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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV General Forum
I read somewhere that DirecTV will try to extend your contract for any little reason they can think of: If your box goes bad and they send you a new one; If you upgrade from an SD receiver to an HD one; If you subscribe to new programming; If they have to come to the house and repair anything even though you pay for a maintenance plan, etc… I understand that the contract should not let you take anything away from what you initially agreed upon without penalty, but if I get a new plasma TV for another room and want to upgrade to an HD receiver, or suddenly decide I want to add a subscription sports package, I don't feel that the two-year clock should start ticking from scratch again. Is any of that true? What if you start the contract by paying them i.e. $120 a month, then add stuff that takes it to $200 a month, and then take away some stuff so it's down to $150 a month? Even though you're still paying them more than you initially agreed to, will they still try and stick it to you somehow or extend your contract with every change to service you make? I am of course a newbie with fears about switching from no-contract cable, and I'm imagining nightmare situations where a two year contract can turn into many. One of the reasons I want to switch from cable is for Sunday Ticket, and if I switch this summer and DirecTV loses Sunday Ticket in 2010, I want to be able to jump ship to whoever has it then without being caught by DirecTV's hooks. Actually, I don't want to be stuck past two years without the option to leave for any reason. Please let me know if any of my fears are true or what can be done to minimize or eliminate them if they are. Thanks!
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stogie5150
All one has to remember with D* when it comes to contracts is: YOU PAY.

YOU PAY upfront.
YOU PAY every month.
YOU PAY if a receiver goes bad. (and you don't pay the racket,er..Protection Plan, that is.)
YOU PAY if your dish needs tweaking.(and you don't pay the racket,er..Protection Plan, that is.)
YOU PAY if for some reason D* decides to change programming or moves to equipment that you don't like, tough, YOU PAY, to end the contract.

As long as one is okay with the constant YOU PAY, they have a great product.

OH, they DO pay for you to send the equipment back to them that YOU PAID up front for, so that's something, I guess.;)
Jimbo
All one has to remember with D* when it comes to contracts is: YOU PAY.

YOU PAY upfront.
YOU PAY every month.
YOU PAY if a receiver goes bad. (and you don't pay the racket,er..Protection Plan, that is.)
YOU PAY if your dish needs tweaking.(and you don't pay the racket,er..Protection Plan, that is.)
YOU PAY if for some reason D* decides to change programming or moves to equipment that you don't like, tough, YOU PAY, to end the contract.

As long as one is okay with the constant YOU PAY, they have a great product.

OH, they DO pay for you to send the equipment back to them that YOU PAID up front for, so that's something, I guess.;)

VS DISH Network or any other provider.
You have a way to get your TV programming for FREE ????

Please tell us how !
There ain't no FREE TV (outside of FTA, but you don't have the choices available to the others)

Jimbo
stogie5150
VS DISH Network or any other provider.

My local cable company doesn't do any of that...they fix my lines for free, my signal doesn't washout in thunderstorms, if I leave they don't charge me a fee, when I began service they didn't charge me a fee, and that was just for internet. For basic TV service one just cannot beat cable. And we have Charter here , for goodness sake.

Oh, BTW, I have no experience with DISH so I refrain from commenting on that. I had 11 years with D*, installed all my systems myself from 1996-2007 except for my Slimline ( I had a broken arm, I couldn't do it), which I had to end up repeaking myself anyway because the 103 wasn't available here when they installed the dish, I've had about 10 different receivers and DVR's in that time, so I know just a bit more about D*.


You have a way to get your TV programming for FREE ???? Please tell us how !
There ain't no FREE TV (outside of FTA, but you don't have the choices available to the others)

Jimbo

Yes, FTA. And yes, its not for everyone. Just those of us that are tired of being raped by the satellite companies. :cool:
Jimbo
My local cable company doesn't do any of that...they fix my lines for free, my signal doesn't washout in thunderstorms, if I leave they don't charge me a fee, when I began service they didn't charge me a fee, and that was just for internet. For basic TV service one just cannot beat cable. And we have Charter here , for goodness sake.

