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So I was checking the website for my local news station (KTEN Home), and this notice was at the top:

DISH NETWORK MAY LOSE CARRIAGE OF KTEN(TV) [Click here for details]

"DISH NETWORK MAY LOSE CARRIAGE OF KTEN(TV) [Click here for details]"

To DISH Network Subscriber:
KTEN(TV)'s carriage rights with the DISH Network expire at 11:59:59 PM on December 31, 2008. Our Station has been in negotiations with DISH in an attempt to reach a new agreement. Unfortunately, those negotiations have not yet been successful.
We will keep you fully informed. Here are the FACTS:

  • In addition to our NBC programming, our station also broadcasts local Texoma CW as a digital multicast which DISH is refusing to carry. We believe DISH should be willing to provide you with our local CW programming. Our request is reasonable and will provide you with more programming options.
  • We will continue to work diligently in the hope that DISH will complete an agreement for carriage of KTEN(TV).
Our programs include your favorite news, weather , sports, and entertainment programs, including the Super Bowl on February 1 and Oprah, Dr. Phil, Wheel of Fortune, The Office, Heroes, 30 Rock and many others, along with local specials election coverage. You may continue to watch these and other great programs of KTEN(TV) and Texoma CW by alternative means. Your choices include:

  • Free, over-the-air reception directly from the Station
  • Your local cable system
  • In some cases, your local telephone company.
We will keep you fully informed of the status of our negotiations and we regret any inconvenience DISH may cause you.
If you should have any further questions or comments, please feel free to call us at 1-800-375.5836.
Or email us at DBS@kten.com.
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What is the deal with Dish, I can't believe that all of these local stations are being too greedy in their demands, I am now starting to believe it is the other way around. Dish is making $5 for my local channels, that is a hell of a lot less then the highest demands I have heard of, at 60 cents a subscriber.

Go get 'em Dish, hold out on these small town news stations that we depend on in times of emergency with winter upon us now, and just having left tornado season.
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cparker
I don't understand why so many people jump to the conclusion that Dish must be the "bad guy" here. Just because your local station SAYS their requests are reasonable doesn't mean they ARE reasonable. They may be reasonable to THEM, but they're trying to make money just like Dish is.

How about this..... how about all local stations allow dish to carry their programming for FREE!
I mean... I can get it using an antenna and THAT's for free. So getting it from Dish is really just a convenience, right? A convenience for which I pay Dish a certain amount of money. And by giving Dish the signal for free, they are expanding their local advertisers' exposure at no additional cost to the station. So... charge teh ADVERTISERS more! Sounds reasonable to me.

Sounds reasonable to ME. I think the local stations are putting the squeeze on Dish (and probably other carriers as well) to try to milk a few more dollars. Try telling your local station that you don't appreciate their attempts to extort money from you by making someone else look like the bad guy. Tell them they should be giving the signal to Dish for free because everyone else in your area with an antenna gets it for free.

See how far that gets ya.

Sounds reasonable though, doesn't it?
Scott Greczkowski
I don't understand why so many people jump to the conclusion that Dish must be the "bad guy" here. Just because your local station SAYS their requests are reasonable doesn't mean they ARE reasonable. They may be reasonable to THEM, but they're trying to make money just like Dish is.

How about this..... how about all local stations allow dish to carry their programming for FREE!

I don't consisder Dish the bad guy in this (and note this is happening to other cable companies and even DirecTV, but its not widely in the news.)

Figure it this way...

Dish charges $5.99 a month. Here in Connecticut they carry 9 SD Local channels plus 4 HD local channels.

Thats about 66 cents a channel that Dish makes on each channel.

Some of these channels want up to 60 cents a month for Dish to carry their signal.

Now figure out the costs of getting the local channels signal and backhauling it via fiber lines (and then how much more it costs for the HD version which I have not even factored into the price)

Ok so now we have got the stations from the local station to Dish Networks uplink center. Now we need to process the signal and encode the signal and properly insert it so that it broadcasts on the correct transponder, that all costs money.

Next we need to beam this signal out from a huge dish to a satellite 22,500 miles in the sky. It takes a lot of electricity to do this.

BTW that satellite cost Dish Network a few hundred million dollars.

From that 6 cents how much profit did Dish make? The answer is NONE they sell locals at a loss because people want their locals. If Dish removed all the locals and used all the transponders used by locals for national television signals they could earn many many millions of dollars showing national programming. But instead they go out and rebroadcast free signals that many viewers who live in the stations area can't pick up.

Satellite is doing the stations a favor by carrying their signal.

Without having their signals on satellite the stations have much less viewers which in turn means lower ads earnings.

These TV stations want to get paid plus have all the extra eyeballs from satellite watching and then they make more money twice.

It really isn't fair, and if you look around its not only Dish Network that having this problem, its happening to cable companies and even DirecTV.

The television companies don't care how much you pay for your service, they just want you to pay. They want you to pay for a signal you should be getting for free. There is something wrong with this picture.
B
. They want you to pay for a signal you should be getting for free. There is something wrong with this picture.

