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First I need to say thank you to Gabshere for hooking me up with a used motor. He is an outstanding guy who really came through for me when I needed him. God has a special place for people like him!:hatsoff:

And not to mention Stogie, the not far second runner up who was also more than willing to help me. Thanks to both of you.

I crashed my motor by trying to move it with a pansat 2500 and a 2300. I had the motor pointed at amc4 and both of the other TV's were working The trouble happened when I tryed to move the dish with the 2500. I think the main reason is both of the pansat remotes are very slow and cumbersome. You sometimes have to hit a button you want several times to get the box to reconize what you want to do. Some how I must have hit go to reference or something( and by the way what does that really mean?) Anywaythe digi=power sg2100 must have gotten confused and it got suck. I had a green light but all 3 boxes would not move it. This is where the trouble started and I think You can easily tell what I did wrong from this point on. First I decided that I needed a reset, I read up and it said that I had to push and hold both buttons to reset the motor, easy enough right ? Well up to the roof and low and behold pushing the buttons did not work. I forgot to say keep in mind that it was dark and I had no tv. I figured out thatthe manuall move button worked fine but the other one did nothing. I kept pushing until the soft squishy button fell in. I thought "great" here it goes. I then proceeded to get a semi sharp object to push the button, at night on the roof. So I poke around and what I thought was button moves, I would later realize that this was not a button but the green led. I know its stupid but a real man has to be able to admit to his mistakes. I then determine that the "button" must have fallen in the housing and the quickest fix would be to get a uni-bit and drill a hole to get to it. Now before you call me completely stupid at least I did not try to win a darwin award!:D I sucessfully drilled the hole and started going "fishing" again with my semi-sharp metal object. I cannot find the reset "button" that fell in any wheres. No wires no nothing. This was the last chance, I got down from the roof and tryed to move the motor and nothing. Nedeless to say I'm going for broke now. Back up on the roof and poking around with semi-sharp object and finally, I saw the green led go to orange!! I MUST have hit the rest button, but wait it did not flash. Hummmmmm. Lets do it again. Oh OOOOO, no more Led, no green light much less orange. I slowely reach up and press the manual button and nothing, shes gone, walking through the valley in the shadow of death gone.

Fast forward a couple of days and Gabshere saves me. I was not able to use any of the tube, brackets or anything from my old set up. His was totally different. So I went through the steps of setting up the motor from scratch. This time I was set up and ready to go in 1 hr or so. So back off the roof and to the viewsat, and NOTHING, What? It caint be say it aint so, tonight is retro night! Back on the roof everything looks right, then back down> I recheck all of my settings everytihng is entered ion correctly. After some serious thunkin I decided to drive it to 97 manually it worked with the "installer" function but not the USALS, now I getting that sinking feeling like I was an idiot. I tune it to 97 and hit save location and I try another one amc4 and do the same thing. Then all of a sudden the usals function starts working, now it will automaticly move the sat when I change channels, amazing. The conclusion? Well if works now but I have to manually drive the motor to each spot and then save it for the usals to work. Before anyone chimes in, I was hell bent and determine not to loose my channel list. I have spent months scanning and believe it or not I seldom have to re scan to get most of the feeds that I looking for. Such as the pro XXXX that was up yesterday, I did not have to do a blind scan to find it as I alread had those tps entered in. So was this it? A corrupted sat file? Or what else. I have since went and turned "off" all of the usals setting on both of my bedroom boxes so that I do not have that problem again. I will only use them to "watch" instead of move from now on. Is this what you call slaving? What does the "go to reference" really do? Any help at all in understand what happened would be appreciated. And it more than ok to poke a little fun while your at it, thanks to Gabshere I look back and laugh at myself and thats cool, we all have to do that at some time.:cool:

