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Uplink Activity Report - 10/8/2008 1:02pm - 89 changes

SatelliteGuys.US DishNetwork Uplink Activity Report - 10/8/2008 1:02pm - 89 changes

Uplink Comparison Range: 10/08/2008 12:02P - 10/08/2008 01:02P

Channel Additions:
407 - FSESP [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar11 110W TP 11 ConUS beam (NA)
5170(26) - WZVN [MPEG4 HD] added to Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 2 beam (NA)(Naples, FL)
5172(20) - WBBH [MPEG4 HD] added to Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 2 beam (NA)(Fort Myers, FL)
5173(43) - WFXB [MPEG4 HD] added to Echostar12 61.5W TP 13 Area 7 beam (NA)(Myrtle Beach, SC)
5891 - TMP08 [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (NA)

Channel Removals:
5741 - IAD12 (A) removed from EchoStar11 110W TP 08 ConUS beam
7841 - WFXB (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 13 Area 7 beam(Myrtle Beach, SC)

Channel Package Flag Changes:
603 - ERT [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 30 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
603 - ERT [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar1 148W TP 07 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
603 - ERT [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 14 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
612 - SETMX [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 18 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
785 - SETMX [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar1 148W TP 11 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
793 - SETMX [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 27 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
801 - KAIRA [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 03 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
806 - CHNLI [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 03 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
902 - GEONW [MPEG2 SD] - Anik F3 118.7W TP 07 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
902 - GEONW [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 27 ConUS beam changed package flags (A)
5150(16) - WNEP [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Scranton, PA)
5153(47) - WMSN [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Madison, WI)
5171(9) - WNCT [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 5 beam changed package flags (NA)(Greenville, NC)
7071(58) - WDJT [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Milwaukee, WI)
7074(18) - WVTV [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 11 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Milwaukee, WI)
7075(24) - WCGV [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 11 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Milwaukee, WI)
7076(10) - WMVS [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 11 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Milwaukee, WI)
7077(30) - WVCY [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 11 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Milwaukee, WI)
7080(36) - WMVT [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 11 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Milwaukee, WI)
7081(41) - WMLW [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 11 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Milwaukee, WI)
7280(27) - WKOW [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Madison, WI)
7281(3) - WISC [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Madison, WI)
7282(15) - WMTV [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Madison, WI)
7284(57) - WBUW [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Janesville, WI)
7286(21) - WHA [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Madison, WI)
7293(33) - WTVZ [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 5 beam changed to Available (H)(Norfolk, VA)
7294(27) - WGNT [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 5 beam changed to Available (H)(Portsmouth, VA)
7295(15) - WHRO [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 5 beam changed to Available (H)(Hampton-norfolk, VA)
7296(4) - WSKY [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 5 beam changed to Available (H)(Manteo, NC)
7297(2) - WUND [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 5 beam changed to Available (H)(Edenton, NC)
7510(53) - WLAJ [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Lansing, MI)
7512(10) - WILX [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Onondaga, MI)
7515(18) - WHTV [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Jackson, MI)
7516(23) - WKAR [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(East Lansing, MI)
7731(12) - WCTI [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 5 beam changed to Available (H)(New Bern, NC)
7733(7) - WITN [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 5 beam changed package flags (NA)(Washington, NC)
7734(8) - WFXI [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 5 beam changed package flags (NA)(Morehead City, NC)
7735(10) - WNCTD [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 5 beam changed package flags (NA)(Greenville, NC)
7736(48) - GCTI [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 5 beam changed package flags (NA)
7737(19) - WUNM [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 5 beam changed package flags (NA)(Jacksonville, NC)
8274(18) - WKCF [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Clermont, FL)
8275(65) - WRBW [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Orlando, FL)
8276(24) - WMFE [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Orlando, FL)
8277(27) - WRDQ [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Orlando, FL)
8278(26) - WVEN [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Daytona Beach, FL)
8279(31) - WTMO [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Orlando, FL)
8280(43) - WOTF [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Melbourne, FL)
8281(15) - WCEU [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(New Smyrna Beach, FL)
8282(68) - WBCC [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 03 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Cocoa, FL)
8283(52) - WHLV [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Cocoa, FL)
8284(45) - WTGL [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Leesburg, FL)
8285(55) - WACX [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Leesburg, FL)
8444(6) - KFDM [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Area 3 beam changed to Available (H)(Beaumont, TX)
8445(4) - KBTV [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Area 3 beam changed to Available (H)(Sacramento, CA)
8447(34) - KITU [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Area 3 beam changed to Available (H)(Beaumont, TX)
8711(3) - WWMT [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Kalamazoo, MI)
8716(35) - WGVU [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Grand Rapids, MI)
8720(54) - WTLJ [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 15 Area 4 beam changed to Available (H)(Muskegon, MI)
8774(56) - WLVI [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Cambridge, MA)
8775(38) - WSBK [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Boston, MA)
8776(2) - WGBH [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Boston, MA)
8777(50) - WZMY [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Derry, NH)
8778(27) - WUNI [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Worcester, MA)
8779(60) - WNEU [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Merrimack, NH)
8780(66) - WUTF [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 05 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Marlborough, MA)
8781(11) - WENH [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Durham, NH)
8782(44) - WGBX [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Boston, MA)
8784(9) - WMUR [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Manchester, NH)
8785(46) - WWDP [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Norwell, MA)
8861(12) - WPEC [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(West Palm Beach, FL)
8865(34) - WTVX [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Fort Pierce, FL)
8866(42) - WXEL [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(West Palm Beach, FL)
8867(61) - WFGC [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Palm Beach, FL)
8871(67) - WPXP [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Area 2 beam changed to Available (H)(Lake Worth, FL)
9246(22) - WYOU [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Scranton, PA)
9247(28) - WBRE [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Wilkes-barre, PA)
9248(56) - WOLF [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Hazleton, PA)
9249(38) - WSWB [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Scranton, PA)
9251(44) - WVIA [MPEG4 SD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 07 Area 6 beam changed to Available (H)(Scranton, PA)

