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Last reply Jun 26, 2010 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

New KA/KU Dish?

There's a rumor going around the shop that no one can confirm. I really hope it's true.

The first KA/KU's I did were down in Atlanta when they first rolled out. Those were the old square AT9 Dishes. I hated 'em. I came back home (northeast tennessee) and not only were we doing AT9's, we were also doing an 18" at 72.5 for locals. Well, the Slimlines came out and were a little easier, and recently we dropped the 72.5 as locals moved to 103, so to prep for that change, for the past year it's been all Slimlines. Doing this dish on EVERY install gets old. It's like when I used to work for E* doing Superdishes for everybody, only w/ no KU, it wasn't as precise.

The rumor is that D* is working on a smaller version KA/KU, about the size of the old triple sat, fits on the old masts, and the dish will only work for the 3LNB 99/101/103 setup. Does anybody know if this is true? I've been wanting to experiment with an old triple sat and see what kinda signal I can get on the KU bands.

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Diansul

Jun 11, 2010

Matt, I made a Phase III conversion per your excellent instructions and it works quite well. Thank you for posting that.

"Due to software changes with DirecTV HD receivers if a slimline 5 LNB is used with the receiver set to slimline 3 an error code results,Here is updated information on how to make the small HD dish."

I have left our H20-600 set at a 3 LNB slimline ever since I made the Phase III conversion, but there has been no error of any sort. Maybe this software change does not apply to the H20-600?

arich57

Jun 22, 2010

Parts list

Hey,

I wanted to see if I could help with the parts that I need to build this set-up and make sure it's going to do what I want. I don't know all the details about what stations come from what satellites so sorry for the dumb questions in advance.

I want to build this to have a HD TV set-up when I tailgate. I believe this is easier to use then a slime line.

I live in the Denver area. I'd like to be able to get the local stations and NLF Sunday ticket games in HD at my tailgate. If I could get Versus HD and the college sports channels that would be great too.

I have a hr10-250 or a H21/H23 receiver I can use. I believe all I need to build this is:
DIRECTV SL3 SlimLine Four Out Ka/Ku Slim Line LNB (SL3) - DIRECTV Slim Line - SL-3 -

18 Inch x 20 Inch Triple LNB DIRECTV Multi-Satellite Dish Antenna (OD1820-BX) - DIRECTV - KT1820BXLNB - 034405001386

Is that correct? Any suggestions are welcome for the easiest/best way to do this. How much am I going to have to worry about leveling the dish? Should I be looking at a special mount that will let me level it or will a little unlevelness be ok? I think I understand the process to acquire the signal but if someone could/would spell it out for a slow person, I would appreciate it.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Jimbo

Jun 22, 2010

arich57 said:
Hey,

I wanted to see if I could help with the parts that I need to build this set-up and make sure it's going to do what I want. I don't know all the details about what stations come from what satellites so sorry for the dumb questions in advance.

I want to build this to have a HD TV set-up when I tailgate. I believe this is easier to use then a slime line.

I live in the Denver area. I'd like to be able to get the local stations and NLF Sunday ticket games in HD at my tailgate. If I could get Versus HD and the college sports channels that would be great too.

I have a hr10-250 or a H21/H23 receiver I can use. I believe all I need to build this is:
DIRECTV SL3 SlimLine Four Out Ka/Ku Slim Line LNB (SL3) - DIRECTV Slim Line - SL-3 -

18 Inch x 20 Inch Triple LNB DIRECTV Multi-Satellite Dish Antenna (OD1820-BX) - DIRECTV - KT1820BXLNB - 034405001386

Is that correct? Any suggestions are welcome for the easiest/best way to do this. How much am I going to have to worry about leveling the dish? Should I be looking at a special mount that will let me level it or will a little unlevelness be ok? I think I understand the process to acquire the signal but if someone could/would spell it out for a slow person, I would appreciate it.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Well, you have to have the mast PLUMB or your numbers on your settings will not be accurate and you'll have a harder time setting it up.
I would get yourself a tripod with adjustable legs, they usually come with a compass that goes inside the mast pipe making it easy to set up.

