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722k Programming Guide for Over-The-Air

Does anyone know whether you can get the program guide to display the programming for the OTA channels when using the OTA module?

It seems ridiculous to me that you have to pay for the module and then it can't decipher or show the program list that I can otherwise get over the air with a regular TV or a $30 digital box.

The one reason I went with Dish is that I could pipe in OTA channels and not have to pay for them. So no local subscriptions. So far, I'm not happy with Dish.

And then there's the issue of having to plug in the phone line or ethernet to the 722k to forego a $5 charge each month...Why???????

Cheers....

Sean
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The OTA programing guide is free to Dish and everyone else. It comes across in the Digital TV signal. It's just that Dish chose to exclude the ability to show it through their system.

Still no one can tell me WHY Dish requires a phone line or ethernet to be hooked up. The system works very well without it, so it's not a needed item. The technical support couldn't tell me either. Does anyone have an answer? Not that it matters much anymore - they have my money, but I'm curious.

Cheers,

Sean
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wetz73
seanavent said:
The OTA programing guide is free to Dish and everyone else. It comes across in the Digital TV signal. It's just that Dish chose to exclude the ability to show it through their system.
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Dish does not use the info that comes from the DTV signal, mainly because, as has been pointed out, it goes out only 36-48 hours. They along with other providers pay other companies to compile this info out over a week. We had folks on here complaining that the EPG didn't go out far enough to pick a program that wasn't airing for a month, imagine if you only could go out a day and a half! Bottom line, if you want EPG info for OTA, you have to pay $5 a month. You can record anything you want for free, you just won't have EPG info. If you don't like it and are within your 30 days, cancel. There's nothing secret here!
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wetz73 said:
Dish does not use the info that comes from the DTV signal, mainly because, as has been pointed out, it goes out only 36-48 hours. They along with other providers pay other companies to compile this info out over a week. We had folks on here complaining that the EPG didn't go out far enough to pick a program that wasn't airing for a month, imagine if you only could go out a day and a half! Bottom line, if you want EPG info for OTA, you have to pay $5 a month. You can record anything you want for free, you just won't have EPG info. If you don't like it and are within your 30 days, cancel. There's nothing secret here!
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Thanks to all for the information. It's much more than Dish has been able to provide me with. Part of my frustration was that Dish advertises a price and in my view anything above that price is a surcharge, not a discount. I know nothing is secret and I never intended to say so, but the company does not make it easy to find out. For instance, I couldn't even find out what receiver I was getting before the installer came out.

OTA programming: It seems reasonable to me (maybe not others and I accept that) that even if the programming went out 36 hours and was not of the quality of the subscription service, it should still be included if it's free otherwise. Otherwise forewarn your customers of such.

The same goes for the phone line or ethernet. I didn't know I needed it until the tech guy came out. I had to spend 3 hours rerouting wiring in the house to get a phone line to the unit and although you guys have cleared the subject up quite bit, Dish still can't anser my question of why - neither could the tech.

But the 'pay or else' argument without reason seems to be the norm in the industry I guess.

Maybe if Dish had you guys working for them, they'd have many fewer complaints.

Again thanks!

Sean
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Hey Sean. Pay no attention to the Dishkissers. It is common knowledge that Dish is the most nickel-and-diming TV provider out there, and they have been roundly criticized for it for years and years by those without the odd emotional attachment to their TV provider that some folks display here.

You have not only every right to complain, you have every reason. Perhaps, now that Dish has been losing subs to Direct, hand over fist, they might start adopting some of D*'s more consumer friendly fee structures, which include one DVR fee per account instead of per receiver, local channels included in package price, no fee for changing service, and no add'l charge for OTA program guide info.
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seanavent said:
I know nothing is secret and I never intended to say so, but the company does not make it easy to find out. For instance, I couldn't even find out what receiver I was getting before the installer came out.
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I signed up online and it was all there, including the $5 fee if I didn't connect a phone/internet line. I even knew the receiver. It was about as simple as anything I've ordered. Maybe you didn't know enough prior.