I forgot to add that the "reset" button is a pin hole on both motors. You need a paper clip or something to push it. Had I known that none of this might not have happened the way it did. There is a small hole next to the green light to insert the clip into. Another thanks to Gabshere for that tip.
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starman345
Got to reference means go to zero. If you look at the bottom of the tube where it connects to the motor there is a pointer and scale, when you select go to reference in the receiver the motor should drive the dish to true south..your longitude, and the pointer should be on zero. It is a reference point, when setting up, put the receiver in Usals mode, with your longitude and latitude entered and it will make its calculations from that reference point and move to the satellite you have selected. There is no saving positions in Usals mode, it calculates it every time.
Glad you got things sorted out:) How come you have your dish on your roof? That is got to be a killer....all that climbing:confused:
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The dish is on the roof because in my front yard I have huge 200 year old live oak shading the whole thing. There aint a chance in hell of getting a signal there and because my house is"long" I only have 40-50 ft of back yard. With the peak of my roof I was not sure that I could getthe arc, my house faces due south. So the roof was a sure fire way of getting what I could get.


I just hit go to reference and it did not move. But when I was setting up the motor was zero and when I hooked it up I did hit got to reference and it moved about 1.5 degrees east then I zeroed in on 91 which is my true south sat. I noticed that it moved when I went up to aim it. I know most peeps dont belive in sat beepers but I use them all the time. In 5 mins I had 91 locked in, I have noticed that I am a little off but I was thinking that when I have more time I will get back up there and drive it to zero then re aim it without hitting "gp to reference" and see what happens. If this is the way that I should be doing it then please tell me as it has been a while since I set it up. BUt if your saying that "go to refrence" should drive it to zero and then from there I need to aim it I may have to bite the bullet and delete the sats and channels and start all over again. If this is the case I amight could have saved the motor in the first place.
starman345
I believe you need to have the receiver in Usals mode to use go to reference, I could be wrong there but give that a try. It should move to zero. Usals is easier to use to setup a dish, you don't have to search for all the sats, just find one, get it tuned as well as you can and you should be close enough to do the fine tuning....moving motor east, west on the pole, increasing, decreasing elevation on the dish.
I figured you had los issues with your dish on your roof, it made me tired just reading about all the climbing you were doing in your post:D
gabshere
well we've all made mistakes working with something ( and i love electronics ) i'm sure ... my problem seems that i can get them apart pretty easily but when putting them back together sometimes they don't fit right or have a few extra parts lol lol :D

for broke motor if its not totally ruined you can work on it in the house a couple feet from the receiver ..... it just might not give you the led lights now. work the motor back to the zero position and then try the reset pinhole on the motor.

some other things to consider for both motors

some motors act strangely being swapped between different receivers. always return to zero position when swapping out and some you have to reset the motor ( this looks like the case if swapping between a VS & Pansat receiver). all of my swaps have been from a coolsat to a coolsat. On another safe side, save your channel list before swapping out motors and preform a reset on the motor & receiver then load the channel list back to the receiver.

where we talked about putting up your c-band dish would be an ok spot for a KU dish to look over your roof if mounted on a pole about 6 ft above ground. This would save you from having to climb up to the roof to play with the dish :) i know we all like to adjust the dish :D
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I have always saved my channel lists and my sat files as sometimes I would scan a sat and I could not save the changes so I would do a factory reset and then load the back up and re scan and it would work. I have learned the ways of the viewsat and I know what to expect. The best way that I can put it is I think that the vs does not reconize the channels or the sats anymore. I have to manually find them for it to do so. This weekend I will try to "go to reference" and see if it zeros out and also do a factory rest with the latest .sat file and see if that works better. Man I hope that is not the case becase I will loose alot of scanned channels also I will have re set up white springs and 129 and alot of others that are not in the factory file. As I said before a vs will not scan a sat or tps that are not in the list. It does not have a true blind scan, I dont care what you call it. I would use the 2500 because it does have a "true" blind scan but the remote issues just aggravate me. All I can say is once I get it set up I'm not moving it with another box until I get my HD replacement. Again THANK YOU GABSHERE for the motor. I am desperately thinking of a way I can repay you. We are wtching tv now and that is all that matters until this weekend when I try to fine tune it.
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Is ESPN News changing packages? I see on the lineup card that ESPN News is only available in Top 200 and above now. Is this accurate? Did anyone with Top 120 or 120+ lose ESPN News?