Channel Renames:
409 - CSNWS - EchoStar11 110W TP 16 ConUS beam renamed to CSNCA (A) (H)
409 - CSNWS - Echostar6 72.7W TP 03 ConUS beam renamed to CSNCA (A) (H)
5409(409) - CSNWS - EchoStar5 129W TP 08 ConUS beam renamed to CSNCA (A) (H)

Channels in the system: 5649
(A) = Available to subscribers
(NA) = Not Available
(H) = Hidden from non-subscribers
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TNGTony
TNGTony
403 and 625 are the same video stream with different availability packages.
403 is for AT and Sports packages
625 is for Center Ice.

One channel. Two channel numbers.

See ya
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You apparently fail to recognize that two of the channels added are high bandwidth sports channels. Channels which would not fit just anywhere.
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HDRoberts
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JohnH said:
You apparently fail to recognize that two of the channels added are high bandwidth sports channels. Channels which would not fit just anywhere.
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Only NHL Nework. I don't think Tele-Amazonas is a sports network, although they might have some sports. Isn't that just the main channel in Ecuador. As pointed out above, Setana is just a slate about the free preview ending.

It just seems odd they would go to all the trouble of completely clearing a TP to add two channels. I imagine even if it took up that much space, they could add it to a TP with space for two normal SDs and keep everything spread out. They also have 119 to work with. Can you cheak to see what the bandwidth premium of NHL Newrk is versus some standard SD channel, like a TNT or Spike, or somehing like that?

Here's another theory: They are saving this TP for HD launches next spring or summer, after hockey season. They will yank NHL Network SD, find another home for Tele-Amazonas and have space to keep up with some no launches of high demand HD channels.
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HDRoberts said:
Here's another theory: They are saving this TP for HD launches next spring or summer, after hockey season. They will yank NHL Network SD, find another home for Tele-Amazonas and have space to keep up with some no launches of high demand HD channels.
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If they don't add the Viacom and Fox HD before next Spring or Summer, they really are in trouble as many more will likely be out the door by then. Outside of the Fox, Viacom, and Rainbow HD, what is left? Also what happens next hockey season when the "hockey" channels are already filled with other HD programming?
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NHL Network is a year 'round channel.

They may have a solution for HD/SD mixing on a TP, SOON.
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Laddyboy said:
Also what happens next hockey season when the "hockey" channels are already filled with other HD programming?
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The Hockey HD Channels, being mirrors of the HSKDL channels, do not really go away.
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HDRoberts
HDRoberts
JohnH said:
NHL Network is a year 'round channel.

They may have a solution for HD/SD mixing on a TP, SOON.
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Doesn't mean they can't pull it.

I would also think mixing HD and SD wouldn't be a issue, it would just have to be in QPSK, cutting into capacity. They mix MPEG4 HD and SD on the Rainbow 1 spots now.
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HDRoberts said:
Doesn't mean they can't pull it.
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That seems to be the solution, if the price goes up, now. :D
I guess the channel wasn't all that important anyway. Could say the same about some of this HD stuff.
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TNGTony said:
403 and 625 are the same video stream with different availability packages.
403 is for AT and Sports packages
625 is for Center Ice.