OTA programming: It seems reasonable to me (maybe not others and I accept that) that even if the programming went out 36 hours and was not of the quality of the subscription service, it should still be included if it's free otherwise. Otherwise forewarn your customers of such.
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Their equipment doesn't even pickup that data, so they can't display it on your TV. You are asking them to do something they aren't setup to be able to do. Try subscribing to the locals for 1 month (you are only out $5) and then get back to us if you like what they provide. I waited 10 months to committ to the local subscription and I love it. You are paying for a service that you normally can't get the method you are wanting. If not, just use your TV and pickup the OTA guide without going through the sat receiver. Then you'll be a happy camper.
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It is common knowledge that Dish is the most nickel-and-diming TV provider out there, and they have been roundly criticized for it for years and years by those without the odd emotional attachment to their TV provider that some folks display here.

...local channels included in package price, no fee for changing service, and no add'l charge for OTA program guide info.
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They can afford to include the locals in the price because they jack the price up more than $5 in the package. Same is true for these other items as well.

I pay $40/month total for a ton of HD channels, local channels, DVR, HD receiver, and 2 tv output. DirectTv doesn't even come close - and I'm not on a promotional rate. I'd be paying about twice that much with D* (plus I'd need 2 receivers instead of one).

D* method: $61 base + $10 HD access + $6 DVR = $77/month. (+$5 more for HD Extra to get HDNet Movies, MGM HD, Palladia, Universal HD that I get)
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They can afford to include the locals in the price because they jack the price up more than $5 in the package. Same is true for these other items as well.

I pay $40/month total for a ton of HD channels, local channels, DVR, HD receiver, and 2 tv output. DirectTv doesn't even come close - and I'm not on a promotional rate. I'd be paying about twice that much with D* (plus I'd need 2 receivers instead of one).

D* method: $61 base + $10 HD access + $6 DVR = $77/month. (+$5 more for HD Extra to get HDNet Movies, MGM HD, Palladia, Universal HD that I get)
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I'm not gonna turn this into a D* VS E* thread. But, the standard price of D*s HD DVR package is $76. And, yes, it would cost an extra $5/mo for for Universal, MGM, C&I, etc. for a total of $81. (The almost identical HD add-on is $10 with Dish, btw.)

I'm not sure what package you have that gives you a "ton of HD". But, the equivalent E* programming would cost $88 (Classic Gold, Gold HD, PlatinumHD, Locals, and DVR fee) And, if you were to add add'l DVR's, it would be $5 for each one, unlike D*, which only charges $5 per account. (Of course, they both charge $5 for each add'l receiver, which could give E* the advantage with its dual output models.)

Dish nickels and dimes its customers to death. That's what they do. It's a fact. It may not bother you. But, it's annoying as hell to a lot of people.
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Sorry gang, but I've priced both my old cable company and FiOS, and even with all the fees by all providers added up, Dish still provides more for less money. I have to say I was miserable with cable, and I don't want to pay the much HIGHER FEES at FiOS. Dish may nicke and dime, but FiOS $10's and $20's you as their fees are higher. Overall, I am happy with Dish and consider them superior to my experiences with cable. If I am so driven to complain as some do about Dish, then I would be gone in a second, as I do not give my hard earned money to any service when I can take my business to competitors. That's what I did when I felt about cable the same way some do about Dish. Why give Charlie your money?

One would presume that by the fact you are all still Dish subscribers, it follows you believe Dish to be the best provider available to you, otherwise you would show Charlie that you won't put up with his ways and take your business elsewhere. If you're still with Dish, then we can only imagine the worse things you say about Direct, cable, et al. Please share those reviews with us.
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GaryPen said:
I'm not gonna turn this into a D* VS E* thread. But, the standard price of D*s HD DVR package is $76. And, yes, it would cost an extra $5/mo for for Universal, MGM, C&I, etc. for a total of $81. (The almost identical HD add-on is $10 with Dish, btw.)

I'm not sure what package you have that gives you a "ton of HD". But, the equivalent E* programming would cost $88 (Classic Gold, Gold HD, PlatinumHD, Locals, and DVR fee) And, if you were to add add'l DVR's, it would be $5 for each one, unlike D*, which only charges $5 per account. (Of course, they both charge $5 for each add'l receiver, which could give E* the advantage with its dual output models.)

Dish nickels and dimes its customers to death. That's what they do. It's a fact. It may not bother you. But, it's annoying as hell to a lot of people.
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Absolute HD.

At least you get the option to pay for the locals or not, and that's what this thread started with.

