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I am constructing a small mixed use building with four separate units, three of which I would like to pre-wire for Direct TV. Two apartments will have three satellite outlets each, and one of the commercial tenancies will have two satellite outlets. This size building is too small for the Direct TV MFH3 IPTV solution and even too small for MFH2 service.
I am considering prewiring a SMW Direct TV Five LNB Ka/Ku Slim Line Dish for Direct TV service. (I have identified no retailers who will install without a service commitment, which makes no sense since the building won't be rented for months after the walls are sealed.)
The structured wiring in the building will be category 7A, class F cable (1000 Mhz) with the ability to retask outlets at the patch panel. Ideally, I would convert the signal to IPTV off the single wire, pass the signal through an 8 port switch and distribute it through the category 7 cable as necessary. Thus, RG6 wiring would be unnecessary. Both cable TV and off-air signals will run on the category 7A wiring, independently of any Direct TV prewired cabling.
Would a satellite-to-IPTV converter placed on the single wire convert all eight channels, or would the conversion have to occur eight times after the splitters?
Would the IPTV set top boxes be commercially available to my tenants?
Assuming that the ideal solution is not yet reasonably feasible, I have layout questions. The SWM single wire(s) will be a homerun run to the basement where the splitters will be located. The run lengths are as follow:
SWM single wire(s): 43 feet
Runs after the splitter(s) (add 43 feet for total run to the dish)
2 Commercial TVs (set top bo
es) location): 60 feet (103 feet)
Apt A, Bedroom 1: 29 feet (72 feet)
Apt A, Bedroom 2: 56 feet (99 feet)
Apt A, Media Center: 111 feet (154 feet)
Apt B, Bedroom 1: 39 feet (82 feet)
Apt B, Bedroom 2: 67 feet (110 feet)
Apt B, Media Center: 122 feet (165 feet)
According to Sonora Design, using two fourway splitters, all the drops will have good reception without amplification. So the first question is whether all-in-one dish/swm units have the ports for two single wires to two four-way splitters? Otherwise, I will need a Ka/Ku dish without the SWM and a separate inside or outside 8 program SWM.
I understand that the 8 program SWM stacks only 8 programs and that each HD-DVR can call for 2 of the available programs. I need to understand how this works. I hope the switching occurs at the SWM and is independent of the cabling to the receivers and DVRs. If so, no matter how the signals are split and the cables are run, a total of 8 programs can be played/recorded on receivers and DVRs at one time. Thus, while there could not be 8 TVs on and one DVR recording a different show, there could be 7 TVs on and one DVR recording one show (or, say 4 TVs on and 4 shows being recorded on DVRs).
Or does every DVR tie up two program channels whether it is in use or not? If so, to provide for any HD-DVRs I would need two 8 program SWMs.
Finally, I have seen rumors of play-back over multiple TVs from a single DVR. Would that occur through the SWM? What's the format of the playback? RF 2-2100+ Mhz? IPTV? Will the playback be over a coaxial-only network or can an existing IP ethernet be used?
Thanks in advance for your advice.
I am considering prewiring a SMW Direct TV Five LNB Ka/Ku Slim Line Dish for Direct TV service. (I have identified no retailers who will install without a service commitment, which makes no sense since the building won't be rented for months after the walls are sealed.)
The structured wiring in the building will be category 7A, class F cable (1000 Mhz) with the ability to retask outlets at the patch panel. Ideally, I would convert the signal to IPTV off the single wire, pass the signal through an 8 port switch and distribute it through the category 7 cable as necessary. Thus, RG6 wiring would be unnecessary. Both cable TV and off-air signals will run on the category 7A wiring, independently of any Direct TV prewired cabling.
Would a satellite-to-IPTV converter placed on the single wire convert all eight channels, or would the conversion have to occur eight times after the splitters?
Would the IPTV set top boxes be commercially available to my tenants?
Assuming that the ideal solution is not yet reasonably feasible, I have layout questions. The SWM single wire(s) will be a homerun run to the basement where the splitters will be located. The run lengths are as follow:
SWM single wire(s): 43 feet
Runs after the splitter(s) (add 43 feet for total run to the dish)
2 Commercial TVs (set top bo
es) location): 60 feet (103 feet)Apt A, Bedroom 1: 29 feet (72 feet)
Apt A, Bedroom 2: 56 feet (99 feet)
Apt A, Media Center: 111 feet (154 feet)
Apt B, Bedroom 1: 39 feet (82 feet)
Apt B, Bedroom 2: 67 feet (110 feet)
Apt B, Media Center: 122 feet (165 feet)
According to Sonora Design, using two fourway splitters, all the drops will have good reception without amplification. So the first question is whether all-in-one dish/swm units have the ports for two single wires to two four-way splitters? Otherwise, I will need a Ka/Ku dish without the SWM and a separate inside or outside 8 program SWM.
