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tknopf
Last reply · posted in DIRECTV General Forum
I have a Samsung SIR-TS360 receiver and have a great picture with ESPNHD, but.....I don't get the audio in 5.1 surround sound??? I got all of the Sunday Ticket HD games in 5.1, but haven't been able to get ESPNHD in 5.1 I have the receiver connected to a Sony Receiver via Digital Optical connection. Am I missing something? Any help would be appreciated.
TMAN
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D* uses circle surround 5.1 and it is not in DD 5.1. You need a decoder to decode circle 5.1
tknopf
Decoder??

So to get this 5.1 on D*, I need a decoder? What kind of decoder do I need?
TMAN
charper1
SRS Circle Surrond will decode with a pro logic II decoder just fine.

Circle Surround offers 5.1 channel audio performance that nearly matches that of digital AC-3 decoders, but can work with any analog stereo source. Unlike the passive matrix surround decoders that are a standard feature in most AV amplifiers, Circle Surround can produce true stereo in the rear channels with 30dB separation. In addition, the surround channels are capable of full range playback. In some cases, DVD movies decoded by Circle Surround result in better audio quality than that of digital decoders. Besides TV and home theater AV applications, a Music Mode option is included that produces an even distribution of the audio to all channels, ideally suited to both 5.1 channel audiophile listening and 4.1 channel car stereo systems with Phantom Center channel. The best results are achieved with a Circle Surround Encoded source, however 5.1 channels of surround information can be derived from all passive matrix encoded material, as !

Circle Surround is a registered trademark of SRS Labs, Inc. Santa Ana CA, Dolby Digital, Prologic are registered trademarks of Dolby Licensing Corp. San Francisco, CA.

Background - Disadvantages of previous decoders:

Dolby Pro Logic(R) was specifically designed for movies that contain a matrix-encoded mix of Lt/Rt stereo. The "Left-total" and "Right-total" signal includes pure Left, pure Right, Left-plus-Right, and Left-minus-Right components. Left and Right decode to the L and R channels. The L+R contains audio taken from L and R that is common to both channels, and is decoded to the center channel. The L-R is a difference signal that is directed to the surround channels by the decoder. All of these components co-exist in a stereo pair. It was designed such that the original stereo signal remains unchanged when played using a stereo amplifier, without a surround decoder.

Audio that has been matrix encoded, as found on most Hi-Fi stereo VHS tapes, nearly all laser discs (LD), most VCD's from Asia, and a few CD's that bear the Dolby Surround logo, are ensured of having adequate surround. However, it is hard to find music CD's and other stereo sources that have surround information that decodes just as well.

The deficiency of most matrix decoders is evident when it comes to playing music CD's. It is normal for the majority of the audio in a movie to be decoded into the center channel because so much of the sound is dialog. Most of the action on the screen normally is placed in the center of the room. The Left, Right, and Surround, are incidental to the main action, except where it moves off-screen momentarily to the extreme side or rear. Therefore the realization that most of the audio is directed to the center channel goes unnoticed.

The Dolby Surround and Pro Logic systems were designed to operate with a single dominant channel at any point in time. With music, the center channel dominates and causes most of the soundstage to collapse into a mono signal coming from the center, with very little remaining in the Left and Right channels. This is because the surround decoding algorithm used by most stereo audio equipment demands that the Center channel be developed by not only steering the L+R signal to the Center speaker, but removing it from the Left and Right speakers with a high degree of attenuation. In a music CD, most of the instruments and vocals, while spread across the soundstage, are located in a central image, from half left to half right, that is decoded to the center channel. Little remains in the Left and Right speakers, resulting in a primarily mono output. To exacerbate the problem, the mono center image in the rear further tends to accentuate the monaural audio along an axis in the middle of! the speakers. To compensate, delay is added to the surround to de-correlate it from the front. When listening to music, delay only smears the audio between front and rear creating an artificial effect, certainly not what the recording artists had intended.