I don't agree with the 'nickle & dime' at all - I get just what I expected for just what I agreed to pay. It's quite simple - and I don't work for E* BTW. People get annoyed and complain way to easily. The info is there before you sign up - take it or leave it. I'd way rather pay half to E* than twice as much to whoever the alternative is. Who wouldn't?
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All DMA's now Western Arc

I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…
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Unless Dish acquires DirecTV and its mid-USA satellite slots, I may not have Dish Network to reach 40 years. Or, I guess we could buy a new house…
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have charlie buy you a new house :biggrin :clapping
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Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?
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slow_poke_pete said:
have charlie buy you a new house :biggrin :clapping
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Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…🤞🏻🤣
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Foxbat said:
Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…🤞🏻🤣
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that would be one hell of a convo :biggrin.
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telstar_1 said:
Well, I didn't immediately think of broadcast, where there are all kinds of digital "subchannels"- I remember back when digital broadcast began that supposedly the 6mhz channel would likely support just 1 HD program and that the added subchannels would likely have to remain SD. I don't watch enough broadcast to know. Are there a lot of the subchannels in SD-only, and how do they do that, like are they in 4:3 or some kind of low-res widescreen?
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New more efficient encoders. I think there's around 60 channels/sub channels now in the Tulsa dma. 480 widescreen for most of the sub channels, but some have 2 HD channels and a couple of SD sub channels while others have 1 HD and 5 or more SD sub channels. If they moved to mp4 or hevc encoding they could do higher bitrates for SD or more HD or even 4K in that 6Mhz channel. That could render some early digital tvs unable to tune though as they may not have the codecs for that. Considering 4K tvs have been on sale for years, I think it would be a very small minority of TVs with the problem. I'd rather see that happen and keep ATSC 1 than continue the move to a DRM enforced ATSC 3 world.
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Is Roku the new Legacy Cable?

The title was to catch everyone's eye lol! But it is a thought I've been having as I dev a Roku app for a client. You see many MAAANY years ago I got really interested in cable TV channels and even chatted with a regional carrier, Insight about what it took to get a channel number. It was surprisingly easy although prohibitively expensive.



You could petition, reserve a high channel number, they monitored performance and if they liked you, you'd get lower channel number overtime and cut into ad overlays.



Roku has a similar setup. Make an app, if it has a strong, original linear component you could get channel assignment on The Roku Channel.



As mixed as my feelings are on the current media landscape, I can't help but feel a little excited interest when I scope out the apps in the Roku store.
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Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.
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navychop said:
Hmmm. I think Roku will last. But will Firestick? With their backing, I guess so. Apple TV STB? Of Course. Walmart? Seems someone ought to go, but with their backing?….

Off brands have, as probably expected, very short lives.
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All of those services have FAST Channels. FAST is a linear online broadcast stndrd. You notice how their linear channels all have some overlap? They are gettting paid for every second those streams are up without really having to do their own accounting. Best part is they don't even facilitate any of the stream bandwidth. Over glorified app stores on some android hardware. No reason NOT to stay in the game.
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Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.
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harshness said:
Females wearing any clothing is unthinkable on Ferenginar.
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Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...
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long_time_Dish said:
Was never a huge of the Ferengi-centric episodes in Trek...
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Me either ...
They turned out to be a Poor adversary ....
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They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"
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They got their proper due on "Deep Space Nine"
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And too many episodes centering on/around them as well...
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SuperDish_Fan23
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Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!
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I remember this in the news too...

www.nbcnews.com

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Almighty1 said:
I remember this in the news too...

www.nbcnews.com

$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone

A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.
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That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.
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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff
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SuperDish_Fan23 said:
Whoever still has their 922, please let me know i just wanna see photos of the ui and other stuff
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wL6dsORmXg
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Slicker guides never did much for me
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Bobby said:
That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.
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Good point as part of that time mentioned was before I was even alive.

