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Last reply Jun 9, 2009 · posted in The Dish Network Uplink Center (archive)

6/3/2009 12:59pm - Uplink Activity Report - 94 changes

SatelliteGuys.US DishNetwork Uplink Activity Report - 6/3/2009 12:59pm - 94 changes

Uplink Comparison Range: 06/03/2009 12:43P - 06/03/2009 12:58P

Channel Additions:
5160(12) - KXII [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 16 Spotbeam 36 (A) (H)(Sherman, TX-CBS)
5161(10) - KTEN [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 16 Spotbeam 36 (A) (H)(Ada, OK-NBC)
5162(20) - KXIID [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 16 Spotbeam 36 (A) (H)(Sherman, TX-CBS)
5170(26) - WZVN [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 04 Spotbeam 54 (A) (H)(Naples, FL-ABC)
5171(11) - WINK [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 04 Spotbeam 54 (A) (H)(Fort Myers, FL-CBS)
5172(20) - WBBH [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 04 Spotbeam 54 (A) (H)(Fort Myers, FL-NBC)
5173(36) - WFTX [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 04 Spotbeam 54 (A) (H)(Cape Coral, FL-FOX)
5180(24) - KVUE [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 12 Spotbeam 48 (A) (H)(Austin, TX-ABC)
5181(42) - KEYE [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 12 Spotbeam 48 (A) (H)(Austin, TX-CBS)
5182(36) - KXAN [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 12 Spotbeam 48 (A) (H)(Austin, TX-NBC)
5183(7) - KTBC [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 12 Spotbeam 48 (A) (H)(Austin, TX-FOX)
5200(5) - WEWS [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 01 Spotbeam 25 (A) (H)(Cleveland, OH-ABC)
5201(19) - WOIO [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 01 Spotbeam 25 (A) (H)(Shaker Heights, OH-CBS)
5202(3) - WKYC [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 01 Spotbeam 25 (A) (H)(Cleveland, OH-NBC)
5203(8) - WJW [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 01 Spotbeam 25 (A) (H)(Cleveland, OH-FOX)
5382 - TMP17 [MPEG4 HD] added to Ciel-2 129W TP 18 ConUS beam (NA)
5382 - TMP17 [MPEG4 HD] added to EchoStar3 61.5W TP 31 ConUS beam (NA)
8232(65) - KKPX [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 43 (NA)(San Jose, CA-N/A)
8311(14) - WPXA [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 20 Spotbeam 06 (NA)(Rome, GA-N/A)
8507(38) - WCPX [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 31 Spotbeam 19 (NA)(Chicago, IL-N/A)
9073(48) - KVSN [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar10 110W TP 04 Spotbeam 30 (NA)(Pueblo, CO-N/A)
9647 - MERC [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar11 110W TP 10 ConUS beam (A)
9647 - MERC [MPEG4 SD] added to EchoStar8 77W TP 12 ConUS beam (A)
9648 - SRI [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar7 119W TP 11 ConUS beam (A)
9648 - SRI [MPEG4 SD] added to Echostar6 72.7W TP 31 ConUS beam (A)
9649 - SRN [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar11 110W TP 10 ConUS beam (A)
9649 - SRN [MPEG4 SD] added to EchoStar8 77W TP 16 ConUS beam (A)
19215 - HUNTT [DATA] added to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (A)
19216 - HUNTV [DATA] added to EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam (NA)

