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lemosley01

Last reply Jul 20, 2008 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Building a new house and have some questions about satellite install

We met with the company that will be doing the structured wiring in the house that is being built. He indicated that the roof drop will include 3 runs of cable, but that E*/DTV were actually wanting up to 5 to allow handling HD?

I was under the impression that I would only need 1 or 2 cable drops from the dish to handle SD and HD?

All cable terminates back to a central location. We are planning on having a dual tuner DVR in one room, a single tuner DVR in another, and possibly one or two other non-dvr SD boxes in two other rooms (in the future).

Also, can I use a single run to the dual-tuner DVR then use a diplexer to split the signal to the two tuners in it (and will this still allow HD?), or do I need to have two actual runs from the satellite switch (sorry, don't know the terminology)? We had two runs from the switch in the old house to service the dual-tuner DVR.

My current plan is to have 2 cable outlets in the room that will have the dual-tuner DVR - one outlet will feed the DVR, the other will be used to feed the signal from output 2 back to an RF modulator so the other TVs in the house have access to that tuner.

Thanks for any help - we're not at the point where we MUST make the decision, but that will be happening in the next month or two and I want to be prepared.

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Chris Freeland

Jul 20, 2008

You might also want to run some conduit from your roof to your distribution panel, this way if your needs change in the future you can easily add or subtract cables easily as needed. I too plan on building a new home in the next year or so and this is what I plan on doing. I am also thinking of doing FTA satellite eventually in addition to E* or D* and ota. Also my local power company is running fiber for a smart grid system and will add phone, cable and faster broadband service via fiber starting in early 2009, once it reaches my new house I may switch from satellite to this new service depending on price, channel and package line up available at that time. I want my structured wiring system as future proof as possible.

cgtyoder

Jul 20, 2008

I built a new house 4 years ago, and did all the coax/Cat5 wiring myself. I have a "network room" in the basement, where all the drops in all rooms terminate - a "star" topology. The 2 coax cables coming in from my DishPro sat dish are then routed through the house to the room with my 722 unit, and then 1 more coax comes back down to the network room (so - 3 total coax lines to the room with the 722 unit), where it is attached to a multi-way splitter, which goes to many rooms - I can switch cables from any room around. Same idea if you had more tuners (and, if you have the RF remotes for the additional single-tuner units, put the tuner(s) in the network room, run the output to a splitter and have that go to multiple rooms at once).

When the Dish installers come to install the new DishPro/Plus, they will provide the (2 runs for my 722) coax from the DishPro itself to wherever in your house (at least that's what they did for me) as part of the install. You shouldn't need to have your wiring company pre-place the coax outside of your house. If you're unsure, call Dish or a local installer and ask what is provided in the standard install package.

brewerdude

Jul 20, 2008

don't skimp on cabling at this point - put in way more than you'll think you'll need.

also make sure you put in plenty of cabling for speakers. and if you're buidling a paitio/deck, don't forget about wiring out there.

Claude Greiner

Jul 20, 2008

Chris Freeland said:
You might also want to run some conduit from your roof to your distribution panel, this way if your needs change in the future you can easily add or subtract cables easily as needed. I too plan on building a new home in the next year or so and this is what I plan on doing. I am also thinking of doing FTA satellite eventually in addition to E* or D* and ota. Also my local power company is running fiber for a smart grid system and will add phone, cable and faster broadband service via fiber starting in early 2009, once it reaches my new house I may switch from satellite to this new service depending on price, channel and package line up available at that time. I want my structured wiring system as future proof as possible.

Conduit is a good idea!

I bought some orange flex conduit used for fiber optics and have a seperate conduit run to each box so I can fish additional cables in the future!