While digital encoding on DVD's has solved most of these problems, digitizing is not without some tradeoffs. The audio on a DVD is highly compressed, by a factor of 10 to 12. For five full bandwidth, uncompressed channels of surround audio at 44.1 kHz sample rate, nearly 5Mb/sec data rate is required, more than three times that on normal CD's. This would consume almost a quarter of the available data on a DVD, which needs about 20Mb/sec for acceptable video quality, which is also compressed. Therefore, all 5.1 channels of audio are combined and compressed into a single 384kb/sec or 448kb/sec serial data stream to make room for video. This audio compression, whether using AC-3, MPEG, or DTS, is not loss-less. The psychoacoustic algorithm employed has minimal degradation in most cases. However, when there is high amplitude audio on all channels simultaneously, not an unusual situation in both movies and music recordings, the compressed data must divide the bit pool evenly betwee! n all five channels, to 76.8kb/sec from 384kb/sec. When this happens, the audio quality is reduced much below that of 16-bit CD's, with audible artifacts. With five discrete channels of digital audio, the decoder has little discretion on the way it is decoded. Depending on the way it was mixed before encoding, the audio separation on a DVD may be too severe, with abrupt, unnatural transition across the room from channel to channel.

Benefits of Circle Surround
Stereo Surround. The advantage that is most evident using Circle Surround, is stereo surround in the rear channels. This is accomplished by using the Left and Right steering cues in the front channels to also steer the Left and Right Surround. The effect is very similar to AC-3 digital with bullets in an action movie scene flying across the rear from side to side and along the left and right sides from front to rear or back to front. The remarkable point to keep in mind is that this is possible from normal stereo analog outputs from a VCR, VCD, CD, cassette tape, MTS stereo TV, cable TV or satellite receiver, FM radio, or multimedia computer. Except for the most expensive models, the majority of low-cost DVD players have only a stereo downmix audio output and a digital data output. To get any surround, either an AN amp with digital decoder that accepts optical or coax digital input is required, or an adaptive matrix surround decoder, such as Dolby Pro Logic or Circle Surround, ! to generate center and surround channels form the stereo AC-3 downmix output. The matrix surround encoding described above is fully preserved in the downmix signal. Therefore, Circle Surround can reproduce the discrete, 5.1 channel surround sound mix without requiring a Dolby Digital decoder in the DVD player or AV amplifier.

Another feature of Circle Surround is improved separation between channels from Dolby Surround encoded sources and other normal stereo signals. The stereo separation between the surround channels is about 30dB compared to zero in the mono surround of other adaptive matrix decoders. It is possible to encode an audio source with a Circle Surround encoder such that the separation increases significantly higher. Playing a noise sequencer test track that has been encoded with Circle Surround allows each speaker, including each surround channel, to output a single, separate audio track in succession, one at a time (Ls, L, C, R, Rs, Sw). Again, this is possible from a stereo, analog source. The only limitation is that Circle Surround is unable to decode five independent channels of audio simultaneously, which is possible with AC-3 decoders. It is rare to find this kind of recording except on special test tracks specifically designed to demonstrate this point.

Multiband Steering
The surround decoding uses multiple frequency bands that are steered independently to Left or Right Surround. Previously, the steering logic operating on the entire frequency band with a single surround channel causes a unnatural "pumping" or gating effect due to large time constants required for low frequencies. The Circle Surround decoder separates the surround steering to two, three, or more bands, such that the higher frequencies, above 2kHz are steered to the Left or Right Rear with seemingly instantaneous speed. It has been documented that the human ear can not detect audio delays less than a millisecond. With time constant of about 500us, 24dB/octave crossover filters, this objectionable perception of pumping is avoided.

The lower frequencies are steered separately with longer, appropriate time constants. It is not necessary that the lower band be steered to the same side. It is possible in some situations that the high frequency may go to the Left Surround, for example, while the low frequency surround is steered to the opposite side in the Right Surround channel.
In the low frequency band, the potential exists for ripple in the control circuits due to the much longer time constants required. A special variable time constant circuit dynamically adjusts the transient response over a wide range.
Further improvement is obtained when the lower frequency steering is limited to a band-pass mid-frequency filter, with a third band for the bass frequencies. Since the lowest frequency range contains little directional contribution to the audio, this band can be fixed, without steering, for a mono signal equally to both surround channels, as in conventional systems, with savings in processing complexity.