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Willh699
maybe but i still have it for now, most likely this will take effect in June.
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...and on the "Science" channel you can learn all about ghosts & monsters.
ClarkGable
I think ESPN News shows "The Ocho" on weekends. Slippery Stairs, Pop-A-Shot, Dodge Ball, Roof Ball, Wisconsin Auctioneers Championship, and even competitive Microsoft Excel spreadsheet races are among the offerings.
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...and on the "Science" channel you can learn all about ghosts & monsters.
Watch Lethal Weapon on Sundance!
America's dumbest and richest Housewives on Bravo! (funny, I never watched Bravo! WAAAAAAAY back in the day because I didn't like watching ballet. Then I never watched it because I didn't like trash television.)
See My Seven Ox Wives on The Learning Channel.
Watch The Fakumentury on Mermaids on The Science Channel.

It really is too bad this didn't happen to channels like TBN.
Up next on TBN at 8 PM, Speaking with the Lord Satan.

Cartoon Network and TCM are the only niche channels that survived the dumbening of niche channels. Of course, there are probably people that are old enough to drive, vote, drink (?) that were never alive when TLC was The Learning Channel.
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But even the cartoon ch. has been struggling of late
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maybe but i still have it for now, most likely this will take effect in June.
Curious if you still have ESPN News on 142 right now with AT120 or AT120+. As of today, the Dish website no longer lists it on the public website for that package.

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it's gone from that package,i no longer get the channel.
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So I have recently setup Indoor OTA due to drop to Local from Dish, and found out reason why I have such bad signal is my Monitor now none of cable for my monitor near OTA or it cable going to TV, but the TV right above my Monitor maybe not even a foot.

If i have 3 to 2 bars with monitor off said channel for most part of perfectly watchable, but as soon my monitor is ON (show image of desktop or what ever) OTA going to TV halved that 3 to 2 bars become 1 and 2 if I lucky and channels start scrambling alot, and depending on what is being shown on monitor it might out right give no signal, and I can easily restore singal to being bad if change what show on monitor or bring back 3 to 2 bars if I turn monitor off or let it to to standby mode.

I have already disconnect every cable on TV except the OTA cable leaving just that so it not those cable. the Power cable for monitor and DP to DVI cable the monitor is using no where near that OTA cable either.

Any idea on how to fix this? moving my monitor isnt exactly an option neither is moving the tv and moving the OTA to other side room even with long cable dont fix this issue.

I have one those Leaf MoHu antennas 11x3 ones, I had same issue with one gateway mohu antennas the older one too
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Do you have any splitters or combiners in between the antenna and TV? That can cause issues, especially indoors.

I would get that antenna into the attic or outside if at all possible.

And we need your Rabbitears reception report to really be able to provide answers specific to your location-

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Do you have any splitters or combiners in between the antenna and TV? That can cause issues, especially indoors.

I would get that antenna into the attic or outside if at all possible.

And we need your Rabbitears reception report to really be able to provide answers specific to your location-

no spilter is just for my tv


I get I just need to short out the monitor from kill the signal to the tv cause the monitor being on and show image basically castrates signal

I just moved wires around moved power cord away data cord and what not, and some made this issue worse just have my monitor on and show image was enough to just kill signal, I went and moved monitors data cable DP to DVI cable and it came back even if was still spotty at best, now I think it DP to DVI cable I using considering moving seem maninpulate how bad the signal that cable is still no where near OTA cable or any cables going to the tv, the tv and monitor are on the same surge protector though
Jimbo
no spilter is just for my tv


I get I just need to short out the monitor from kill the signal to the tv cause the monitor being on and show image basically castrates signal

I just moved wires around moved power cord away data cord and what not, and some made this issue worse just have my monitor on and show image was enough to just kill signal, I went and moved monitors data cable DP to DVI cable and it came back even if was still spotty at best, now I think it DP to DVI cable I using considering moving seem maninpulate how bad the signal that cable is still no where near OTA cable or any cables going to the tv, the tv and monitor are on the same surge protector though
Are these items all Grounded ?
You haven't defeated them ...
Make sure the outlet is grounded as well, if it's nothten nothing else is.
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Are these items all Grounded ?
You haven't defeated them ...
Make sure the outlet is grounded as well, if it's nothten nothing else is.
Far as i know they are all ground as surge protector is grounded this particular mode APC PV11V3 has wiring/fualt light that should go on if it not grounded and it not on protection light is green and on too . I not very knowledge about all that electrical grounding so i just go by what it tells me, my other surge protecter has grounded light on I could probably just plug to same outlet this one is to see if actual grounded

Monitor has 3 prog power cord the TV is 2 prog


Sounds like there may be some RF coming from your monitor (presumed to be a computer monitor?) being picked up by the TV's proximity to the monitor.
Move the TV or the computer at least 5 ft away.
If it is cabling to monitor it would show up while the computer is on and whether the monitor is off or on.