Channel Removals:
280 - ION (A) removed from EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam
280 - ION (A) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 16 ConUS beam
550 - OPEN1 (A) removed from EchoStar11 110W TP 16 ConUS beam
550 - OPEN1 (A) removed from Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam
551 - OPEN2 (A) removed from EchoStar7 119W TP 18 ConUS beam
551 - OPEN2 (A) removed from Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam
552 - OPEN3 (A) removed from EchoStar7 119W TP 18 ConUS beam
552 - OPEN3 (A) removed from Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam
553 - OPEN4 (A) removed from EchoStar11 110W TP 16 ConUS beam
553 - OPEN4 (A) removed from Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam
554 - OPEN5 (A) removed from EchoStar7 119W TP 10 ConUS beam
554 - OPEN5 (A) removed from Echostar6 72.7W TP 29 ConUS beam
623 - ZGUJ (A) removed from Anik F3 118.7W TP 22 ConUS beam
4505 - KVUE (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 12 Spotbeam 48(Austin, TX-ABC)
4506 - KEYE (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 12 Spotbeam 48(Austin, TX-CBS)
4507 - KXAN (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 12 Spotbeam 48(Austin, TX-NBC)
4508 - KTBC (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 12 Spotbeam 48(Austin, TX-FOX)
4522 - WEWS (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 01 Spotbeam 25(Cleveland, OH-ABC)
4523 - WOIO (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 01 Spotbeam 25(Shaker Heights, OH-CBS)
4524 - WKYC (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 01 Spotbeam 25(Cleveland, OH-NBC)
4525 - WJW (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 01 Spotbeam 25(Cleveland, OH-FOX)
4542 - WZVN (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 04 Spotbeam 54(Naples, FL-ABC)
4543 - WINK (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 04 Spotbeam 54(Fort Myers, FL-CBS)
4544 - WBBH (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 04 Spotbeam 54(Fort Myers, FL-NBC)
4545 - WFTX (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 04 Spotbeam 54(Cape Coral, FL-FOX)
4624 - KXII (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 16 Spotbeam 36(Sherman, TX-CBS)
4625 - KTEN (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 16 Spotbeam 36(Ada, OK-NBC)
4626 - KXIID (NA) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 16 Spotbeam 36(Sherman, TX-CBS)
4827 - TMP57 (NA) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 30 ConUS beam
5757 - TVGT (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 19 ConUS beam
5762 - OTEST (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 19 ConUS beam
5763 - OTST3 (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 19 ConUS beam
5765 - OTST2 (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 19 ConUS beam
7521 - KXII (A) (H) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Spotbeam 16(Sherman, TX-CBS)
7522 - KTEN (A) (H) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Spotbeam 16(Ada, OK-NBC)
7523 - KXIID (A) (H) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Spotbeam 16(Sherman, TX-CBS)
8387 - KPXB (NA) removed from Echostar12 61.5W TP 09 Spotbeam 17(Conroe, TX-ION)
9647 - MGM (A) removed from Ciel-2 129W TP 18 ConUS beam
9647 - MGM (A) removed from EchoStar3 61.5W TP 31 ConUS beam
19207 - OTV3 (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 15 ConUS beam
19209 - ITV2 (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 19 ConUS beam
19211 - OTV2 (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 15 ConUS beam
19212 - OTV1 (A) (H) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 15 ConUS beam
19213 - OTV4 (A) removed from EchoStar1 148W TP 15 ConUS beam

Channel Moves:
647 - NILE [MPEG2 SD] moved from EchoStar1 148W TP 09 ConUS beam to EchoStar1 148W TP 11 ConUS beam (A)

Channel Package Flag Changes:
5160(12) - KXII [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Spotbeam 16 changed to Available (H)(Sherman, TX-CBS)
5161(10) - KTEN [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Spotbeam 16 changed to Available (H)(Ada, OK-NBC)
5162(20) - KXIID [MPEG4 HD] - Echostar12 61.5W TP 01 Spotbeam 16 changed to Available (H)(Sherman, TX-CBS)
5520 - APL [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 46/47 changed package flags (A)
5521 - BRAVO [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 46/47 changed package flags (A)
5522 - CBS C [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 46/47 changed package flags (A)
5524 - DISXD [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 46/47 changed package flags (A)
5527 - FOXB [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 46/47 changed package flags (A)
5528 - GOLF [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 46/47 changed package flags (A)
5530 - HMC [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 46/47 changed package flags (A)
5531 - LMN [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 27 Spotbeam 46/47 changed package flags (A)
5532 - SCI [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 29 Spotbeam 46/47 changed package flags (A)
5533 - WGN [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 46/47 changed package flags (A)
5534 - BET [MPEG4 HD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 46/47 changed package flags (A)
7785(21) - WJPX [MPEG2 SD] - EchoStar10 110W TP 25 Spotbeam 49 changed to Available (H)(San Juan, PR-N/A)

Channel Mapdown Changes:
5250 - KVEW Ciel-2 129W TP 11 Spotbeam 5 mapdown changed from 44 to 42 (A) (H)(Kennewick, WA-ABC)
9365 - KVEW EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 45 mapdown changed from 44 to 42 (A) (H)(Kennewick, WA-ABC)
9373 - KVEW EchoStar10 110W TP 12 Spotbeam 45 mapdown changed from 42 to 44 (A) (H)(Kennewick, WA-ABC)

Channel Renames:
9584 - DISH - EchoStar11 110W TP 19 ConUS beam renamed to LTD4 (NA)
9585 - DISH - EchoStar3 61.5W TP 20 ConUS beam renamed to LTD5 (NA)

Channels in the system: 6607
(A) = Available to subscribers
(NA) = Not Available
(H) = Hidden from non-subscribers

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allargon

Jun 3, 2009

People who like Austin HD locals via Dish no longer need a 61.5 wing dish anymore?

