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MrDRC
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Im getting a complete overhaul on my 6 year old 500/300 setup and legacy Dish 6000 and two 2800 receivers.

Dish gave me a great upgrade deal on two 622's and one 612 plus they are bringing a new dish, 1000.2, to eliminate my two dish setup.

I'm having them install the new dish in a different location where I previously ran underground conduit. I am going to pull some runs of RG6 through the conduit prior to the installers arrival monday.

Im not up to snuff on the separator/diplexor issues and wondered how many runs of RG6 to pull through the conduit? I know each receiver needs two feeds but I am thinking a seperator will take one RG6 cable and split it at each receiver location to feed both tuners?

I can easily pull 6 runs of RG6 through the conduit which would eliminate the need for separators but I am thinking that is a waste, is it?

Any help would be appreciated.
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MrDRC
Thats what I needed to know. Thanks much!

Im using Canare L-5CFB with the matching Canare F connectors. Im pretty sure its sweep tested to 2250Mhz. Its really great stuff and I have used a lot of it throughout my Home Theater and at my lake house. I will strip and terminate all the connections myself.

One other question regarding the ground block. Can the ground block be placed at the dish location? That would save me from running a ground wire through the conduit but I would obviously need a ground rod installed there. Or, can you ground to a neutral bar in a sub panel? I am having the new dish installed on my workshop which has its own 50 amp sub panel. The neutral/ground bar goes directly back to my main panel which is tied to my ground rod.
T
Thats what I needed to know. Thanks much!

Im using Canare L-5CFB with the matching Canare F connectors. Im pretty sure its sweep tested to 2250Mhz. Its really great stuff and I have used a lot of it throughout my Home Theater and at my lake house. I will strip and terminate all the connections myself.

One other question regarding the ground block. Can the ground block be placed at the dish location? That would save me from running a ground wire through the conduit but I would obviously need a ground rod installed there. Or, can you ground to a neutral bar in a sub panel? I am having the new dish installed on my workshop which has its own 50 amp sub panel. The neutral/ground bar goes directly back to my main panel which is tied to my ground rod.


Well, a dish guy cant open a panel and ground in there. thats outside his lane.

there are special rules in the NEC concerning "ground rods" and how they are connected to the electrical system to be valid. most are not.

a ground block can be grounded to a piece of conduit coming off an electriacal panel by an installer - that is commonly done. the conduit and panel are connected to ground in most cases.

so what im thinking you can do it:

put your dish on your workshop, put ground blocks NEAR your electrical panel in the workshop - run the cables from the dish to there (must be include the grounding messenger wire). connect the #10 green ground wire from those ground blocks to the electrical panel conduit. then run all the cables from those ground blocks thru your underground conduit to your receivers in the house.

all cables coming FROM the dish MUST go to the ground block BEFORE going to a receiver.

this would make a code install.

get it?
J
IF grounding is to satisfy most areas local codes, it must be in common with the electrical circuit used to operate your receiver.
T
IF grounding is to satisfy most areas local codes, it must be in common with the electrical circuit used to operate your receiver.


that also is outside of a "dish guys" lane. there is no requirement for an installer to ensure that your electrical system meets those requirements. he is merely required to ground the system to an approved source.

as a former electrician; all grounds and netruals in the system are tied together at the service entrance anyway. thats why a "ground rod" system is supposed to be "properly" installed to accomplish this (they often are not).

grounding to the sub-panel in this case is more than adequate. anything more is splitting hairs.
MrDRC

Yup...I got it.

Im familiar with NEC. I had to pass a test to wire my own home. There is a local code here that lets homeowners qualify as a quasi-electrician. If you can pass the test at the building inspectors office you can permit the job and wire your own home.

My ground rod is 8' long by 3/4". I sledge hammered that monster in by myself so I know its right. My meter box, main panel and sub panel all tie back to it. I know the Dish installer wont mess with my panel but I have no problems doing it myself since I originally permitted it.

Thanks for the really great info. Much appreciated.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Last reply · posted in Computers and Gadgets
Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.
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arlo
A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.
dishstaller
That's all I got.
That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks
TRG
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
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b4pjoe
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.
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I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc
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…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.
The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.
harshness
If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

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Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.
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dishstaller
Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

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Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.
dishstaller
Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.