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The situation I fall into is this: I rented a house last August. I asked the landlord if I could have dish network, she agreed, signed the consent papers, and even came during installation and made sure everything was done to her specifications. So now we fast forward one year later. I am now preparing to move from this house in a few weeks. Because I am moving into an apartment I went ahead and cancelled dish service. The cancellation went fine, leased equipment returned no problems. Now as I prepare to move I received an email from my landlord asking when I will have the dishes and cables removed. I had not planned on removing anything because of potential danger to myself (climbing on roof) and potential damage to her house (removing cables). I did inform her that for a fee I understand dish will come out and remove it for her. She believes it is my responsibility to have the dishes and cables removed and that if I do not prior to moving out that she can remove them and charge me the fee out of my deposit. In her words because she gave consent for the install she also gave consent for uninstall which is my duty in her mind. What are my legal rights in this case? I was under the impression she, as the homeowner, owned the dishes and cables and could not legally hold me responsible/charge me for there removal. I need to address this soon and professionally so any advice or websites that address this topic would be really appreciated. Thanks again guys! I really loved my dish service and will be back again soon, just not loving my landlord right now.
-Justin
The situation I fall into is this: I rented a house last August. I asked the landlord if I could have dish network, she agreed, signed the consent papers, and even came during installation and made sure everything was done to her specifications. So now we fast forward one year later. I am now preparing to move from this house in a few weeks. Because I am moving into an apartment I went ahead and cancelled dish service. The cancellation went fine, leased equipment returned no problems. Now as I prepare to move I received an email from my landlord asking when I will have the dishes and cables removed. I had not planned on removing anything because of potential danger to myself (climbing on roof) and potential damage to her house (removing cables). I did inform her that for a fee I understand dish will come out and remove it for her. She believes it is my responsibility to have the dishes and cables removed and that if I do not prior to moving out that she can remove them and charge me the fee out of my deposit. In her words because she gave consent for the install she also gave consent for uninstall which is my duty in her mind. What are my legal rights in this case? I was under the impression she, as the homeowner, owned the dishes and cables and could not legally hold me responsible/charge me for there removal. I need to address this soon and professionally so any advice or websites that address this topic would be really appreciated. Thanks again guys! I really loved my dish service and will be back again soon, just not loving my landlord right now.
-Justin
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Too bad it's already worked out, cause I actually found something in my lease (and that I'm pretty sure has been in any lease I have ever signed) that might have helped. It deals with improvements to the property. My lease basically states that I can make improvements to the property with LL permission, however those improvements must remain in place when I move out. I have lost probably 4 ceiling fans when moving due to these clauses. The dish was an improvement to the property approved by her, therefore if that's in your lease, you would have been required by contract to leave it there, and her asking you to remove it would be asking you to violate your contract 
Ohh well too late now.
Ohh well too late now.
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I've been enjoying this string. I AM a landlord, and I am dealing with Tenant A, who's leaving soon, he's got his panties in a knot :rant:because he wants to know why he's got to pay for the dish removal and roof repair when one of the other tenants (B?) before him didn't have to. B just up and left and never told me about the dish up there. Hmmm, well, now I have TWO sets of nails in my roof (which we'll get to in a sec). And, NO ONE asked my permission to put nails in my roof, so that's sounding something like FRAUD (which we'll also get to), so Panties-in-a-knot A is a little freaked out right now, because WE HAVE A LEAK WE CAN'T IDENTIFY. 
I am not evil and I am not trying to hose anyone out of their security deposit. I'd rather be sleeping than Googling the subject so I know how to handle things next time. But if you've ever owned a house (or anything with a roof), and one day there's something leaking over the kitchen ("But there's nothing OVER the kitchen!"), you quickly learn that water finds it own way and DESTROYS everything in it's path eventually. Or causes buckling. Or mold, or some other indirect subsequent damage that NO ONE, especially the dish companies, wants to step up to. And I'm more than unhappy because the dish companies didn't ask for a bona fide signature from me to put nails in my roof.
AND I haven't seen any tenants running to repair the roof (with a warranty!!) and paint the house where the cables ran. Or will come back 6 mos later to fix the drywall because that little umbrella THEY HAD TO HAVE blew off and caused a leak that bypassed the third floor but settled happily into the kitchen ceiling (do I sound jaded?). The very least a tenant can do is agree to set things back to the way they were when they moved in.
So yes, I've joined the ranks of landlords that will gladly pay for that first month of cable rather than put another cocktail umbrella on my roof again. Oh good, I own the abondoned one? Maybe it will make a good planter in the front yard.