Oh, BTW, I have no experience with DISH so I refrain from commenting on that. I had 11 years with D*, installed all my systems myself from 1996-2007 except for my Slimline ( I had a broken arm, I couldn't do it), which I had to end up repeaking myself anyway because the 103 wasn't available here when they installed the dish, I've had about 10 different receivers and DVR's in that time, so I know just a bit more about D*.




Yes, FTA. And yes, its not for everyone. Just those of us that are tired of being raped by the satellite companies. :cool:

Curious, What does Charter charge for your HD package ? Your HD DVR fee ?

Jimbo
Ronnie-
Curious, What does Charter charge for your HD package ? Your HD DVR fee ?

Jimbo
Lol, there are NO fees at all with cable.:rolleyes:
Jimbo
Lol, there are NO fees at all with cable.:rolleyes:

Normally they give you great rates while the promo last and then you get the surprise when you see your bill once the promo expires, making Sat much cheaper in the long run.

Jimbo
stogie5150
Curious, What does Charter charge for your HD package ? Your HD DVR fee ?

Jimbo

I have no idea, because I don't get TV from my cable company. But from the mail they barrage me with, yes its more per month than the satellite companies, but no up front, no protection racket plan every month, free replacement if a box goes bad, no contract renewal if the box goes bad and I have to replace it, I'd bet its danged close if you go out the same two years.

The point of all this is to let prospective subs know that Directv is NOT "the shining city on a hill" that it used to be. And anytime someone blindly supports Directv I will be there to tell MY story, and let them make their OWN decision.
R
I have no idea, because I don't get TV from my cable company. But from the mail they barrage me with, yes its more per month than the satellite companies, but no up front, no protection racket plan every month, free replacement if a box goes bad, no contract renewal if the box goes bad and I have to replace it, I'd bet its danged close if you go out the same two years.
Stogie5150
You are correct about cable vs. D over a 24 mo period. I did the math for HD DVR's with HD programming and posted it in another thread, but here it is again with a couple revisions.

With TWC I have 2 HD DVR's and pay $14/mo/DVR ($8/HD DVR + $6 DVR Service) + $3/mo for 4 extra HD channels (HDNet Movies, UHD, Etc). Over a 24 mo period TWC totals $744.

D charges $199/HD DVR x2 - $99 promo = $299 and then $6/mo for DVR service, $10 for HD + $5 for 4 Extra HD Channels (HDNet Movies, UHD, Etc). + $5 lease fee. Over a 24 mo period, it totals $923.

To do a fair comparison, in the DFW area with my TWC package including HBO & Showtime), only gives me 29 national & local HD channels (not counting "On Demand", Cinemax or Starz HD channels). Below is my actual cable bill for last month of $103. Add the taxes/fees of $18 and it totals $131/mo.

D with the Plus HD DVR package, premiums & locals (comparable to what I have with TWC) will give me 49 HD Channels. For D, after you get done spreading the initial HD DVR cost over 24 mos, the Plus HD DVR package with service contract is $96 vs. $103 for TWC. If you back out my two cablecards $6, it's about equal.

I still plan to switch to D in the fall for all the HD sports, but there is one thing that is a bit misleading. They advertise 95 HD channels, but with the Total Package, including all premium and RSN's there is actually 80 HD channels, plus your locals. To get to 95, they add 15 HD pay per view channels. With TWC counting pay per view, Cinemax and Starz HD channels, they offer 43 total HD channels. So D still has more then double the HD Channels that I can get now.



Monthly Charge(s)_______________Amount

08/01 - 08/31
Pick 2 Pays (HBO & Showtime)-------------- 22.00

08/01 - 08/31
High Definition Tier -------------------------- 3.00

08/01 - 08/31
Classic Digital Package----------------------- 43.95

08/01 - 08/31
Cable Card ---------------------------------- 2.95

08/01 - 08/31
Cable Card ---------------------------------- 2.95

08/01 - 08/31
Dual Tuner HD DVR W/rm -------------------- 13.95
Includes HD Receiver At $5.95 And DVR Service At $8.00

08/01 - 08/31
Dual Tuner HD DVR W/rm --------------------- 13.95
Includes HD Receiver At $5.95 And DVR Service At $8.00

Subtotal----------------------------------- 102.75
Ronnie-
but there is one thing that is a bit misleading. They advertise 95 HD channels, but with the Total Package, including all premium and RSN's there is actually 80 HD channels, plus your locals. To get to 95, they add 15 HD pay per view channels. .