The benefit of multiband steering is a more realistic surround sound without the objectionable artifacts of conventional surround steering. The improvement is most noticeable with high speed transients in the higher frequencies, which is very common in musical recordings.
Variable Gain Steering Multiband steering solves only half of the deficiency of transient response in previous decoders with full bandwidth steering. Depending on the circuit design, the time constant chosen has a fast capture speed, but the release time may be many time constants longer, up to 20ms, before proper directional control is established. DSP implementations are more precise with symmetrical time constants, but at higher cost.

Circle Surround uses variable multipliers in the multiband steering circuit that provide variable gain to the VCA:s in the surround channels. The gain increases exponentially with dominant surround information. The result is smoothly panned audio between left and right surround or between front and rear. A test that will demonstrate the superiority of Circle Surround is the audio that steers hard left, for example, then instantaneously steers hard right.

Music Mode Unlike a decoder system that relies on steering to a dominant channel, Circle Surround is designed to work in Music Mode, which alters the steering in the front channels. In the Dolby-style system, only a slight imbalance, 1-3dB in the ratio of Left-Right and Front-Surround causes the audio to change from Center Channel to Left or Right. Center channel audio is not only steered to center, but removed from Left and Right, producing a wandering image.
The Left and Right Channels of the Circle Surround decoder in Music Mode remain unaltered. The Music Mode also incorporates a dynamic center channel, which decreased the center channel level by as much as 1 OdB in the absence of strong center channel information derived from the L+R inputs. The Center attenuation may be continuously reduced further only under hard steering situations. This prevents the collapse toward the center when the signal is panned across the front, producing a very stable stereo image, even with diffuse, non-correlated audio, as in a live recording. All the benefits of a center channel are preserved without destroying the normal stereo soundstage. The dynamic center operates equally well in 4-channel systems with an equally divided phantom center in the front speakers. This makes Circle Surround ideal for car stereos. While surround delay may be used in Movie Mode, or to achieve soundfield effects such as Hall or Stadium modes, in Music Mode, delay is not applied to the surround channels. Use of time delay only acts to smear the sounds between front and rear, detrimental to music listening. It was important in the Circle Surround design to avoid any artificial information not in the original recording, such as reverberation, phase correction, pitch changes, or harmonics added.

Summary
Improved surround is possible from any stereo output, including legacy audio from VCR's and VCD's, that closely matches the performance found in DVD's with a digital decoder. The advantages of Circle Surround include:
Stereo surround
Music mode
Full bandwidth Surround
More realistic surround effects
Full bandwidth on all channels
Backwards and frontwards compatible
Multiband surround steering
Superior transient response
Variable gain steering
Smooth panning between channels
Variable time constants

The applications where Circle Surround is ideally suited are home theater A/V amplifiers and car stereos. Used as an additional surround mode in a Dolby Surround receiver, audio from any stereo source, including DVD, is enhanced for both movies and music. In the car, all the passengers can hear good stereo surround with equal quality. Circle Surround maintains the characteristics of the original audio while providing a pleasant and effective multichannel surround experience.
Cyclone
Its not DirectTV specific. Anyone getting ESPN-HD will need a AV receiver that can decode Circle Sound 5.1. Just like most receivers can decode Dolby Digital or DTS sound. you would need one that can decode the circle. Its also referred to SRS5.1 also. I know that some Kenwood receivers include it.

For more info: http://www.srslabs.com/MainSRSStore.asp
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

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Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
K
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
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Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.
Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.
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I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
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MikeD-C05
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.
harshness
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
MikeD-C05
Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.
I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
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I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that. ;)
Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though :clapping
K
I just thought her behavior, including the bare feet thing, was disrespectful to her position.
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I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes.
That is your right.