This weekend we set up the Tripod and a SL3 and had TV in 12 minutes.

btw, personally, I would use the H21 or H23

arich57

Jun 22, 2010

Jimbo said:
Well, you have to have the mast PLUMB or your numbers on your settings will not be accurate and you'll have a harder time setting it up.
I would get yourself a tripod with adjustable legs, they usually come with a compass that goes inside the mast pipe making it easy to set up.

This weekend we set up the Tripod and a SL3 and had TV in 12 minutes.

btw, personally, I would use the H21 or H23

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look at a tripod for the mount. Can you explain the "mast PLUMB or your numbers on your settings will not be accurate" statement? What is the mast PLUMB? Is that the direction and elevation?

Jimbo

Jun 22, 2010

arich57 said:
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll look at a tripod for the mount. Can you explain the "mast PLUMB or your numbers on your settings will not be accurate" statement? What is the mast PLUMB? Is that the direction and elevation?

IF you use a tripod, the main post that the dish will sit on is the part that needs to be plumb .... level , does that make sense to you, it's not the right term.
Place the compass inside the tripod and make the bubble inside the circle on the compass and you will be plumb.

Try to find a tripod with adjustable legs, you'll need to find one that supports a 2" pipe/post to connect the dish to.

texasbrit

Jun 23, 2010

Diansul said:
Matt, I made a Phase III conversion per your excellent instructions and it works quite well. Thank you for posting that.

"Due to software changes with DirecTV HD receivers if a slimline 5 LNB is used with the receiver set to slimline 3 an error code results,Here is updated information on how to make the small HD dish."

I have left our H20-600 set at a 3 LNB slimline ever since I made the Phase III conversion, but there has been no error of any sort. Maybe this software change does not apply to the H20-600?

It's nothing to do with the software. The slimline 5 LNB delivers guide data from the 119 satellite if you are tuned to a channel on 103 (where most HD comes from). The slimline 3 delivers guide data from 101 regardless of which satellite you are tuned to. The two LNBs are electrically different. If you have an SL5 and tell the receiver it's an SL3, you will eventually get guide data errors if the receiver stays on 103 for a long time. The newer receivers and DVRs actually check for this and will give you a different error message indicating you have the wrong LNB type selected. The H20-600 does not have this new diagnostic software yet.

arich57

Jun 25, 2010

Jimbo said:
IF you use a tripod, the main post that the dish will sit on is the part that needs to be plumb .... level , does that make sense to you, it's not the right term.
Place the compass inside the tripod and make the bubble inside the circle on the compass and you will be plumb.

Try to find a tripod with adjustable legs, you'll need to find one that supports a 2" pipe/post to connect the dish to.

Thanks for the help. I thought only the slimeline used a 2" mast. Good to know the 18x20 does too.

Anyway have a suggestion of a good mast/tripod to get on solidsignal?

Thanks

Jimbo

Jun 25, 2010

arich57 said:
Thanks for the help. I thought only the slimeline used a 2" mast. Good to know the 18x20 does too.

Anyway have a suggestion of a good mast/tripod to get on solidsignal?

Thanks

Ya know what, you may be right on the 18x20, it probably is 1 5/8th.
You can go to Solid Signal or anywhere else that sells them.
I got mine at the Camping World in Belleville, Mi..
There are other Camping Worlds scattered around the country.
Probably cheaper that way.

You have one where your at :

Colorado Springs, CO
6830 Bandley Drive
Fountain, CO 80817
RV Accessories
(888) 502-3870
RV Dealership
(188) 879-2527

I believe this is the one I have, make sure you get one with adjustable legs.
This one also comes with a carrying case and a compass as well.

http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/winegard-tripod-mount-carry-bag/26276

SATMANINMEMPHIS

Jun 26, 2010

Jimbo said:
Ya know what, you may be right on the 18x20, it probably is 1 5/8th.
You can go to Solid Signal or anywhere else that sells them.
I got mine at the Camping World in Belleville, Mi..
There are other Camping Worlds scattered around the country.
Probably cheaper that way.