They do advertise it as such though.
R
They do advertise it as such though.

Not sure what you meant by, "They do advertise it as such though". I get solicitations in the mail from them D the time. It always says "95 National HD Channels" with an asterisk*. Then you look at the footnotes and it says:

*To access DIRECTV HD programming, HD Access fee ($9.99/mo.), a DIRECTV Slimline Dish, HD receiver, and HD television equipment are required. Number of channels varies by package.

It took me a while to figure it out, until they recently updated their website. Now it shows a listing of 95 HD channels under "HD Channels" tab on the D website.

In addition, I wouldn't consider "Pay per View" to be National channels. So that is what I think is a bit evasive and misleading. They still have the most HD channels, so that is an accurate statement.
Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Dancing in the Street - Van Halen
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Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
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Bakers Street - Gerry Rafferty
Let me fix that for you:
Baker Street - Gerry Rafferty
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The 59th Street Bridge Song -- Simon & Garfunkel
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52nd Street - Billy Joel
osu1991
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Bobby
Rest in peace.
sdfntx
Sorry to hear this. R.I.P.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
My OTA is not working anymore. This started after the latest update. I have the OTA dongle with a OTA antenna that I've been using for years. My hopper does not recognize the dongle anymore and when I go to the OTA setting, it has a screen that says to plug a dongle into the USB. I tried unplugging and plugging back, in the same usb port and other ports. The Hopper does not recognize it. Anyone have same issue?
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dishstaller
Installed an off-air antenna a couple days ago for a customer who had just cancelled his Dish service. He had a dual off-air adapter and gave it to me. Cool. I'll keep it on the truck....might come in handy. Got to admit I don't watch anything as far as live tv goes anymore. Even if we have severe weather, our local channels will have a live feed on Youtube.
navychop
In other news, it was announced that the software fix for the two tin cans and a string will not be forthcoming. A hardware fix is required. However, that fix will let you receive stations from a gazillion miles away.

Truck roll charges may apply. Two year commitment required.
brittanygarden
Hi all. If you were using a single tuner USB OTA adapter that is no longer working, please PM me. Thanks. :)
Jim5506
Hi all. If you were using a single tuner USB OTA adapter that is no longer working, please PM me. Thanks. :)
I have the dual tuner OTA adapter currently connected, but I have 2 of the single tuner OTA adapters that I can quickly connect - neither is seen by my H3.
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Got the dual tuner OTA adapter, was able to set it up and get back my OTA channels. Thanks to everyone and extra thanks to the DISH reps in this forum!
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meStevo
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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rvvaquero
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
Y
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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b4pjoe
Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.
rvvaquero
Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.
meStevo
Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.
HipKat
Balls
Bears. Gave the Pats a good beatdown.
Bucs. Got Baker back and absolutely demolished the previously surprising Panthers.
Falcons. Took care of the 49ers and did so convincingly.
Vikings. I hate them. I do. I've never seen such a bad/good team. Know what I mean? I know their D is epic. But their O is insulting. How they remain undefeated is a mystery.
Rams. Finally looked the part. Mind you against the hapless Cards.
Cowboys. Fireworks performance from their O.
Dolphins. Finally logged in a W. There won't be many. Enjoy it, Miami fans.
Browns. Still atop the AFC North.
Giants. Epic OT win with Buffalo's very own Motor Singletary finishing it off.
Seattle. Dominated KC from start to finish.