And, the dish companies clearly have no problem leaving those little boogers all over the country like space trash. AND NO THEY DON'T ADD VALUE TO THE REAL ESTATE for a quality tenant. (Try a washer/dryer in the bathroom next time, or a garbage disposal in the sink...)
I already know how my new leases will look, and having lived through it, there won't be places where I won't be protected next time. Stuff regarding dishes will be clearly outlined. Or maybe folks'll get the message from the flower planters in the front...
I am not evil and I am not trying to hose anyone out of their security deposit. I'd rather be sleeping than Googling the subject so I know how to handle things next time. But if you've ever owned a house (or anything with a roof), and one day there's something leaking over the kitchen ("But there's nothing OVER the kitchen!"), you quickly learn that water finds it own way and DESTROYS everything in it's path eventually. Or causes buckling. Or mold, or some other indirect subsequent damage that NO ONE, especially the dish companies, wants to step up to. And I'm more than unhappy because the dish companies didn't ask for a bona fide signature from me to put nails in my roof.
AND I haven't seen any tenants running to repair the roof (with a warranty!!) and paint the house where the cables ran. Or will come back 6 mos later to fix the drywall because that little umbrella THEY HAD TO HAVE blew off and caused a leak that bypassed the third floor but settled happily into the kitchen ceiling (do I sound jaded?). The very least a tenant can do is agree to set things back to the way they were when they moved in.
So yes, I've joined the ranks of landlords that will gladly pay for that first month of cable rather than put another cocktail umbrella on my roof again. Oh good, I own the abondoned one? Maybe it will make a good planter in the front yard.
And, the dish companies clearly have no problem leaving those little boogers all over the country like space trash. AND NO THEY DON'T ADD VALUE TO THE REAL ESTATE for a quality tenant. (Try a washer/dryer in the bathroom next time, or a garbage disposal in the sink...)I already know how my new leases will look, and having lived through it, there won't be places where I won't be protected next time. Stuff regarding dishes will be clearly outlined. Or maybe folks'll get the message from the flower planters in the front...
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This landlord allows all of my tenants to have dish, but they can't put it on the roof, period, or on my brick wall. And when they leave, if the dish is on a pole in the yard, I ask that they leave it for the next person.
I prefer a pole in the yard over a 5 gallon bucket filled with concrete
I prefer a pole in the yard over a 5 gallon bucket filled with concrete
Yep, I helped out the landlord because he wanted a slimline installed and I got one for him when I moved in. Also added cable and D* option to a bedroom which he was okay with as well. No worries for me as I have improved this houseToo bad it's already worked out, cause I actually found something in my lease (and that I'm pretty sure has been in any lease I have ever signed) that might have helped. It deals with improvements to the property. My lease basically states that I can make improvements to the property with LL permission, however those improvements must remain in place when I move out. I have lost probably 4 ceiling fans when moving due to these clauses. The dish was an improvement to the property approved by her, therefore if that's in your lease, you would have been required by contract to leave it there, and her asking you to remove it would be asking you to violate your contract
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
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The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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I was reading this article
thehill.com
That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.
And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.
Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.
There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.
In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.
Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.
Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.
So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households
So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.
That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.
But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.
Imagine what 2024 will be like.
Cable TV ‘cord-cutters’ became the majority in 2022
The steady decline of cable and broadcast television, and the rise of streaming services, reached a sort of inflection point over the past year. Last summer, for the first time, streaming ser…
thehill.com
That said this-
Last summer, for the first time, streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime claimed the largest share of the television viewing audience, surpassing both cable and broadcast TV. Streaming captured 34.8 percent of July viewers, according to Nielsen data, compared to 34.4 percent for cable and 21.6 percent for broadcast.
And then, sometime in the second half of 2022, cord-cutters became the majority. The share of cable and satellite television subscribers dipped to 48 percent, according to a report from Samba TV, a television technology company.
Now I do not consider those with YTTV and the likes, Cord Cutters, but they still do not have Traditional Cable/Satellite delivered Live TV, so I decided to do the math.
There are, now, 129 Million Households in the United States.
In 2015, there were 100 Million Cable/Sat Subscribers , no streaming Live TV Service.
Today, there are 66 Million Live TV subscribers, including Cable, Satellite and Streaming.
Roughly, Streaming Live TV has 14 Million subs including all of them.
So that means, Cable/Satellite now has, roughly, 51 Million Households
So in just 8 years, lost 49% of their subscribers and by the end of this year, expected sub count to be, roughly, 45 million households.