Let's see. I can copy the website of Satellite Guys and post it and quote anypart of it.. change a header or some info in it and post it on another web site. Oh, that's illegal because it is copyrighted?

The broadcasters hold the copyright on the programs on their franchise. Ever see a sporting event televised or hear one on the radio that has a disclaimer "without the written permission of ..." It is the same thing. Individuals can use it but can't sell it.
NightRyder
Let's see. I can copy the website of Satellite Guys and post it and quote anypart of it.. change a header or some info in it and post it on another web site. Oh, that's illegal because it is copyrighted?

The broadcasters hold the copyright on the programs on their franchise. Ever see a sporting event televised or hear one on the radio that has a disclaimer "without the written permission of ..." It is the same thing. Individuals can use it but can't sell it.

Recovering cost associated with providing access to viewers who are supposed to be served by a broadcaster is hardly selling something.

BTW: The copyright on most programs is held by the studios and production companies not the networks or their affiliates. Copyright and permission to use/distribute are not the same things.

NightRyder
Stargazer
My guess on why they chose to move some markets HD serviced to EA is due to the fact that the trees and hills makes the low look angles of 129 rough so it makes more sense to make it a EA market.
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fos
It would be great if Dish Network would consider elevation angles when making their EA versus WA decisions. For the North Texas and Southern Oklahoma DMAs, the 129 bird is at 2+ degrees greater elevation than the 61.5 bird.
Sooner02
Is KTEN back on Dish? I heard it was back on. Are the HD versions of KXII and KTEN on Dish as they said they would be last year?
osu1991
SD yes, the HD are supposed to launch in the spring.
Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Closer To Heaven - Alan Parsons Project
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Heaven Is In Your Mind -- Traffic
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HEAVEN IS A Place On Earth-Belinda Carlisle
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zippyfrog
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!

A couple of pieces of info:
  • Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
  • Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
    • 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
    • 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
    • 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
    • 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
    • 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
    • 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.
There are two transponders that have lower than normal SD channels – 110, TP 21 and 119, TP 19. Previously those transponders contained the programming guides that get downloaded from the satellite when the receivers download EPG. I assume that is where the programming guides are still downloaded from, thus less channels there.

When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.

Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
  • During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
  • Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
  • Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
  • There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
    • At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
    • At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.
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zippyfrog
With the extra hour I had this morning, I updated the listings. Another month has passed, and nothing has moved off 110 to 119 for the national channels. I really thought those handful of transponders on 119 would have been populated with the national channels from 110, but no change.

Can someone who has a Hopper tell me if the 4k channels are still on 110 and if so, what transponder?
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Bobby
With the extra hour I had this morning, I updated the listings. Another month has passed, and nothing has moved off 110 to 119 for the national channels. I really thought those handful of transponders on 119 would have been populated with the national channels from 110, but no change.

Can someone who has a Hopper tell me if the 4k channels are still on 110 and if so, what transponder?
They appear to be on 110, transponder 8.
zippyfrog
They appear to be on 110, transponder 8.
Thanks! I do have my listing correct then.
zippyfrog
Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now. TP 02, 04, 06, 08, 10 were all functioning as Spotbeams as of last week, but now they are ConUS.

This means all 21 transponders that Dish has access to at 119 are now ConUS.
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Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now.
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?
zippyfrog
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?
Nope - TP 1-13 are still ConUS on 110. Which is crazy...there are so many different spotbeams on the new 110 satellite compared to the older 110 or 119. Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now? If so, it looks like TP 1-13 are coming from the old satellite at 110 and 14 onward are spotbeams on the new satellite.
comfortably_numb
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Not sure saving $24/year is worth it unless you're a hardcore Philo user. I'll stick with monthly.

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primestar31
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Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Classifieds
Cheap, just the battery. Working or not.

Anybody got anything they'd just as soon get rid of? They look like this:

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navychop
I have such. Three various of various powers. And one aftermarket. Limited life, I believe.

Will look into it tomorrow.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd​ scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list. :mad:

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
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M
To Dishstaller, I appreciate your compliment. That was an epic SNL skit !!

To RVvaquero, I appreciate your coments but everything you mention has been considered:

Firstly, I use OTA very rarely - mainly for sporting events.
Secondly, I'm well aware that, since certain channels may scan from one directon while others from another directions, and remembering the difference, for certain stations I will point the antenna in a suitable direction. Some stations come in for almost any direction. In my original list (which has now been discarded), I had about 18 OTA stations and all of them were scanned from the same antenna direction. Even so, the Dish receiver was very particular about ABC (local KOAT 007-01). In the new geographic setting, it gets KOAT easier. Several months ago, due to a contract dispute, CBS (formerly local KRQE on 013-01) was dropped; it hooked up with KOAT as KOATCB (007-04) which is the one station I really needed. But I had to rescan to get it ...

All of ths points to the flaw in Dish's OTA software that prevents scanned stations from simply being appended to a master saved list. The user should be left to manage antenna pointing per OTA station since in many areas (like mine), they don't all come in from the same direction.
Bobby
To Dishstaller, I appreciate your compliment. That was an epic SNL skit !!