Sadly moving the monitor (Asus VS248) is not really an option I would have move my entire room which I not about to do. Computer is under desk said monitor is on, but turn the computer off does stop signal from droping so long as monitor is on, as I test that by connecting my ps5 to that and it happened there too

I do know that Moving the DP to DVI cable under desk can and does effect the signal, depending on where that cable is I might have spotty signal or no signal out all with the monitor on. but soon as it is off signal is fine.

The DP to DVI cable is shielded and the coxial cable is a shielded RG6 cable

I will see about moving the monitor 5+ feet way just to see if proximity to tv is issue. but that wont really solve my issue cause moving desk and there for computer and monitor isnt really option

Maybe wrap the monitor in aluminum foil? Just as a test to see if it's radiating RFI that's overwhelming the OTA tuner. Obviously not a viable long-term fix.
worth try I see what happen when I get hand on some aluminum foil
Jimbo
Far as i know they are all ground as surge protector is grounded this particular mode APC PV11V3 has wiring/fualt light that should go on if it not grounded and it not on protection light is green and on too . I not very knowledge about all that electrical grounding so i just go by what it tells me, my other surge protecter has grounded light on I could probably just plug to same outlet this one is to see if actual grounded

Monitor has 3 prog power cord the TV is 2 prog




Sadly moving the monitor (Asus VS248) is not really an option I would have move my entire room which I not about to do. Computer is under desk said monitor is on, but turn the computer off does stop signal from droping so long as monitor is on, as I test that by connecting my ps5 to that and it happened there too

I do know that Moving the DP to DVI cable under desk can and does effect the signal, depending on where that cable is I might have spotty signal or no signal out all with the monitor on. but soon as it is off signal is fine.

The DP to DVI cable is shielded and the coxial cable is a shielded RG6 cable

I will see about moving the monitor 5+ feet way just to see if proximity to tv is issue. but that wont really solve my issue cause moving desk and there for computer and monitor isnt really option


worth try I see what happen when I get hand on some aluminum foil
So, the TV is Not Grounded ...
I'm interested to see what happens when you move the TV away from the rest ...
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So, the TV is Not Grounded ...
I'm interested to see what happens when you move the TV away from the rest ...
TV is fix mounted to wall on metal brackets it can tilt and slide to side that is it it it 8 feet off ground and 55" tv it not getting moved . if it ground issues on TV how how can I fix that? I thought if surge protector is ground so are devices

It TCL 55S515 TV I have 2 of them in house both are 2 prog and most TCL tv I seen are 2 prog maybe there bigge sets are
Can you move the Antenna away from the monitor ?
Antenna is 8 feet away from tv I tried put 10 feet way didnt make difference

If I being honest after NHL Stanley Cup games I will probably stop caring and disconnect the OTA anyway cause I dont watch anything on anyway just my mom does and she attenna on here tv that really not much better it just dont have singal halve issue I have but it would be nice if I could fix,

probably the easy fix would be to get Tablo put antenna in attic like dad thinking of doing run coaxial to tablo and let feed tvs that way
Jimbo
TV is fix mounted to wall on metal brackets it can tilt and slide to side that is it it it 8 feet off ground and 55" tv it not getting moved . if it ground issues on TV how how can I fix that? I thought if surge protector is ground so are devices

It TCL 55S515 TV I have 2 of them in house both are 2 prog and most TCL tv I seen are 2 prog maybe there bigge sets are

Antenna is 8 feet away from tv I tried put 10 feet way didnt make difference

If I being honest after NHL Stanley Cup games I will probably stop caring and disconnect the OTA anyway cause I dont watch anything on anyway just my mom does and she attenna on here tv that really not much better it just dont have singal halve issue I have but it would be nice if I could fix,

probably the easy fix would be to get Tablo put antenna in attic like dad thinking of doing run coaxial to tablo and let feed tvs that way
Well, it's grounded up to the Surge Protector anyways ... but if not 3rd prong, it's not grounded ... I don't recall if my TV's have a ground, guess I never thought about it ...
Now ya got me curious, I got to check.