I understand that the 8 program SWM stacks only 8 programs and that each HD-DVR can call for 2 of the available programs. I need to understand how this works. I hope the switching occurs at the SWM and is independent of the cabling to the receivers and DVRs. If so, no matter how the signals are split and the cables are run, a total of 8 programs can be played/recorded on receivers and DVRs at one time. Thus, while there could not be 8 TVs on and one DVR recording a different show, there could be 7 TVs on and one DVR recording one show (or, say 4 TVs on and 4 shows being recorded on DVRs).
Or does every DVR tie up two program channels whether it is in use or not? If so, to provide for any HD-DVRs I would need two 8 program SWMs.
Finally, I have seen rumors of play-back over multiple TVs from a single DVR. Would that occur through the SWM? What's the format of the playback? RF 2-2100+ Mhz? IPTV? Will the playback be over a coaxial-only network or can an existing IP ethernet be used?
Thanks in advance for your advice.
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If you are able to, run 3ghtz Solid Copper RG6 homeruns to your distribution point and rooms this will be fine with your runs, I am not sure how the SWM system will work over IPTV and I doubt IPTV tuners would be available to the general public not running MFH3 systems and is probably a serious overkill for this small of a setup. To start, with your proposed setup, a DVR uses 2 tuners... so Apartment A could easily use 6 available channels, leaving only 2 channels open for the rest of your setup. This is unavoidable, and will cause huge problems in the future.
The SWM assigns channels the first time a Receiver is fired up, it will assign that frequency to that STB and be perm unless that STB looses power in which case it will re-request an available channel, so unless you plan to have your tenants unplug the box when not in use, it will still cause problems, as the "off" button only makes the STB go in standby mode. The SWM LNB or SWM8 Module uses 9 channels 8 for tuners and 1 shared channel for guide data, separated by 100mhtz (no clue why they separated so far when they could have used 50 mhtz and opened 16(17) channels an be more optimized </shrug>
You have 4 Apartments to set up, I would stack a SWM8 for each apartment (+-$400 for the SWM8 Mods) Which would give each setup 8 tuners available. This is also assuming the tenants have D12 SD STB's and R16 or better DVR STB's.. D10, D11 an Older Boxes wont work, neither do the Tivo's or R15's
It may be best to go with the following....
Apartment A+B
Slimline with 4 port 5 LNB +-$100
(2) SWM8 Modules Stacked +-$200
(2) STS-8 1x8 SWM Splitters +-$100
6 Lines in each Apartment (maybe 1 on each side of room)
Leaves 2 channels on each SWM
Commercial
2 lines from open SWM Splitter
This leaves 2 lines and a potential for up to 4 channels to be available at any given time, preventing Channel disruption. Then if you felt so advantageous you could run say 3 legacy lines lines for older boxes to a living room (2 lines for DVR) and 1 to a bedroom to each apartment and label them as such, for the just in case and that would not use any channels at all.
Your distances would be fine for a standard SWM setup if you balance the distance from the Dish to less than 50' to the SWM8 Modules, but In this setup I would stay away from a SWMLNB.. unless...
you used 2 dishes (1 for each apartment, with 1 channel off each for the Commercial).. which may be cheaper
As far as MRV (Multi-Room Viewing) this is handled by the HDDVR's software/Ethernet port and is currently in beta (more info can be read in the CE (Cutting Edge D* Forum). So at each TV location with my proposed setup you would have say in the..
Media Center wall plate: a SWM Coax, 2 Legacy Coax, Phone line (non pbx) and Ethernet
BR1 Wall Plate: SWM Coax, 1 Legacy Coax, Phone line and Ethernet
BR2 Wall Plate: SWM Coax, Phone line and Ethernet
Again this is to provide the most versatility and OTA/Cable could be diplexed into the legacy ports providing your tenants with further options without tearing the place up later.
As far as installing it, if you understand MFH systems at all then the hard part will simply be peaking the Slimline Dish.
