HD stream, but it looks like you can ask for a 2SD and 2HD profile. Once they start to roll out VDSL pair bonding they will be able to increase those limits.

I know I read somewhere that Verizon FTTP is going IPTV in 2009. I think they acutally ran out of bandwidth since all channels were broadcast plus the high speed DSL. I don't think the fiber is maxed since fiber can currently carry over 1TB of data I think the equipment is maxed. However moving to IPTV over fiber would allow for high bitrate HD up around 10Mbps or higher per stream against AT&Ts max of 6.5Mbps..

I think the copper service "FTTN" runs at 30Mbps total with 2 X 6.5Mbps HD streams 2 X 1.5Mbps SD feeds, 10Mbps DSL, leaving only 4Mbps for VOIP and if your like me and have 2 lines I think I will be pushing the limits. I think using "Pair bonding" they can get 45 or 50 Mbps per house using 2 copper drops but I don't know anyone that is using that yet.

socalpanman

Jul 13, 2008

elwaylite said:
Its not that I think this is necessarily bad news, its just that Dish is like the US govt right now on the international scene. They cant do anything right or get any good press. Meanwhile D* is sitting VERY pretty. Spin it how you want, but Dish really needs some positive moves and fast. I think a big step forward(once the new sats up) would be to add a few more national HD's and announce they were passing thru native resolution and going after FIOS. Anything less will just keep them as D*'s ***ch for a long time.

You make it sound as if the bad press is groundless. Bad moves are producing bad results and people are noticing and so the bad press. That's the simple truth. It's frustrating watching a company that had so many good things going completely blow it. Banks/investors and stockholders will soon follow with concerns, downgrades and devaluation. If Charlie and E don't soon mend their ways the marketplace will soon make them another footnote.

navychop

Jul 13, 2008

broadcasttheworld said:
... The whole house DVR, Bundled VOIP, 10Mbps DSL, and seemless interaction between all of the services. Being able to pause a show on the big screen and walk up to the bedroom and resume is a huge plus for me and im sure many....

Yep, those features would interest me too.

mike752

Jul 14, 2008

Oh wow! I know many people that have the DISH/AT&T bundle. This is not going to work out well at all, especially if AT&T signs with DirecTV.

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Last reply Today at 12:37 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

I think we could all use a laugh - Rodney Dangerfield on Carson

Good...simple humor. Enjoy

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Not Rodney, but a laugh ...

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:58 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

How things have changed

I was reading this article

Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022

The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…

thehill.com

That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.

And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.

Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.

There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.

In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.

Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.

Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.

So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households

So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.

That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.

But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.

Imagine what 2024 will be like.

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Bruce

Friday at 8:58 AM

And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Jimbo

Friday at 11:08 AM

Bruce said:
And again, 15 months in a row, streaming wins-

Cable and Broadcast added together-36.4%

Streaming with a massive 49.6%, 13.2% higher than Broadcast/Streaming.

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Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

You have services like Hulu Live and You Tube TV that do, what you call Cable, but they ARE Streaming, so Which is is ?

Does it get counted 2x as both Streaming and Cable ?

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Jimbo

Friday at 1:16 PM

But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...

Bruce

Friday at 1:31 PM

Jimbo said:
But they ARE Streaming as well, so they Should be counted as both, which would make the Streaming numbers even More prominate.

Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...

Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.

Jimbo

Friday at 3:11 PM

Bruce said:
Same.

Ratings for streaming content is extremely accurate, since the service knows who is watching what and when, when we hit ok on our remotes.

Ratings for Broadcast/Cable shows has always been a estimate.

If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?

If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.

Bruce

Friday at 3:30 PM

Jimbo said:
If I flip thru shows on an app, 3-4 in a few minutes, does that still show that I watched the whole episode ?

If I watch the Super Bowl for 5 minutes, does that count as watching the Super Bowl ?
Is it the same if I just watched the Commercials.

