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I'm contemplating signing up for the Turbo Gold package, and went through the on-line process up to the point where I opened up and read the sample contract. I said "yeah, yeah, yeah" until I read the underlined "we can raise rates whenever we want" paragraph. I interpreted the sum of all the legalese to specify that if Dish raises (without any "percentage of increase" limits, etc.) rates during the two year term it would not be a breach of contract, and thus my only recourse would be pay the increase or cancel and incur significant pro-rated penalty charges.

You who are on the provider side may think that I'm naive to get hung up on that clause, but I've signed many other contracts where the whole point of the contract was to hook me for an extended term but grandfather me at contract inception current price as an incentive to commit to that extended term. Am I missing something here, or is it just as simple as my interpretation would suggest?
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KAB
Unless a promotion clearly states a "lock-in" rate for a specific period of time, then yes Dish, DirectTV, Comcast, TWC and nearly every TV provider can and will raise rates that you are liable to pay over the course of your commitment...or terminate with penalty. Rates are raised regularly in the late winter, early spring.
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Where I am, TWC gives you a price lock for a contract. It'd be nice if Dish/Direct did the same but they won't. They won't raise the rates ridiculously, you just have to anticipate the raise every year anyway.

Not that I would sign a contract with TWC, so I don't get a price lock either.
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Unless a promotion clearly states a "lock-in" rate for a specific period of time, then yes Dish, DirectTV, Comcast, TWC and nearly every TV provider can and will raise rates that you are liable to pay over the course of your commitment...or terminate with penalty. Rates are raised regularly in the late winter, early spring.


Not really "apples to apples" when you include cable (at least my cable co.) which doesn't require a contract for most services. I can bail any time without incurring a punitive cancellation charge. With Dish (or DTV) I have to trust to faith that a provider's idea of a fair increase mirrors mine, and that doesn't sit well.

I have a really hard time imagining that either of those two main providers couldn't accurately forecast the cost of a fixed-price two year plan that would yield the same profit as what they would reap from me if I signed a current contract. I'm guessing that it just wouldn't be at the flashy price point that they're dangling to attract new business. If they can't look two years ahead (and it's not the same two years for their entire subscription base, because sign-ups are continuously staggered on a daily basis), then I don't have a warm fuzzy feeling about what I can expect to pay. What people seem to be telling me is that my $120 advertised savings for the first six months may be nearly offset by an inevitable rate increase that would take effect right around when I see my last $20 credit. That's quite a coincidence!

And yes - to save someone unnecessary keystrokes - I do recognize that I have a choice. That doesn't mean that the topic is not fair game.
KAB
KAB
IIRC, the "average" price increase for Dish this year was $6.00-$8.00. It varied by programing and equipment packages. One of the greatest contributors to to Dish's cost increases are the program providers. The sleaziest of them being some of the owners of local stations wanting to charge exorbitant re-transmission fees. Dish is often in a damned if you do, damned if you don't buy holding out against these demands. Good for most of us to keep the outlays down, bad for those in the markets that lose their locals for a period of time. Generally, Dish wins out in the end. In short, with provider contracts renewable yearly, it is hard to tell what two years out will bring.
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Not all stations like viacom, fox, etc., have their contracts coming up for renewal at the same time. So while DISH tends to review their rates once a year, their profitability changes with every one of those contract renewals with each station. So its hard to price lock someone when you don't know how much it will cost you to provide every channel they want for any extended length of time.

Subscriber acquisition costs tend to be $600 or higher per new customer. They have to manufacture the equipment you need, they have to pay for all the materials and labor to get you the services you want, and then they have to give you an additional incentive to come on board. Would you want to spend all that money on someone without some guarantee that they'll be with you a certain length of time? DISH is just being realistic when they say "programming and pricing is subject to change" since they can't really guarantee you they can bring you a channel like ESPN beyond the current contract they have with them since that contract doesn't necessarily expire at the same time as yours.
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Not really "apples to apples" when you include cable (at least my cable co.) which doesn't require a contract for most services. I can bail any time without incurring a punitive cancellation charge. With Dish (or DTV) I have to trust to faith that a provider's idea of a fair increase mirrors mine, and that doesn't sit well.