One channel. Two channel numbers.

See ya
Tony
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Just a note on the NHL Network channel, and the reason why it was moved from MPEG4 only to MPEG2 a month or so ago. It is apparent that the reason for this is that the NHL Network has exclusive rights in the USA to broadcast CBC Hockey Night in Canada coverage. In the past, Dish would just show the national CBC feed on Saturday nights, but it will now air on NHL Network nationally.

I think Dish realised that they better make it available to everyone at that point.
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Scott Greczkowski
Scott Greczkowski
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Delta Dawn - Tanya Tucker
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Can't You See - Marshall Tucker Band
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See You in September - The Happenings
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You Look Like You Love Me - Ella Langley
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See Me Feel Me - The Who
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Peter Parker
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Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter
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DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.
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reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.
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Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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dishstaller said:
Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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Works every time. My wife needs one.
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dishstaller said:
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
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Here's the one I need:
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Foxbat said:
Here's the one I need:
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Just ordered one....that's great.
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dfergie
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Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby
Bobby
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
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I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
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dishstaller
Bobby said:
Regular$5.999​
Premium$6.399​
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Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.
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harshness
harshness
dishstaller said:
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.
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On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.
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Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:
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harshness said:
A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),
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Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.
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jokeworm
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What's for dinner ?

Ok, I'm bored .... actually - to be more precise - I'm bored of eating the same rotation of 9 or 10 meals that are currently my "go-to" meals. My wife works the long hours - I work from home as and when i feel like it ... which means i generally do most of the cooking ... and so by default - i also make out the shopping list ...

We cook at home 5 or even 6 nights a week - but we always seem to fall back on the same old tried and tested "quick and easy but tastes ok" meals. Week in week out.

Pot Roast - mash and Peas.
Spaghetti
Chicken Pasta in cheese sauce.
Curry & rice
(these are some of mine)

Now it's not that I'm not adventurous in the kitchen ... I'll try anything once or twice ... but we all do it. Unless your name is Martha Stewart or Rachel Ray .. we all eventually fall back on our 8-10 favorite "meals"

So i thought - if we shared some of our own go-to meals with each other ... we might be able to add a few "new" ones to our own arsenal of meals.

So again - I ask you ...

What's for dinner tonight ?

Please give me something new to add to my rotation ... its our weekly shop tomorrow - so i want to pull together a few idea's and try and eat a meal each day next week that I've never had before .. or at least something that is not on my current "go-to" meal plan.

What meal do you always seem to fall back on in your house ? Maybe its something that I've never tried or not had in a while. I need inspiration !! I've got a blank shopping list in front of me - and nothing sounds good .. HELP !
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Beef and vegetable stew with buttermilk biscuits. Water.
It seemed appropriate on an unusually cold and wet evening in New Mexico.
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Chili Cheesebugers, Tater Tots.
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I made shrimp parmesan with spaghetti and a salad.
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venison lasagna
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Smoked some salmon on the grill while enjoying some Blue Moon beer. Kinda cool tonight so I fired up the heaters. Here in FL, we fire up heaters once the temps get below 60 :cool As for the salmon, I seared them first, then flipped them off to the side not over the coals and brushed on some lemon pepper marinade followed by some salmon seasoning. Threw some hickory chips on the coals and then closed the vents to about 10% airflow. Yum.
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osu1991
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EV News

www.autoweek.com

America’s Fastest-Growing EV State Isn’t California—Not by a Long Shot

New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives
www.autoweek.com www.autoweek.com

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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Servant's problem.
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Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
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The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.
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US EV sales are rising again. Here’s why the recovery is set to last.

Even though sales tanked last year after the end of federal incentives, the American EV sector is on the mend as drivers face sky-high gasoline prices.
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LIVE!

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2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish
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Was thinking same thing. It should be a good week for sec shorts and roll call
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A lot of upsets yesterday, but my LSU Tigers won.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.


View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k


We've literally got a movie already about this ;)


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Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.
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Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.
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That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
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That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.
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Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
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... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.
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Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
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Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.
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You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
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Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.
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I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
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I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.
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Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

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There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.
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This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
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Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.
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Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.

That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:

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Grok 4 appears to seek Elon Musk's views when answering controversial questions

XAI’s Grok 4 AI chatbot launched Wednesday appears to consult Elon Musk’s views when asked its opinion on some controversial matters.
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In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.

Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.

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Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.



This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.
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You invested in datacenters?
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You invested in datacenters?
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Though, I do have stocks in my portfolio that benefit from data centers.
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This Week in Tech 1105

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