Nielsen Streaming Ratings: Third-party measurement firm Nielsen tracks U.S. streaming viewership, releasing weekly reports that measure total minutes viewed across major television sets, broken down by program (such as original, acquired, and movie content) rather than minute-by-minute audience retention curves.

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savarese04

Saturday at 1:09 PM

Jimbo said:
Your Still Thrilled about all this ?

These numbers will Never be accurate as many people use Both still ...

Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.

Jimbo said:
Q.
Who does the Counting for Streaming ?

Neilson does the Broadcast/Cable ...

Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.

Jimbo

Saturday at 2:50 PM

savarese04 said:
Nobody is "happy" or "sad" about this. Simply posting data in an non-editorialized way has nothing to do with anyone's feelings.

The data on the streaming side is immensely accurate, I'm guessing to the millisecond. Plus most people likely have not turned off data sharing and thus they are grabbing a huge swath of data. Much more accurate than cable which relies on a smaller sample size and probably not to the second.

In either case, nobody is getting "double counted" because it's usage based. If I watch 100 minutes of content and 30 minutes is on Youtube and 20 minutes on Disney and 50 minutes on YTTV, it's going to show up as 30%, 20%, 50% slices of my personal pie respectively.

Nielsen does. If you go into the settings of any of your streaming accounts, you can turn off the option to share to usage data with their third party measuring service - Nielsen.

I have turned some off, not others ...

Jimbo

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 11:58 PM

Jimbo said:
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Funny thing is that as the screen size and pic quality increase, the quality of the programming has DEcreased.

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Ramy

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Last reply Yesterday at 11:10 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

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Yespage

Monday at 3:04 PM

You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

Jimbo

Monday at 9:19 PM

Yespage said:
You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

No, I was actually referring to outside of the Top 8, but should have been Top 12 ...

I guess I should have looked at the bracket from last year first ...

I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

Ronnie-

Tuesday at 7:24 AM

Jimbo said:
I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.

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AZ.

Tuesday at 7:53 AM

Ronnie- said:
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.

Yep, wonder why we rank the top 25 in 2 poles still? Do the ranking change much if they are unranked or have many loses? They sure do, any given day never take your opponent as a cake walk.....

Jimbo

Tuesday at 8:20 AM

Ronnie- said:
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.

Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time ....however .
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

They are trying to make this Basketball and its a far cry from the way that is played.

How long till they go to 32 teams ? Then they will say, well, the NFL is 32 teams, we can make more money that way .... except the NFL is 32 teams, that are a set number of teams and divisions, you don't have that in College ... oh but they will try.

They would have to choose what teams they would want in and thats it.
Hopefully that NEVER happens.

I can see the NCAA going away and the CFP taking that portion over and a Collective Bargaining agreement coming in the not to distant future.

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rvvaquero

Tuesday at 8:45 AM

The problem with rankings and playoffs is that they are designed to hype the game and make money. Period.

The only reason that BYU and Texas Tech were upsets is that they were hyped up in the standings in the first place. I love watching BYU and Bear Bachmeier. They are a fun and talented team, but not nearly so strong, fast, big, and skilled as a true top ten team. Does anyone truly believe they could compete with the likes of Georgia, Ohio State, Indiana, Alabama, etc.? Yet, they were ranked above those teams.

Each year, there are 10 to 12 teams who truly could compete for the championship if it depended on winning more than one game in a playoff. Including teams like James Madison, Tulane, BYU, etc. in a playoff has nothing to do with determining a national champion. It's just about money.

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Ronnie-

Yesterday at 7:26 PM

Jimbo said:
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time

Yes. As shown in a few posts now.

Jimbo said:
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

.

But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.

I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.

With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:10 PM

Ronnie- said:
Yes. As shown in a few posts now.

But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.

I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.

With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.

No, no ... if you want to make the playoffs, you want to Win it ... If you want to Win it, you need to Win 4-5 games in a row against Top 10 teams for the most part, theres a Possibility you'd play someone out side of the Top 10, but not much.

The Playoffs is a 4-5 game Win or Go Home.

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