Well, thats interesting, I thought all TV's were grounded ... guess not, maybe they figure if the voltage gets that far, its not going to save the TV ... :(
navychop
Double insulated.
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Double insulated.
yes my tv is double insulated. could that be part of my problem?

I dont even get why my monitor and or the DP to DVI cable is causing this the cable is shield for this stuff yet moving that cable obviously effect the ota signal and simple act of that monitor be on cuts single in half, monitor on but in standby mode is fine, as far as i know computer gpu? is still out puting signal to monitor even when the monitor is standby mode it just dont wake up till the mouse or some input moves

aluminum foil over my monitor did stop the issue or even help in the lest
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yes my tv is double insulated. could that be part of my problem?

I dont even get why my monitor and or the DP to DVI cable is causing this the cable is shield for this stuff yet moving that cable obviously effect the ota signal and simple act of that monitor be on cuts single in half, monitor on but in standby mode is fine, as far as i know computer gpu? is still out puting signal to monitor even when the monitor is standby mode it just dont wake up till the mouse or some input moves

aluminum foil over my monitor did stop the issue or even help in the lest

Something to try. Using an extension plug the TV into a completely different source of AC. Monitor may be feeding noise back into AC.
osu1991
get rid of the monitor and plug the computer into the tv and use it as the monitor :D:cool:
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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
New low power station has been granted by the FCC and the new call leter is K33OB-D on RF ch. 33.

Will run at 15 KW ERP, this one runs from the Westside same location as KWPL-LD a HC2 owned station.

It's going to be aimed at eastern part of Albuquerque, so it's tightly focused beam pattern.

This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time.😎
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This new station is owned by Digital Network and what kind of programmings is unkown at this time
probably the same programming they have been putting on their other owned stations.
The 'get after it media' stations
Like Heartland, Retro, rev'n, Action etc
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Thanks Mr Tony, Hopefully no duplicates and put on like Revin, Karate movies.

It would be nice if they can put a least 2 HD 2 or 3 SD diginets for Albuquerque metro areas.😎🤞
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Here are a few markets with the stations per rabbitears.
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Hope they got good subchannels encoder going there...😎👍🤞
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Can't wait!
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I was pretty satisfied by the Finale as well. So many multi-season shows come up short, but this one was well done. The whole season has had a pretty high body count (including some of the executive producers😉) so the tombstone seemed quite appropriate.

Hopefully the Gen V show sticks around a few more seasons.
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I was pretty satisfied by the Finale as well. So many multi-season shows come up short, but this one was well done. The whole season has had a pretty high body count (including some of the executive producers😉) so the tombstone seemed quite appropriate.

Hopefully the Gen V show sticks around a few more seasons.

Gen V was cancelled already. The story of The Boys is over, it's on to the prequel now.

All that buildup in their series and they were called useless, retconned and sidelined in the finale.
MikeD-C05
Wow, Jensen Ackles keeps on getting the roles. And that woman is supposed to be Storm Front I take it. I will watch. I like anything he does from Supernatural to Tracker and the Boys. :smug
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Yeah, Aya Cash returning as Stormfront who was known as Clara Vought / Liberty at that time.
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I wanted Butcher and Homelander to share a prison cell upon waking up after the final battle.

Also didn't like the foreshadowing The Deep's ending. They could have done that so much better. Effectively getting tossed into the ocean by Starlight. The sea life coming towards him, he feels comfort, and starts to escape from the battle. The sealife gets a bit nippy, The Deep is confused... it gets harder and harsher and then The Deep understands what is going on. A little bit of a fearful chase would have been warranted to, because The Deep gets off a bit too easy in my opinion (as much as someone can be in such a brutal ending, I suppose). I thinking he is able to outpace things, and finds a large rock to get out of the water. Sealife bickers with him from the water. The Deep tells them he isn't going back in. From behind, a large walrus gets out of the water, shoves him back in and the feeding frenzy ensues.