Hopefully this made some sense
Edit: According to a couple MFH3/IPTV articles I just read it seems as though with MFH3 and IPTV headend equipment you could just plug a compatible D* box into the ethernet port, unfortunately none of the articles were very specific on the customer side of the system
The SWM assigns channels the first time a Receiver is fired up, it will assign that frequency to that STB and be perm unless that STB looses power in which case it will re-request an available channel, so unless you plan to have your tenants unplug the box when not in use, it will still cause problems, as the "off" button only makes the STB go in standby mode. The SWM LNB or SWM8 Module uses 9 channels 8 for tuners and 1 shared channel for guide data, separated by 100mhtz (no clue why they separated so far when they could have used 50 mhtz and opened 16(17) channels an be more optimized </shrug>
You have 4 Apartments to set up, I would stack a SWM8 for each apartment (+-$400 for the SWM8 Mods) Which would give each setup 8 tuners available. This is also assuming the tenants have D12 SD STB's and R16 or better DVR STB's.. D10, D11 an Older Boxes wont work, neither do the Tivo's or R15's
It may be best to go with the following....
Apartment A+B
Slimline with 4 port 5 LNB +-$100
(2) SWM8 Modules Stacked +-$200
(2) STS-8 1x8 SWM Splitters +-$100
6 Lines in each Apartment (maybe 1 on each side of room)
Leaves 2 channels on each SWM
Commercial
2 lines from open SWM Splitter
This leaves 2 lines and a potential for up to 4 channels to be available at any given time, preventing Channel disruption. Then if you felt so advantageous you could run say 3 legacy lines lines for older boxes to a living room (2 lines for DVR) and 1 to a bedroom to each apartment and label them as such, for the just in case and that would not use any channels at all.
Your distances would be fine for a standard SWM setup if you balance the distance from the Dish to less than 50' to the SWM8 Modules, but In this setup I would stay away from a SWMLNB.. unless...
you used 2 dishes (1 for each apartment, with 1 channel off each for the Commercial).. which may be cheaper
As far as MRV (Multi-Room Viewing) this is handled by the HDDVR's software/Ethernet port and is currently in beta (more info can be read in the CE (Cutting Edge D* Forum). So at each TV location with my proposed setup you would have say in the..
Media Center wall plate: a SWM Coax, 2 Legacy Coax, Phone line (non pbx) and Ethernet
BR1 Wall Plate: SWM Coax, 1 Legacy Coax, Phone line and Ethernet
BR2 Wall Plate: SWM Coax, Phone line and Ethernet
Again this is to provide the most versatility and OTA/Cable could be diplexed into the legacy ports providing your tenants with further options without tearing the place up later.
As far as installing it, if you understand MFH systems at all then the hard part will simply be peaking the Slimline Dish.
Hopefully this made some sense
Edit: According to a couple MFH3/IPTV articles I just read it seems as though with MFH3 and IPTV headend equipment you could just plug a compatible D* box into the ethernet port, unfortunately none of the articles were very specific on the customer side of the system
Season 2 order already in hand:
'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1
I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1
I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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I don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that.
Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home thoughI don't know, but I still don't like her walking through the station or the academy with out her shoes. It looks unprofessional and very "hippy like" for someone of her status and I personally don't get off to feet, so there is that.
Say, I don't wear socks or shoes in my house either. But for a captain in Star Fleet it looks bad to be walking around the academy with no shoes. Gives off 1960 Hippie vibes.Stay out of my office. I rarely have shoes or socks on in the office. My office and business is at home though
You say that like it's a Bad thing or something ...
IS Amiko MIRA 3 any good ???
Can you recommend the best to cover all bases. NO BEEPS on certain channels 101w (NEWSMAX ,NEWS NATION), a clock that keeps working STEADY for timed recording ,solid unit with good lifespan. My Amiko died AND my Linkbox has NO Favorites Button and BEEPS on many channels. Picking up 105 west with a NEW SHED IN THE Way with 6 foot Cband ..95 percent quality ...unbelievable.
Can you recommend the best to cover all bases. NO BEEPS on certain channels 101w (NEWSMAX ,NEWS NATION), a clock that keeps working STEADY for timed recording ,solid unit with good lifespan. My Amiko died AND my Linkbox has NO Favorites Button and BEEPS on many channels. Picking up 105 west with a NEW SHED IN THE Way with 6 foot Cband ..95 percent quality ...unbelievable.