Goats
Jets. Couldn't beat the winless Dolphins. Aaron Glenn is a dead man walking.
Eagles. Injured beyond repair
Ravens and Lamar. Has he ever played a full season? Honestly, dude is fragile. Of course he's back for the Bills game.
49ers. No longer undefeated.
Colts. A sh*t show. When are they gonna realize that Daniel Jones is ass?
Steelers vs Saints game. Ass, just ass all around. Those poor people in Paris have had enough lately, and on top of that, endure that game.
Chiefs. They looked terrible. Like really bad.
Pack vs. Detroit game refs. Some of the worst refereeing I've seen in a long time. And the sample is pretty large.
M
Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
navychop
I truly hope you are right.
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Mister B
What bothers me is the total waste of broadcasting spectrum in this very crowded market. It has been almost three years now since KFOX converted their broadcast tower to ATSC 3.0 and moved all of their channels to other towers causing noticeable degradation of the picture quality.
I have a Sony TV with 3.0 capabilities but still use the 1.0 version of locals due to the fact that one or all of the 3.0 channels are often missing or unwatchable. In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.
The only thing that could motivate me to be interested in 3.0 would be if all of the minor networks (diginets) could be in at least 720P rather than blurry ultra-compressed 480i.
Three years is long enough to waste one of the few available RF frequencies in the area for this trial.
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.
navychop
In this city of 800K I doubt that more than a few hundred even know about ATSC 3.0.

They might notice the hand going into their pocket for their wallet.
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navychop
It is time to either move on with this experiment or call it quits.

QFT. Of course, my preference involves a curb and some kicking.
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star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
WHAT ABOUT THE INTERNET PART OF IT. NO ONE WANTS A BOX CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET EITHER.
TRG
TRG
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Last reply · posted in Local Radio Discussion
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dishdude
It's probably been 2 decades since I've listened to an AM radio station. Very rarely listen to FM any more.
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Jimbo
I am 1 that wants the AM to Stay ....
That said, since '08 I have had Sat radio available to me ... I think I have turned on AM 3 or 4 times, just to see if its still there.

Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
Even FM, I haven't really had on since '13ish, I may turn it on from time to time, just to see if its still there.
harshness
Fwiw, if theres a Major disaster or bad weather or whatever, the chances of me finding out about it by going to the AM side of the radio is SLIM and None.
Automation has seen to that. You can't get evening drive traffic reports where I live, much less disaster reports.
dishstaller
Very rarely listen to FM any more
That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
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That goes for a lot of people. I've been advertising on radio for more than a decade now and am very familiar with this subject. While it is still a valuable tool, it has far less impact than it did just a few years ago. The best reaction I get is from a local Country music station....they play a mix of older and newer music and have a very big footprint.
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
dishstaller
Do you do any Ad's on Satellite ?

If Not, why not, because it's not Local ?
No, just regular FM stations. One is the country station I mentioned and the other is a Talk Radio station which used to get fantastic results but honestly, since the death of Rush Limbaugh, talk radio just doesn't do as well. There were two guys who had an early morning show which was hugely popular here in the southeast but one of them retired a couple years ago and the show just doesn't garner the same numbers as it used to.
S
Haven't listened AM or FM in years
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JSheridan
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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S
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
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Jimbo
Even if you are broadcasting old SD-only shows, I would think advertisers would still want their commercials to look good.
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
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Mister B
Advertisers on SD channels are probably Far and Few, very hard to find, they have very few viewers to watch them.
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
S
I watch mostly SD channels (H&I, Start and ION, etc.). There are plenty of advertisers, this time of the year it is mostly Medicare Advantage plans, auto extended warranties and the occasional walk-in-tub. They know who is watching.
can't forget the little blue m&m's
charlesrshell
can't forget the little blue m&m's
That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
T
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
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Foxbat
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
Because he didn't have a fleet of reusable rockets. Starlink works because SpaceX is able to launch hundreds (thousands?) of their Starlink satellites for what a single geostationary Internet satellite costs to build and launch on a disposable launcher.
T
But how is it reusable if it's disposable
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That's what my wife calls my Viagra!!
My gf is 29 years younger than me :shh
Almighty1
Why didn't Charlie end up launching starlink
He does not have the resources aka $$$ compared to Elon Musk as in reality, Elon can eat Charlie for lunch or even mop the floor with Charlie if he wanted to.
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ment to 20 yrs dam phone
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