Overall a decent show. Guilty of deus ex machina in the end. Homelander ending Homelander would have made more sense, and was the direction I thought they were moving in.

I have little interest in a prequel, and a lot more interest in the power vacuum left with Edgers getting back in control and how he would likely use Vought "for good" to get the tentacles back into the system. The entire policing system having been corrupted by Homelander and Vought. The end is like Return of the Jedi, where the Emperor is dead... but umm... what about the entire Empire that still exists?!
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Margaritaville - Jimmy Buffett
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Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!

A couple of pieces of info:
  • Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
  • Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
    • 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
    • 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
    • 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
    • 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
    • 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
    • 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.
There are two transponders that have lower than normal SD channels – 110, TP 21 and 119, TP 19. Previously those transponders contained the programming guides that get downloaded from the satellite when the receivers download EPG. I assume that is where the programming guides are still downloaded from, thus less channels there.

When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.

Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
  • During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
  • Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
  • Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
  • There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
    • At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
    • At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.
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zippyfrog
Updated the first couple of posts with the listings of the changes.
R
Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!

A couple of pieces of info:
  • Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
  • Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
    • 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
    • 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
    • 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
    • 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
    • 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
    • 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.
There are two transponders that have lower than normal SD channels – 110, TP 21 and 119, TP 19. Previously those transponders contained the programming guides that get downloaded from the satellite when the receivers download EPG. I assume that is where the programming guides are still downloaded from, thus less channels there.

When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.

Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
  • During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
  • Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
  • Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
  • There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
    • At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
    • At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.
I appreciate you doing all of this. With me having DISH Outdoors this is excellent for when I travel and have to get other locals. Also what does this mean for the 61.5 satellite?

My home locals come out of Springfield/Decatur/Champaign, IL.
I too have taken noticed they moved to the 110 satellite with the spotbeam of 27. Signal Strength is between 46-47. When they were on 119 satellite I was getting about 43-44 signal strength. Much improvement!

Also my post about MLB Extra Innings. I think it may be due to this transition of satellites between 110 & 119
MLB Extra Innings use to be on 110 Satellite. On my guide it only lists 476-01 Baltimore Orioles but I clicked on it and it says its on Satellite 119 with Transponder 13. Maybe this is the reason for my troubles! Shouldn't of fried my DISH though! DISH owes me LOL! Like I will really see it.

RJ T.
From Illinois

RJ T.
From Illinois
zippyfrog
I appreciate you doing all of this. With me having DISH Outdoors this is excellent for when I travel and have to get other locals. Also what does this mean for the 61.5 satellite?

My home locals come out of Springfield/Decatur/Champaign, IL.
I too have taken noticed they moved to the 110 satellite with the spotbeam of 27. Signal Strength is between 46-47. When they were on 119 satellite I was getting about 43-44 signal strength. Much improvement!

Also my post about MLB Extra Innings. I think it may be due to this transition of satellites between 110 & 119
MLB Extra Innings use to be on 110 Satellite. On my guide it only lists 476-01 Baltimore Orioles but I clicked on it and it says its on Satellite 119 with Transponder 13. Maybe this is the reason for my troubles! Shouldn't of fried my DISH though! DISH owes me LOL! Like I will really see it.

RJ T.
From Illinois

RJ T.
From Illinois
I just saw your response and posted on the other thread! In terms of 61.5, I don't have Eastern Arc, and my friend who I used to get Eastern Arc info from no longer has Dish.
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I just saw your response and posted on the other thread! In terms of 61.5, I don't have Eastern Arc, and my friend who I used to get Eastern Arc info from no longer has Dish.
That is okay. Its just when I sometimes go east the locals there are on 61.5 and sometimes have to use it. It will be great to only have to use the 110 & 119 satellite. No reason to use the 61.5 unless there is a problem receiving 119 there and most of the time at least for me it doesn't seem to be an issue. Maybe more up in the very northeast part of the US.

RJ T.
From Illinois
Tampa8
Updated the first couple of posts with the listings of the changes.
Appreciate your doing this!