Does your cable provider charge for installation or other incidentals? If so you have to factor that into "how much does it cost for no commitment", if you decide to cancel after a short period of time. You could look at the history of Dish/Direct price increases over the last 10 years and I would expect to find a fairly consistent percentage increase each year. I used to pay yearly (in advance) with Dish, this accomplished two things: saved approx a month worth of charges (about 8.5%) and of course guaranteed the price for a year. I quit doing it because you are locked in to that particular programming package and I believe I tried to get it with one of the early hd packs and they didn't offer it on an annual basis. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over what Dish/Direct's increase is, whether or not I'm on a contract. I'm more worried about what our politicians (local, state & federal) are up to, that's always been a much bigger hit on my budget:(
You're doing the right thing, get as much info up front and make the decision that works best for your situation.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Take It Easy - The Eagles
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Take It as It Comes - Steve Winwood
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Take The Money and Run - Steve Miller Band
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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Weekly Analysis for 10/28/2026:
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ElectionHQ mixes testing with BBC News, CNBC, CNN, FBN, FNC, MSNOW, NewsMax and NewsNation

Some more reshuffles

Updating the TMSIDs for KSBI and KQCW to use the cable feeds with Thunder games instead of the OTA feeds

An additional commercial PPV channel is now on 9530
coolman302003
Monday 11/2 is a full slate for NBA League Pass as all 30 teams are playing and 14 out of 15 total games are on NBALP. Only one national TV game on Peacock/NBCSN (Thunder @ Cavs).

DirecTV is even having to use several MLB EI channels (from 745-748) and a NHL CI (770) channel to fit all of them in the guide close together. 5 games at 7:30 ET, 3 games at 8 ET, 2 games at 8:30 ET, 1 game at 9 ET, 3 games at 10 ET. Luckily NHL CI is light on Monday (3 games on CI).

DirecTV is providing both broadcast feeds for all League Pass games except Hornets, Magic, Bucks & Raptors that night. These are all teams that have local broadcasts via a OTA channel which is on spotbeams and have streaming deals (DTC) that are not exclusive DAZN teams which DirecTV just signed a deal with (à la Spurs, Grizzlies, Cavs, Pacers & T'Wolves). Its also very common that we don't get Raptors broadcast very often from TSN or Sportsnet Ontario on League Pass.

11/2/26 (MON) EASTERN7:00 PM7:30 PM8:00 PM8:30 PM9:00 PM10:00 PM
Peacock/NBCSNThunder @ Cavaliers
NBA League PassNonePistons (745) @ HornetsKings (755) @ Mavericks (756)Celtics (760) @ Rockets (761)Trail Blazers (764) @ Nuggets (765)Suns (769) @ Warriors (770)
Hawks (746) @ Pacers (747)Pelicans (757) @ Grizzlies (758)Jazz (762) @ Spurs (763)Raptors @ Clippers (766)
Nets (748) @ Knicks (751)Bucks @ T'Wolves (759)Heat (767) @ Lakers (768)
Wizards (752) @ Magic
Bulls (753) @ 76ers (754)
*No Hornets, Magic local broadcasts*No Bucks local broadcast*No Raptors local broadcast
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Only the Knicks, Nets, Wizards, Bulls, Celtics, Rockets, Lakers, Warriors, Avalanche, Sharks and Bruins feeds will be using remaps of 24/7 RSNs that night. The rest will be relying on the part time feeds, including the Nuggets, Blackhawks and Kings who will be on their alt/overflow channels, and MSG Western NY will be live on channel 635-1 to carry Buffalo area ads during the Knicks game.

The NHL Network alternate will be live on channel 215-1 with Red Wings @ Panthers for those blacked out of Golden Knights @ Bruins on the main feed.