Andrewwski

Jul 20, 2008

cgtyoder said:
I built a new house 4 years ago, and did all the coax/Cat5 wiring myself. I have a "network room" in the basement, where all the drops in all rooms terminate - a "star" topology. The 2 coax cables coming in from my DishPro sat dish are then routed through the house to the room with my 722 unit, and then 1 more coax comes back down to the network room (so - 3 total coax lines to the room with the 722 unit), where it is attached to a multi-way splitter, which goes to many rooms - I can switch cables from any room around. Same idea if you had more tuners (and, if you have the RF remotes for the additional single-tuner units, put the tuner(s) in the network room, run the output to a splitter and have that go to multiple rooms at once).

When the Dish installers come to install the new DishPro/Plus, they will provide the (2 runs for my 722) coax from the DishPro itself to wherever in your house (at least that's what they did for me) as part of the install. You shouldn't need to have your wiring company pre-place the coax outside of your house. If you're unsure, call Dish or a local installer and ask what is provided in the standard install package.

Yes, you want the wiring company to place the wiring for the dish. Either you get the wires ran to that location before the house is finished, and everything is nice, neat, and easy; or you have Dish Network come out, drill through the side of your house, and staple cables up the side. Your choice. I say run everything first.

It's not a bad idea to run conduit from your wiring room to both the basement and attic. By doing so, you should have a way to run any cables in the future should you need them.

cgtyoder

Jul 20, 2008

Andrewwski said:
Yes, you want the wiring company to place the wiring for the dish. Either you get the wires ran to that location before the house is finished, and everything is nice, neat, and easy; or you have Dish Network come out, drill through the side of your house, and staple cables up the side. Your choice. I say run everything first.

It's not a bad idea to run conduit from your wiring room to both the basement and attic. By doing so, you should have a way to run any cables in the future should you need them.

I agree - you don't want the installers mucking up the outside of the house. I have conduit in from the outside for phone and coax, and my dish is mounted on a post away from the house and the cable is buried, so it is a different situation from the OP.

I too have PVC conduit pipe going throughout the house for the cable runs - forgot to mention that. Of course that is good to have for future-proofing.

Andrewwski

Jul 20, 2008

cgtyoder said:
I agree - you don't want the installers mucking up the outside of the house. I have conduit in from the outside for phone and coax, and my dish is mounted on a post away from the house and the cable is buried, so it is a different situation from the OP.

I too have PVC conduit pipe going throughout the house for the cable runs - forgot to mention that. Of course that is good to have for future-proofing.

Great if you have conduit everywhere...I think it's too much of a pain...but if you have conduit from basement-attic with the wiring area included, you can pretty much get anywhere with a fishtape.

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Scott Greczkowski

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Last reply 47 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

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Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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98.6 - Keith

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I'm Easy - Keith Carridine

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reubenray

Last reply Today at 10:36 AM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Laptop Shutting Off When On Battery?

Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.

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arlo

Today at 10:09 AM

A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.

dishstaller

Today at 10:36 AM

arlo said:
That's all I got.

That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks

TRG

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Last reply Today at 10:27 AM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Starlink Router question

I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

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b4pjoe

Saturday at 2:12 PM

TRG said:
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.

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HipKat

Saturday at 11:07 PM

TRG said:
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc

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Foxbat

Sunday at 12:44 AM

TRG said:
…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.

harshness

Sunday at 11:46 AM

If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

Starlink V5 Is Here: What RVers Need to Know

Overview of the new Starlink V5 model along with comparison to the previous V4 model along with a recommended setup for mobile internet users.

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Foxbat

Today at 10:27 AM

Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.

dishstaller

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Last reply Today at 10:27 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

I think we could all use a laugh - Rodney Dangerfield on Carson

Good...simple humor. Enjoy

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92AtfTLge4

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Jimbo

Today at 12:37 AM

Not Rodney, but a laugh ...

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WHEcmortfK0?feature=share

dishstaller

Today at 10:27 AM

Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.

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Last reply Today at 10:17 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

At least 64 dead in Spanish passenger train collision

Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:24 AM

dishstaller said:
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.

dishstaller

Today at 10:17 AM

Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.

The safest seat to sit on in a train

Safety experts have shared top tips on train safety after a fatal railway crash in Spain killed 69 people, including where the safest place is in an emergency.

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