You have one where your at :

Colorado Springs, CO
6830 Bandley Drive
Fountain, CO 80817
RV Accessories
(888) 502-3870
RV Dealership
(188) 879-2527

I believe this is the one I have, make sure you get one with adjustable legs.
This one also comes with a carrying case and a compass as well.

Winegard Tripod Mount & Carry Bag - Item - Camping World

Yeah a 18x20 dish is an 1 5/8 mast....

Jimbo

Jun 26, 2010

SATMANINMEMPHIS said:
Yeah a 18x20 dish is an 1 5/8 mast....

right.

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Neutron

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Apple HomePod Home Automation

Does anyone here use Apple Home/HomeKit with HomePods or Apple TV to automate smart devices in their house? We have had Amazon's Alexa set up in our house for the last 10+ years and I have been waiting to switch them out to Apple for a few reasons; We are already in the Apple ecosystem with our phones, tablets, and computers. I have never liked Amazon's stance on privacy and I really like that Apple has pushed for privacy for a long time.

I bought 4 of the new HomePod Mini 2 speakers to go in various rooms in our house and we have one of the new Apple TVs on preorder that will be the start of me replacing our Rokus. I have the HomePod Mini 2s set up and have an RPi that is running HomeBridge for our legacy smart devices that worked natively with Alexa but don't work with Apple Home natively. I had trouble with the older smart bulbs not keeping the brightness or light color consistent with what our routines were with Alexa despite trying every setting in HomeBridge with the bulbs just not shining very bright. I ended up replacing them with updated versions that are Matter compatible so they work in Apple Home natively. That in and of itself has been interesting to set up because I have my home network segretated with the IoT devices on their own vlan and wifi and pretty locked down. Matter requires IPv6 and due to how my home network is designed I had to do some digging with AI to figure out how to make it all work correctly.

Apple Home definitely has some shortcomings that Alexa does much better with but I am hoping Apple will continue to improve their Home products and introduce features that will bring it closer to the functionality of Alexa.

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b4pjoe

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I tried HomeKit to be able to see my Ring cameras on my Apple TV as they are not supported natively on Apple devices. The best I could get was to be able to view the cameras live but I could not view any recordings. After the last major update version of HomeKit I could not even view the live cameras anymore. I gave up on it after that. If I were going to do it again I would only buy devices that can work on Apple devices natively as HomeKit didn't work well at all for me.

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Neutron

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b4pjoe said:
I tried HomeKit to be able to see my Ring cameras on my Apple TV as they are not supported natively on Apple devices. The best I could get was to be able to view the cameras live but I could not view any recordings. After the last major update version of HomeKit I could not even view the live cameras anymore. I gave up on it after that. If I were going to do it again I would only buy devices that can work on Apple devices natively as HomeKit didn't work well at all for me.

That's what I started doing after seeing legacy devices work hit or miss using the HomeBridge. At least Apple is following a standard now with Matter which is unusual for Apple. Looks like HomeBridge does allow you to see the live views but I haven't seen how to view past recordings. I'd really like to ditch Ring altogether due to their stance on privacy and if I had my choice I'd go with UniFi since that's what I use for my network and I like the idea of my camera recordings being all local and not in the cloud. UniFi doorbells and cameras are quite pricey though.

I'll try to access the Ring doorbells in Apple Home for now but I'll see if it's useful any.

Foxbat

1 minute ago

I found that the IoT devices need to see the Apple TV to be able to use it as the HomeKit Hub. Unfortunately, that means being in the same IPv4 subnet.

I was thinking of getting a HomePod Mini for my Mother-in-Law to play music and set up HomeKit scenes, as well as make FaceTime Audio calls. When Apple announced their price rises due to RAMageddon, I kicked myself as they went up 50% in cost. I'll be curious to see the HomeView in person as this might not be a bad way to get her started on automation.

She asked about it because her friends have Alexa and they use it to control lights. But like you, I feel better putting in a HomePod or HomeView that's listening for commands instead of Amazon or Google.