The Thunder @ Cavaliers game will be on one of Peacock Game Pass channels that night for commercial customers, they'll also have the back to back U-Conn Women's and Men's Basketball. One of the part time feeds will also be in use for WWE Raw via Joe Hand promotions.
dtv757
I could be wrong but the only RSN we dont have is NBC SN Philadelphia .
Neutron
Supporting Founder
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Patrick Stewart died yesterday, October 28th at the age of 86. We lost yet another great actor. :(

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Rest in peace. Wow, so many good roles, but Jean Luc Picard will always be my favorite...
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R.I.P.
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Rest In Peace
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R.I.P., Jean-Luc.
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Last reply · posted in Movie Talk
Since the Reds have there thread we should too!

Last watched Nine inch Nails
Next 3:10 to Yuma
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Last: The Social Reckoning. Spoiler alert, they make Zuck look like a...
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Since it was already "paid" for, I spent the two hours of my time watching the John Cena action movie on Apple TV, "Matchbox The Movie" even though the reviews were brutal. It was better than I expected, so I didn't feel like I had wasted an afternoon watching it. But it felt like another "Reacher"/"Neghley"/"Mission: Impossible"/"Fast & Furious" crash and blow stuff up with lots of automatic gunfire mixed in movie featuring covert CIA operatives.

I don't think we'll get a follow-up movie from this. I expect Mattel will have other toy lines to exploit.
"MysteryMan"
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Last of the Dogmen is my favorite of hers.
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
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I loved it when Rodney was on the Tonight Show...
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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.
Thanks, I wasn't sure if you had the wrong Subject or the wrong YouTube link.
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Was a Don Rickles fan. I've dvr'd most of his appearances on Carson from the antenna tv replays.

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More Dangerfield rapid fire on Carson.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scEQFHQHHhU
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It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. :eek

Personally, I tend to be the type that drives a vehicle for a lot of years....do my own oil changes and other fluid changes. Just replaced the spark plugs and a couple coils. Youtube is great for things like this.

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I guess America can't afford 10 year autoloans
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Last reply · posted in SatelliteGuys Support Center
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
Don in CT
Just a heads up... I just patched our PHP to close the major PHP exploit announced this morning.

Now on PHP 8.4.27 (cli) (built: Oct 20 2026 00:00:00)
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
Scott Greczkowski
When I heard about this exploit I was wondering how quick you would be on it. :D
12 minutes after the patch was release I had it patched. :)
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A.I. - Be careful what you wish for…
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6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.
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6:43p Central was dumped off the site, then when I got back on could not reply to post. Down for several minutes.
Yeah... that was me...

I did another security update and it required me to reboot the server.

I also did a patch for something else and accidently put two ;'s in the config file so when the server rebooted it wouldn't restart a service because of the extra ; in the config file.

And of course as I did it my step dad called me slowing me down in figuring it out.

That was a Scott mistake. Sorry about that.
navychop
OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

Aww- nevermind.

;)
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Last reply · posted in The Phone & Tablet Zone
Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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harshness
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.
comfortably_numb
Gone are the days when Apple "perfects" what debuted years earlier on an Android phone.

Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
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Or better yet, innovate something "completely revolutionary!"
when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
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when was the last time they innovated something:rolleyes:
I'd probably say when they came up with their M-series of processors with integrated memory. That allowed Apple to get away from the inefficient Intel CPUs that were limiting their notebook computers.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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Almighty1
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
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I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
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Almighty1
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.
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meStevo
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Last reply · posted in TV Shows
Starting a thread klang !

After an amazing first 2 seasons and an 8 episode 3rd season still coming this year, season 4 has now been greenlit.

Keri Russell Wow GIF by NETFLIX
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Not in a hurry to watch it this time.
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Finished season 3 last night. Still one of my favorite shows.

Anyone else wonder if there might be something else going on with Callum? Seems to me he has too much access to Russian intelligence.
meStevo
One episode into season 4 that dropped today...

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Renewed for season 5.
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Finished 4 last night. Great stuff.

They do like to end each season with a Bang!