PHXHoward

Jun 3, 2009

Maybe the new temp HD is to make space for this month's launch of MSNBC HD.

LER

Jun 3, 2009

allargon said:
People who like Austin HD locals via Dish no longer need a 61.5 wing dish anymore?

That's what it looks like to me.

Should be interesting to see which my receivers pick since I have dishes pointing at 61.5/110/119/129.

kstuart

Jun 3, 2009

PHXHoward said:
Maybe the new temp HD is to make space for this month's launch of MSNBC HD.

The channel number definitely indicates a national HD channel that would be made available to Dish Latino HD subscibers as well as Dish HD subscribers.

TalonDancer

Jun 3, 2009

LER said:
...Should be interesting to see which my receivers pick since I have dishes pointing at 61.5/110/119/129.

Somehow I can't imagine Dish keeping the Austin HD Locals on BOTH 129 and 61.5 very long. So my guess is that your receivers (and mine) will choose 129 nearly* 100% of the time -- soon.

Talon Dancer

* not 100% of the time, since sometimes they won't be able to "pick" any sat during a Texas Frog Strangler

Laddyboy

Jun 4, 2009

TalonDancer said:
Somehow I can't imagine Dish keeping the Austin HD Locals on BOTH 129 and 61.5 very long. So my guess is that your receivers (and mine) will choose 129 nearly* 100% of the time -- soon.

Talon Dancer

* not 100% of the time, since sometimes they won't be able to "pick" any sat during a Texas Frog Strangler

I don't know. They're already on the beam and some subs are pointed at 61.5 with double dish installations. It's not likely any other market could be placed on the 61.5 beam in that area. Things may change a couple years down the road but I don't see them taking the channels off the 61.5 spot beam.

allargon

Jun 4, 2009

kstuart said:
The channel number definitely indicates a national HD channel that would be made available to Dish Latino HD subscibers as well as Dish HD subscribers.

So Telemundo HD along with MSNBC HD? Both are NBC Universal properties.

digiblur

Jun 4, 2009

Laddyboy said:
I don't know. They're already on the beam and some subs are pointed at 61.5 with double dish installations. It's not likely any other market could be placed on the 61.5 beam in that area. Things may change a couple years down the road but I don't see them taking the channels off the 61.5 spot beam.

Ding ding....we have a winner!

TalonDancer

Jun 4, 2009

Laddyboy said:
I don't know. They're already on the beam and some subs are pointed at 61.5 with double dish installations. It's not likely any other market could be placed on the 61.5 beam in that area. Things may change a couple years down the road but I don't see them taking the channels off the 61.5 spot beam.

I don't have the 61.5 spot beam map handy but I _thought_ San Antonio was within the foot print of spot beam 17. And since San Antonio is a much larger DMA than Austin, giving EA and WA sats for the SA HD locals might be a better use of bandwidth on 61.5. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Dish does a lot of things I don't consider too clever

FWIW I'm one of those double dish installs in the Austin DMA. Turning off the Austin HDs on 61.5 would not be a big deal to folks like me, since our other dish is a 1000.2 already pointed at 129.

Talon Dancer

ScooterS

Jun 6, 2009

Good timing for Charlie on this one. I'm having my house painted next week here in Austin. I had a 2 dish setup. I'm going to take a chance and pull the 61.5 down before the spraying begins...... Time will tell.

allargon

Jun 8, 2009

It should work just fine provided your switch doesn't go nuts. I never had a 61.5 dish. My four Dish locals come through in perfectly soft HD-lite.

Sorry, Dish, I do notice the difference between down-rezzed, bitstarved MPEG4 and my fuller bitrate MPEG2 OTA feeds.

kstuart

Jun 9, 2009

allargon said:
So Telemundo HD along with MSNBC HD? Both are NBC Universal properties.

It is likely that it is neither.
Telemundo is a network, and appears in local channels, not national.

MSNBC is not included in any Dish Latino package, so it will not be in Dish Latino HD, any more than Fox News was.

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Peter Parker

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 18 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Yesterday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:40 PM

I got the 713 update yesterday.

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naptime

Today at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Today at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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Bobby

Today at 10:32 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.

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dishstaller

18 minutes ago

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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telebiker

Last reply 26 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Hopper and Dish Hopper Plus No Alexa in settings

I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.