I couldn't buy hiding behind the dirty-feet argument.
dfergie
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Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
harshness
In Oregon, our premium boat gas is about a dollar more than our corn premium. Several stations only offer the non-corn premium grade.
Bobby
Regular$5.899​
Premium$6.299​
Diesel$7.999​
at Costco, Rohnert Park.​
dishstaller
Diesel is all over the place around here. Saw it yesterday from $5.37 to $6.17...not sure what the obsession was with ending in 7
dfergie
$4.09 - $4.29, real gas $4.69...
harshness
I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.
It turns out I was justified in my suspicion.

Gavin Newsom somehow authorized the temporary move of the distribution date of the Winter blend to September 28th.
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DIRECTV Stream/Internet added Ch 4105 SportsGrid
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Now live:
4101 Yahoo! Sports Network
4121 DP World Tour
4195 F1 Channel
4196 MotoGP Channel
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Now live:
4275 Law & Crime
4364 Military Makeover Channel
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Game Show Central is now live on channel 4342
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Now live:
4101 Yahoo! Sports Network
4121 DP World Tour
4195 F1 Channel
4196 MotoGP Channel
It only took them 41 days to announce it
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Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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View: https://youtu.be/9j3vxhzM8MY?is=Rs1cY1FQAiRWi87i


Come September (1961)
Rock Hudson and Gina Lollobrigida with Sandra Dee and Bobby Darin
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Simple, charming. Entire premise is quite silly but Cary Grant carries it across the line in good fashion.
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Since it was already "paid" for, I spent the two hours of my time watching the John Cena action movie on Apple TV, "Matchbox The Movie" even though the reviews were brutal. It was better than I expected, so I didn't feel like I had wasted an afternoon watching it. But it felt like another "Reacher"/"Neghley"/"Mission: Impossible"/"Fast & Furious" crash and blow stuff up with lots of automatic gunfire mixed in movie featuring covert CIA operatives.

I don't think we'll get a follow-up movie from this. I expect Mattel will have other toy lines to exploit.
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The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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PISTONS and THUNDER are finally testing on the stream server. PISTONS is showing the Ion/Scripps Sports promo loop filler that their NHL and WNBA feeds have, THUNDER has a "You are watching Thunder+" slate

The Clippers still haven't officially announced their TV plans beyond 10 simulcasts on KTLA, but the NBA's FAQ for ClipperVision is now live. The CLIPPERS feed is currently showing a loop of their Hawaii preseason game.

The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.

So far nothing testing for the Bucks, Magic, Hawks or Hornets.
K
The Heat still haven't announced their West Palm Beach or Fort Myers affiliates. Since WPLG is streaming the games for free via their app, I doubt we'll be seeing the return of WPLG on stream.
West Palm Beach is getting it on WTCN-CD/43 MNT. Still nothing for Fort Myers


Also, the Thunder's deal for KSBI/52 OKC and KQCW/19 Tulsa will be via a special cable and DIRECTV only feed of those stations. OTA viewers and Dish customers will be limited to 10 games.
dtv757
Thanks for the updates on CW norfolk
Hopefully comes to sat soon!!
dtv757
Not seeing 44 (WVBT-DT/44 CW Norfolk ) on my D* app for firestick
K
It's only available for streaming customers, they still haven't added that batch of CW stations to satellite.

Even if it was, satellite customers still can't stream their CW affiliates via the app, just the Big 4, select PBS stations and some independents (mainly the ones that have full season NHL/NBA rights)
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.

As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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CFB, Notre Dame at BYU, Saturday 10-27, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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NASCAR, Freeway Insurance 500, Sunday 10-18, 12PM PDT, Channel 148-04.
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CFB, Ohio State at Indiana, Saturday 10-17, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, Arizona State at Texas Tech, Saturday 10-17, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.
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CFB, Ole Miss at Texas, Saturday 10-24, 4:30PM PDT, Channel 148-03.
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CFB, Indiana at Michigan, Saturday 10-24, 9AM PDT, Channel 148-01.
CFB, BYU at UCF, Saturday 10-24, 12:30PM PDT, Channel 148-01.