While reports from the family's case focused entirely on the equipment rental charges, media records show that Ester Strogen originally started by paying $29.95 per quarter ($9.98 per month) in the 1960s for her combined telephone connection.
The actual base cost for standard residential telephone service over a 42-year period (spanning roughly 1964 to 2006) reveals how basic connection costs evolved compared to the equipment rental fees:

Historical Phone Service Rates
  • 1960s – 1970s Base Rate: Standard local phone service was heavily subsidized and tightly regulated under the Bell System monopoly. A basic landline package with unlimited local calling typically cost between $5.00 and $10.00 per month.
  • 1980s – 2000s Post-Deregulation Rate: Following the AT&T divestiture in 1984, base line service rates steadily climbed due to the introduction of subscriber line charges, touch-tone fees, and local infrastructure adjustments. By 2006, basic flat-rate local residential phone service hovered around $15.00 to $25.00 per month (excluding long-distance packages and taxes).
The True Lifetime Service Bill

Assuming an average baseline connection fee of roughly $12.00 a month over that 42-year span, the line connectivity itself would have realistically accumulated to approximately $6,000 in raw cash payouts.
When you bundle the actual service costs together with the escalating equipment rental fees, the total cumulative out-of-pocket phone expenses over those four decades easily crossed $12,000 to $14,000. Long-distance phone calls—which were billed entirely by the minute back then and could cost up to 15 to 30 cents per minute—would add significantly more to that historical total depending on usage.

The widely publicized calculation stems from a viral news story from 2006 involving a widow named Ester Strogen. Her family discovered she had been continuously leasing two rotary dial telephones from AT&T for 42 years.
The total cost—which actually came out to more than $14,000 by the time the lease was canceled—was calculated based on the following legacy telecom structure:
  • The Monthly Fee: At the time her granddaughters discovered the charges, the ongoing leasing fee was $29.10 per month for the two outdated phones.
  • The Math: Over 42 years (504 months), paying roughly $24 to $30 a month accumulates to between $12,000 and $14,600 ($29.10 × 504 months = $14,666.40).
Why did this happen?
Prior to the landmark breakup of AT&T ("Ma Bell") in 1984, consumers were legally not allowed to own their phones; they were required to lease them directly from the phone company.
When the laws changed and phone ownership became legal, AT&T spun off its rental division into a company called QLT Consumer Lease Services. Millions of customers, particularly elderly individuals who were used to seeing a single unified phone bill, simply never realized that the small recurring "equipment lease" line-item could be canceled by buying a cheap phone at a retail store.

Yes, leasing absolutely cost that much in reality, and the math is entirely accurate. However, the calculations performed by the family did contain one major historical nuance: they multiplied the final 2006 rate across all 42 years, which means the actual total cash paid out was likely a bit lower.
The original viral story focused on 82-year-old widow Ester Strogen from Canton, Ohio, who paid $29.10 a month for two black rotary phones until her family intervened in July 2006.
The reality behind how the cost reached that staggering total breaks down into two distinct phases:

Phase 1: The Historical Base Rate (1960s – 1984)

When Strogen first got the phones in the 1960s, renting was a legal mandate and cost a fraction of the 2006 price—usually just a few dollars a month.
  • The "Insurance" Mirage: In exchange for that fee, Ma Bell promised free, lifetime maintenance. If the phone broke, they replaced it instantly at no extra cost.
  • The Cost-Plus Reality: Because these solid-state phones were built like tanks out of heavy plastic and steel, they almost never broke. Consumers paid a continuous premium for decades for a repair service they rarely used.
Phase 2: The Deregulation Rate Hikes (1984 – 2006)

After AT&T was forced to break up its monopoly in 1984, the rental side of the business was shifted to Lucent Technologies and later a legacy holding company. To maximize profit off a shrinking customer base, they steadily increased the monthly rental fees over the next 20 years.
  • By 2006, the rental cost had quietly ballooned to roughly $14.55 per phone per month.
  • When the family discovered the $29.10 monthly charge, they looked back at the 42-year span and estimated the collective loss at over $14,000.
Even adjusted for historical inflation—where $2 a month in 1964 had the purchasing power of roughly $20 today—Ester Strogen and hundreds of thousands of other elderly Americans realistically paid thousands of dollars out-of-pocket for standard desk phones they could have purchased at retail for $10.