To RVvaquero, I appreciate your coments but everything you mention has been considered:

Firstly, I use OTA very rarely - mainly for sporting events.
Secondly, I'm well aware that, since certain channels may scan from one directon while others from another directions, and remembering the difference, for certain stations I will point the antenna in a suitable direction. Some stations come in for almost any direction. In my original list (which has now been discarded), I had about 18 OTA stations and all of them were scanned from the same antenna direction. Even so, the Dish receiver was very particular about ABC (local KOAT 007-01). In the new geographic setting, it gets KOAT easier. Several months ago, due to a contract dispute, CBS (formerly local KRQE on 013-01) was dropped; it hooked up with KOAT as KOATCB (007-04) which is the one station I really needed. But I had to rescan to get it ...

All of ths points to the flaw in Dish's OTA software that prevents scanned stations from simply being appended to a master saved list. The user should be left to manage antenna pointing per OTA station since in many areas (like mine), they don't all come in from the same direction.
As rvvaquero mentioned, you are in a very small population who actually need to move their antenna to receive various TV channels. There are a few reasons why it is not advantageous for Dish to do what you are asking for. First and primary, there are anomalies in the software that can cause issues when you have scanned channels in the mix that have little or no signal. You get error pop ups and cannot watch any channel, OTA or satellite. I have seen these even with my antenna pointed to one direction. Second, you are asking Dish to adapt their software to your needs while the very vast majority don't need that. This is an expense that everyone is going to have to pay for while few gain any advantage.

Have you thought about adding a second antenna so that you are pointing at both directions to fulfill your needs. There are ways to do this and it would fulfill your individual need.

Foxbat
Televes makes an antenna signal combiner that will support two three different antennas pointing towards two different locations, and has filters to drop the signals from the channels that interfere with the 2nd antenna channels. This produces a signal that would contain all your receivable channels in one feed. It would probably cost less than a single antenna on a rotor controlled by a smart box that would relocate the antenna mast towards the TV station you wanted to tune in, plus it's instantaneous, without waiting for the antenna to slew towards its target.

Why Choose the Televes SmartKom?

SmartKom combines filtering, combining, and amplification in one outdoor preamplifier. Its three inputs and 32 programmable digital filters allow installers to select, combine, and level channels from different antenna sources, while the included ASuite app supports both automatic and advanced Bluetooth programming.

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I appreciate your sentiments, Bobby but as a professional programmer for many years, a hallmark of good programing is robustness – anticipating user needs and, where practicable, adding the necessary coding structure. Knowing that Dish must have understood the nuances of antenna directionality on signal strength, it seems that an accommodation could have been made to append direction-dependent stations. Though I haven't seen the code, it would not have taken a lot of effort to make that accommodation. And as to you point about "First and primary, there are anomalies in the software that can cause issues when you have scanned channels in the mix that have little or no signal. You get error pop ups …", if a rogue station causes the issues you described, it can easily be removed.

Another hallmark of good programming is documentation. Dish decided not to release any documentation on the OTA process for users. A key part of such documentation would have been an explanation that when a rescan is performed and new stations are saved, the original OTA list is overwritten. This could have even been done with an onscreen dropdown warning. That would prevent users from finding this out the hard way.

Finally. piggybacking on RVvaquero's comment about the "remote control issue", I should add that I am having a similar issue. Ever since I used the Pairing Wizard to tailor control for my Samsung TV, I find that it sometimes takes not 1, not 2, but 3 presses of the On/Off button (several minutes apart) to finally kill the TV. This is kinda maddening and, as with OTA function, not discussed in any Dish documentation I've seen
Almighty1
Good points MorCowbell - All they had to do was add a few more options including the existing, I don't remember the exact names:
1) Scan/Re-scan and it will ask if one wants to overwrite database aka delete first or add to existing database
2) View existing database and add or delete manually
3) Save Database
4) Restore Database
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dishstaller
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
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Last reply · posted in Internet Television (IPTV) Discussion Forum
According to this article on The Verge, Videostrong Technologies based in Shenzen, China, placed a backdoor into 1.3 million of their devices and used this to deploy a botnet:
The infected devices were used without owners' knowledge for "malicious activity," like ad fraud, data exfiltration, and routing unauthorized network traffic. Google claims the "backdoor and botnet were intentionally developed, deployed, and operated for financial gain"
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b4pjoe
Another reason to never trust Google devices.
meStevo
'I bought these super cheap off-brand Android devices and got burned, now I'll never buy name brand stuff!' 🤣
N5XZS
Someone's, need to neuter the red China's junk they keeps spewing out... :p :hatsoff2
Jimbo
Another reason to never trust Google devices.
Or any Other Companies device.
Jimbo
Someone's, need to neuter the red China's junk they keeps spewing out... :p :hatsoff2
How about they just neuter China ...
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Only, If they can make a coup on the Chinese government! :cool: 👍 :hatsoff2