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I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.
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Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.
I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.
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I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.
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So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Can't help but wonder if a worker overlooked checking the harness. I rarely ride a roller coaster anymore but when I do I check the harness myself pretty aggressively.
Can't imagine what the son is going through.
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Can't imagine what the son is going through.
Dad levitated and bled then fell to his death from coaster
Eyewitnesses have shared fresh details of the horrific accident that happened at Six Flags Over Georgia on Monday afternoon.
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Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?
Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
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Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.Could B&M’s Patent on the “Clamshell” Ride Restraint Design Offer Clues as to What Happened on Goliath at Six Flags Over Georgia?
Incredibly sad news out of Six Flags Over Georgia as it’s being reported one man was killed after being ejected from Goliath, the B&M hyper coaster. Many news outlets have posted pictures of pe…
It makes sense, however, I would want more types of restraints, so if one doesn't work, the other does ... the restraints coming over the shoulder I would have expected ... with a Seat belt as last resort.
Fwiw, I inquired with what they use on Coasters at Cedar Point, various Coasters, different restraints according to what the car and track requires ...
NONE of the Coasters at CP use THAT particular system
I'm glad to see ...
UPDATE: Six Flags is adding seatbelts to all 9 rollercoasters
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Six Flags adds important safety feature after teacher died
Hassan Kariem, 42, was killed at the theme park in Austell earlier this month, after he was thrown from his seat on the Goliath rollercoaster. Four others were injured.
Finally ....UPDATE: Six Flags is adding seatbelts to all 9 rollercoasters
Six Flags adds important safety feature after teacher died
Hassan Kariem, 42, was killed at the theme park in Austell earlier this month, after he was thrown from his seat on the Goliath rollercoaster. Four others were injured.
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Didn't see a thread like this so I figured why not start one. This is about natural supplements. If you aren't into supplements, fine, but please let those of us who do want to discuss this discuss it.
The first one I wanted to mention has been a real life changer. I'm 62 and still do all of my own install work at my business....also do all the yard work at the house. A few years ago I started noticing that I was losing my range of movement, it was even getting hard to bend over and lace up my boots. Almost got stuck in an attic because I couldn't get turned around once the work was done. Didn't think much of it and figured with age comes stiffness that was only going to get worse as time went on.
It was then that I stumbled across a video which was discussing rotator cuff tears and why they were to prevalent these days. Turns out, the culprit is a simple deficiency in MANGANESE which is key in keeping your tendons flexible. Most anti-biotics strip your body of any manganese it might have had which is why certain anti-biotics, especially those in the Cipro family. I actually knew a man who had two tendons tear while on that stuff.
Went to Amazon and ordered some manganese. Now it took a while, it wasn't instant, but gradually I have regained all of my flexibility. I can bend over and touch my toes while standing with no pain and putting on my boots is no longer a chore.
Pretty cheap too. The bottle I ordered was a 200 ct for under $13. They said to take double the normal dose for the first month because most people are severely lacking, then go to one a day.
The first one I wanted to mention has been a real life changer. I'm 62 and still do all of my own install work at my business....also do all the yard work at the house. A few years ago I started noticing that I was losing my range of movement, it was even getting hard to bend over and lace up my boots. Almost got stuck in an attic because I couldn't get turned around once the work was done. Didn't think much of it and figured with age comes stiffness that was only going to get worse as time went on.
It was then that I stumbled across a video which was discussing rotator cuff tears and why they were to prevalent these days. Turns out, the culprit is a simple deficiency in MANGANESE which is key in keeping your tendons flexible. Most anti-biotics strip your body of any manganese it might have had which is why certain anti-biotics, especially those in the Cipro family. I actually knew a man who had two tendons tear while on that stuff.
Went to Amazon and ordered some manganese. Now it took a while, it wasn't instant, but gradually I have regained all of my flexibility. I can bend over and touch my toes while standing with no pain and putting on my boots is no longer a chore.
Pretty cheap too. The bottle I ordered was a 200 ct for under $13. They said to take double the normal dose for the first month because most people are severely lacking, then go to one a day.
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I've always been super interested in things space related so this is a pretty cool event coming up. Nov 18, 2026 early in the morning, Voyager 1 will reach the distance of one full light day from Earth. Took almost 50 yrs. I was 13 when it launched.
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Thanks for that info. I will mark it on my calendar!