The exact out-of-pocket dollar amount Ester Strogen paid over those 42 years was never publicly determined, as neither AT&T nor the family had access to monthly billing records stretching all the way back to the 1960s.
The figures reported in the media are entirely mathematical estimates based on the 2006 rate. The two primary numbers used to define the "cost" are:
  • The Stated Media Total: More than $14,000.
  • The Exact Family Formula: $14,666.40. This was derived by taking her final recorded bill of $29.10 per month and multiplying it across the full 42 years (504 months).
What the True Cash Cost Likely Was

Because AT&T did not charge $29.10 a month back in 1964, the true historical cash sum she handed over was lower than $14,000. In the 1960s and 1970s, basic phone lease fees were generally bundled into standard service or itemized at just $1.00 to $2.00 a month per phone.
If we realistically assume she paid lower base rates for the first 20 years before the post-1984 deregulation price hikes took effect, a realistic estimate of the actual cash paid is between $5,000 and $7,000.

The Real Cost When Adjusted for Inflation

While the family's $14,000 calculation overestimates the raw cash paid, it actually underestimates the true economic damage when factoring in the time value of money.
Paying $2.00 a month for equipment in 1964 sounds minor, but due to severe inflation during the 1970s, those early single dollars had the purchasing power of roughly $20.00 each in 2006 terms. If you adjust every historical lower monthly payment upward to account for inflation, Ester Strogen realistically lost the equivalent of well over $15,000 in modern purchasing power by renting instead of buying.
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telstar_1 said:
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me either. sometimes it seems like things disappear when they start changing sh*t around :biggrin
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Channels on DIRECTV Satellite and not on Stream/Internet

So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...

Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.

I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.

What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.

If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.

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Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.

MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.
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WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.
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One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.
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harshness said:
One might get the impression that what DIRECTV does, or doesn't, is becoming far less consequential than it used to be.
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WPLG/10 Miami is now available to stream customers

The CW stations WCWW/25 South Bend and WBKP/5 Marquette are testing on the stream server

Last week they also added a bunch of CW stations that are still not available to sat customers:
WETM-DT/19 Elmira
WJET-DT/25 Erie
KLFY-DT/11 Lafayette LA
KARD-DT/15 Monroe
WVBT-DT/44 Norfolk
WTWO-DT/3 Terre Haute
WFXV-DT/34 Utica
KFDX-DT/4 Wichita Falls
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Well, that was fast ! DTV Stream brought back WTCN's HD signal today.

I have to assume the station signing up a week ago as the Miami Heat affiliate here (to carry their games) did the trick. NBA magic !!!

Or the station engineer took care of the problem after hearing about it.
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KyL416 said:
WNPX/28 Nashville (The new home of the Predators) and WMYD/20 Detroit (the new home of the Pistons) are testing on the stream server.
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Channel 28 Nashville hasn't been added so far, correct?
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WNPX Nashville and WMYD Detroit were added to stream about 2 months ago.

They also now have PRDTRS/651 for those in Predators territory outside of the Nashville DMA and PISTONS/663-2 for those in Pistons territory outside of the Detroit DMA.
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Apple Event September 2026

Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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Can't remember if I've posted this yet..


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU
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If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.
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No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter
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And definitely no medieval chain armor!
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medieval chain armor
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Aka "mail" or "maille".
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IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.
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But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.
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Can't remember if I've posted this yet..


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most carriers do. that's why they send updates that slow phones down!! i buy unlocked phones no effect to me
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IFixIt has published their Teardown and they had some positive things to say about the iPhone Duo. It still showed some dust ingress into the hinge assembly but seemed otherwise well-sealed.
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But with a considerable number of reports of the main screen dying with similar failures, AppleCare+ should be a no-brainer for this phone.
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hope you have apple care a screen job is 1000.00 :oops:. can we say over priced garbage!!!
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NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
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Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
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Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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Johnson built it, but without the Herschel Walker trade, it never happens.
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Jerry made himself General Manager after he bought the team but make no mistake Jimmy engineered that trade. As well as a lot of others at the time.
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Jimmy Johnson is a football guy. Jerry Jones is a marketer (hustler).

When I see a football player get a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct (like taunting) in a close game, I often wonder what he was thinking. Was he thinking, I'm doing everything I can to make this a better team and help win a championship? Or, was he saying to himself, I want everyone to notice how great I am?

Johnson inspires one, Jones the other.
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Got to unfurl and hold the flag at Allegiant for the anthem today - amazing experience.
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This Week in Tech 1107

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHoCBzfrdmQ


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This Week in Tech 1107

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYRNrj5MQzw


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This Week in Tech 1107

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41qc5p2NdN4


Direct YouTube Link - This Week in Tech 1107
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