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Rockford Files Reboot - NBC, Peacock

'Rockford Files' Reboot Gets NBC Pilot Order

I grow tired of all the reboots. Most I don't bother with but will depend on the actor chosen.

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Teaser

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Teaser

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I wonder how they're/if they're going to do something like the answering machine message opening? It was always funny...

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Howard Simmons

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long_time_Dish said:
I wonder how they're/if they're going to do something like the answering machine message opening? It was always funny...

I hope they can find enough Pontiac Firebirds to keep the show going.

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dishstaller

Today at 12:16 PM

long_time_Dish said:
I wonder how they're/if they're going to do something like the answering machine message opening? It was always funny...

I had forgotten all about that part of the show. Used to really like it.

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The one where Beth is telling him about her cat is one of my favorites. "...he's not very discriminating".

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Another example:

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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Jun 25, 2026

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harshness

Jun 25, 2026

Given that Tubi is one of the hottest FAST services out there, I don't expect it to go anywhere. Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?

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Surprise! Fox Corp. said Friday it has closed the acquisition of streaming platform Roku, a deal valued at $22 billion, well ahead of the expected 2027 date.

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Today at 3:04 PM

Another reason I'm glad we are swapping or Rokus out for Apple TVs. I was already planning on ditching the Rokus earlier this year and had been waiting on Apple to announce the new one last month. Our Rokus have had issues the last year or so with freezing video and reboots, and one with an HDCP issue randomly.

dishstaller

Today at 3:06 PM

harshness said:
Building up intolerance for ads takes a while, and as long as the advertisers are willing to foot the bill, why not?

That is what I have to explain to customers all the time. They want it free with no ads :facepalm

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dishstaller

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Last reply Today at 3:05 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

It's easy to get into too much of a rush these days. Glad I slowed down this morning

Thought some might find this encouraging. It turned out good but I still feel a little bad about it.
Had to drop by Walmart on my way to the store this morning, I had enough time but no time to spare either. As I was walking across the parking lot I noticed an older gent pushing his buggy with a confused look on his face. I said hello as I passed but he didn't respond...something was bothering him. I kept walking and then stopped and chided myself for being in too much of a rush. I turned around and asked him if he needed some help. Turned out he had NO idea where he had parked his truck. He told what color and model and looked around...nothing. I asked him if he had tried his key fob, he wasn't sure what I was talking about and got it out and handed it to me. Hit the lock and listened for a horn like my F150 does. Nothing. Finally I hit the panic button and we heard his truck...it was on the complete other side of the parking lot. He thanked me and I went on about my business.

I felt bad however because I almost didn't stop. I was so focused on what I had to pick up that I almost just kept walking without seeing if I could help. Years ago I wouldn't have hesitated. It seems that as we age it is easy to focus more on ourselves and ignore others which is why you'll see footage of these muggings in big cities and people just walk by the wounded victim who is laying on the sidewalk.

Moral to the story: Don't let your humanity die just because so many others have allowed theirs to.

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telstar_1

Today at 1:19 PM

Years ago you wouldn't have hesitated...What was your hesitation? In breaking stride to assess another's situation, which you wouldn't have done when younger? Usually it's younger people who are less observant or likely to break routine to help an old lady cross the street, etc.

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TRG

Today at 1:31 PM

Kinda reminds me of a verse from an old John Prine song.

So if you're walking down the street sometime
And spot some hollow ancient eyes
Please don't just pass 'em by and stare as if you didn't care
Say, "Hello in there, hello"

https://genius.com/John-prine-hello-in-there-lyrics

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Jimbo

Today at 3:05 PM

dishstaller said:
Thought some might find this encouraging. It turned out good but I still feel a little bad about it.
Had to drop by Walmart on my way to the store this morning, I had enough time but no time to spare either. As I was walking across the parking lot I noticed an older gent pushing his buggy with a confused look on his face. I said hello as I passed but he didn't respond...something was bothering him. I kept walking and then stopped and chided myself for being in too much of a rush. I turned around and asked him if he needed some help. Turned out he had NO idea where he had parked his truck. He told what color and model and looked around...nothing. I asked him if he had tried his key fob, he wasn't sure what I was talking about and got it out and handed it to me. Hit the lock and listened for a horn like my F150 does. Nothing. Finally I hit the panic button and we heard his truck...it was on the complete other side of the parking lot. He thanked me and I went on about my business.