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HipKat

Mar 15, 2026

Guys,
Android is Google. Google is Android. Android OS and Google TV are the same thing.
The Hopper+ and Joey 4's run Android TV, which is Google's television version of Android.
That means under the hood, you have:

Linux kernel
Android framework
Google TV / Android TV interface
Google Play Store for TV apps

Alexa is the competition. Google is not going to host their competition.
The old Hopper Carbon UI is NOT Google so that's why Alexa was on there.

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Harryhaggle

Mar 18, 2026

Understood. But here's the rub - Google Assistant setup is ALSO missing from the Hopper Plus setup. I'm a paraplegic.and need to use voice controls as much as possible but I can't press a button on the remote to activate Google Assistant. I prefer ALEXA (or ALEXA+) but I have one older google device and will go that route IF they make it available. BTW calling Dish Customer Service is no help- they just say they have no info on if/when there will be an update.

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navychop

Mar 18, 2026

Ungood.

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reubenray

Today at 10:17 AM

What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?

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navychop

26 minutes ago

Tell Alexa verbally what to do.

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klang

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Last reply 28 minutes ago · posted in TV Shows

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.

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klang

Jul 28, 2025

I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

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Foxbat

Apr 3, 2026

Paramount lost a number of the Star Trek creative crew to other projects, like Ron Moore going on to BSG and "For All Mankind". I see Denise and Michael Okuda are also involved with FAM.

klang

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

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MikeD-C05

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.

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harshness

Tuesday at 11:28 AM

MikeD-C05 said:
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.

Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

MikeD-C05

28 minutes ago

harshness said:
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.

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meStevo

Lifetime Supporter

Last reply 41 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

AI thread

A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.

Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.

View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k

We've literally got a movie already about this

View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc

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meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point. Nobody needs an innovative fix for a driver error or a creative way to format a report. Let it handle the solved problems so people can spend their time on the ones that aren't.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Agreed, it mostly regurgitates known solutions. That's the point.

That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
That's the point at which innovation ends, and there's no longer any point to software engineering other than swatting bugs that result from misapplication.

Addressed by what you didn't quote. This cycle is as old as computing: compilers, libraries, frameworks each automated the tedious part, and the human work moved up a level. Innovation didn't end; it shifted. And people still make new compilers, libraries or frameworks.

Nobody's forced to hand anything off. Anyone who wants to keep doing it by hand still can, and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
... and people who couldn't do it at all now can.

Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
Misapplication isn't something that the casual coder can identify. They can only discover, the hard way, that it doesn't work at some point.

You're not wrong, but that's part of learning. Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
Whether from others or our own mistakes, we've all learned that lesson one way or another.

I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

meStevo

Oct 9, 2026

harshness said:
I'm not sure that the school of hard knocks is the quickest or surest education to find your way.

Good thing not everyone will have to learn the hard way then. The same tools can explain why something broke.

harshness said:
There are many examples in the headlines of people getting burned multiple times and not wavering in their pursuit of stupidity.

This is true of literally anything, though.

Happy to agree to disagree, but I'm already enjoying the dividends personally and helping others at work and at home do the same.

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harshness

Oct 9, 2026

meStevo said:
This is true of literally anything, though.

Do you think that means we ought to be supporting it as the long-term solution?

Foxbat

Monday at 11:01 PM

Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:36 PM

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AI Agent Blamed for Deleting Entire Upcoming Season of TV Show

An AI agent reportedly deleted the entire final cut of the upcoming season of a Swedish reality competition show.

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dishstaller

Today at 10:05 AM

Been reading this thread but not commenting much, primarily because there is so much "news" out there on this topic and it is hard to tell what is real and what is theater.
My biggest problem with AI is that these agents are taught...not necessarily programmed but taught. Well, there's an old saying "garbage in/garbage out". I remember a Joe Rogan show a while back when he had Elon Musk on and they talked about AI and Elon said one of the AIs (can't remember which one, sorry) was asked which was worse, Thermonuclear War or mis-gendering Kaitlyn Jenner and it came back with the answer that mis-gendering was worse. Now forget the politics involved with all the gender stuff we have been subjected to the past few years.....to say that mis-gendering is worse than the killing of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of human beings.....Kaitlyn Jenner included.....is simply insane not to mention incredibly dangerous.

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply 46 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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FTA4PA

Today at 9:19 AM

Down On The Corner - Creedence Clearwater Revival

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dishstaller

Today at 9:56 AM

Mississippi Squirrel Revival - Ray Stevens

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Bobby

Today at 10:25 AM

Mississippi Cotton Picking Delta Town - Charley Pride

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harshness

Today at 11:29 AM

Delta Dawn - Tanya Tucker

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dishstaller

46 minutes ago

Can't You See - Marshall Tucker Band

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply 48 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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