I felt bad however because I almost didn't stop. I was so focused on what I had to pick up that I almost just kept walking without seeing if I could help. Years ago I wouldn't have hesitated. It seems that as we age it is easy to focus more on ourselves and ignore others which is why you'll see footage of these muggings in big cities and people just walk by the wounded victim who is laying on the sidewalk.

Moral to the story: Don't let your humanity die just because so many others have allowed theirs to.

Actually, I think it's a bit different ... as we age, we do what we need to ... I being retired, don't leave home as early as I would other wise have, some day I have a ton of stops to make, others just a few ...

I think the problem is the generations behind us are all about themselves and generally could care less about others ...

Thats not everyone behind us, but I would guess a majority ...

There comes a time in life that you decide your going to do whats Right, or not ...

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Last reply Today at 1:26 PM · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum

Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...

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dishstaller

Today at 10:03 AM

Got to admit I never thought I'd see the day that cable lost internet subs.

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Ronnie-

Today at 10:23 AM

dishstaller said:
Got to admit I never thought I'd see the day that cable lost internet subs.

I think the cable companies didnt either, back when they had no real competition in their footprint.

But today, for many, maybe even most, cable isnt the only choice, or even the best.

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NYDutch

Today at 11:45 AM

Ronnie- said:
I think the cable companies didnt either, back when they had no real competition in their footprint.

But today, for many, maybe even most, cable isnt the only choice, or even the best.

In my new apartment, my only choice is Spectrum due to the cost, just $30/mo for 100 Mbps service. And just the other day, I received a notice that I can have Amazon Prime at no cost through Spectrum. I already had Prime, but when I activated the Spectrum deal, I received a $75 refund on my annual subscription. I don't know how widespread the offer is being made, but it sure looks like they're trying to hang on to Internet subscribers.

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ncted

Today at 12:06 PM

All my parents had to do to get a discount on Spectrum Internet is say the words "Verizon Home Internet," and they cut the price by $30/month.

NYDutch

Today at 12:38 PM

ncted said:
All my parents had to do to get a discount on Spectrum Internet is say the words "Verizon Home Internet," and they cut the price by $30/month.

I don't think they'll go below the current $30 price since it's part of a deal they have with the non- profit that owns the apartment building.

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ncted

Today at 12:46 PM

NYDutch said:
I don't think they'll go below the current $30 price since it's part of a deal they have with the non- profit that owns the apartment building.

Yeah, I was just saying Spectrum suddenly wants to keep what customers they can.

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Tom Speer

Today at 1:26 PM

Optimum, which bought up our previous cable company, Suddenlink (originally COX), replac ed all of their coax disdripution with Fiber several years ago. They ran new fiber links to the house, but installed RFOG (RF over glass) devices on the outside of the house, which makes the house coax system look like a cable system. They used DOCSIS modems and of course we had the same assymetric bandwidth of cable internet. When I called them a couple years ago, and said I had installed a connection to the local Fiber provideer, MetroNet, They panicked and offered me the 300 MBit "Fiber powered" cable service for $20 per month. They were bleeding customers. I cancelled my Metronet and went with the $20 deal for a year, even though I didn't like the old cable technology.

Then T-moble Fiber struck a deal with Metronet Fiber where T-mobile would take over the marketing, billing and customer relations for residential Customers. They offered a "Founders Deal" for 2 Gigabit service, symmetric speeds, for $70 per month for new customers. That included all taxes and fees and was guaranteed for 10 years. I couldn't resist. That deal is no longer offered, but I am set for 9 more years.

Now the successaor to the old local telephone company, Brightspeed has also installed a modern Fiber system in the neighborhood, but won't be getting my business. But their Fiber technology is also superior to Optimums cable based system.

With Fiber competition, the cable companies are eventually doomed.

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