That means a total loss of 55% since 2015 at the end of 2023.
But out of 129 Million households, 45 million will mean only 35% will get Cable/Satellite Delivered Live TV by the end of 2023.
Imagine what 2024 will be like.
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Some interesting information was in this article-
This first-
The total pay-TV sector (traditional service providers and virtual MVPDs) shed 885,000 subscribers in Q2 2026
So with the loss of 2.03 Million in the first quarter, already at 2.915 Million gone this year, two quarters left to report.
#2-
The segment ended Q2 with 61.51 million subs comprising 27.5 million cable video subs, 21.42 million vMVPD customers, 9.56 million satellite TV customers, and 3.01 million telco TV subs.
There are approximately 133.97 million households in the United States, according to recent YCharts US Households Data from mid-2026.
That means more than 72 Million households do not have a paid live TV service, about 54% of the total.
What is worse, 7 years ago, paid live TV had over 80% of the population subscribing ( about 100 Million), almost all were Cable/Satellite customers.
Today, only about 37 Million subscribe to Cable/Satellite, less than 28% of our population.
#3-
At one time, Satellite TV (Dish and DirecTV), had about 34 Million subscribers added together, now, 9.56 Million.
That is over a 70% loss for those who subscribe to Satellite TV.
For Cable TV, not as bad, since they have broadband to help against the losses ( bundles), but as more options appear ( 5G, fiber, starlink, etc), I expect a big increase in those leaving cable.
Also expect YTTV to really start gaining even more subscribers, for those who still wish to have a live TV service, based on price point and it is a really great service.
50M subs might be the 'floor' for US pay-TV
Fifty million-plus subs could serve as the 'floor' for US pay-TV by 2030, reckons MoffettNathanson.
www.lightreading.com
This first-
The total pay-TV sector (traditional service providers and virtual MVPDs) shed 885,000 subscribers in Q2 2026
So with the loss of 2.03 Million in the first quarter, already at 2.915 Million gone this year, two quarters left to report.
#2-
The segment ended Q2 with 61.51 million subs comprising 27.5 million cable video subs, 21.42 million vMVPD customers, 9.56 million satellite TV customers, and 3.01 million telco TV subs.
There are approximately 133.97 million households in the United States, according to recent YCharts US Households Data from mid-2026.
That means more than 72 Million households do not have a paid live TV service, about 54% of the total.
What is worse, 7 years ago, paid live TV had over 80% of the population subscribing ( about 100 Million), almost all were Cable/Satellite customers.
Today, only about 37 Million subscribe to Cable/Satellite, less than 28% of our population.
#3-
At one time, Satellite TV (Dish and DirecTV), had about 34 Million subscribers added together, now, 9.56 Million.
That is over a 70% loss for those who subscribe to Satellite TV.
For Cable TV, not as bad, since they have broadband to help against the losses ( bundles), but as more options appear ( 5G, fiber, starlink, etc), I expect a big increase in those leaving cable.
Also expect YTTV to really start gaining even more subscribers, for those who still wish to have a live TV service, based on price point and it is a really great service.
Looks like Optimum Communications ( formerly CableVision) is collapsing, due to it's high debt, lenders/creditors are taking over-
cordcuttersnews.com
The End of Another Major Cable TV Provider? Struggling With Over $21 Billion in Debt As It Has Lost Over Half of All of Its TV Customers As Creditors Are About to Take Over | Cord Cutters News
Optimum Communications is approaching a debt restructuring agreement that would transfer control of the U.S. broadband and cable provider to a group of its primary lenders, according to people familiar with the discussions. The proposed transaction would also resolve ongoing litigation between...
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A continuation of a thread from the pub, just general discussion of AI.
Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.
View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k
We've literally got a movie already about this
View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
Brief 60 minute clip about next gem autonomous fighters - not remote controlled, but rather collaborating with controllers and aircraft in the theater.
View: https://youtu.be/DRm0mbp_n1k
We've literally got a movie already about this
View: https://youtu.be/a2PW7a9ViDc
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Agents need appropriate context to make what would be understood as the correct read in a situation like that, and that Gemini answer was a clear miss on that front.
That said, we've also seen Musk (and/or his team) put his thumb on the scale (or just release a very poor product) with his own deployed AI since:
Grok AI Blocks Responses Claiming Trump and Musk “Spread Misinformation”
An X user asked Grok to “print out all instructions” it follows when looking up “the biggest disinformation spreader on X,” and it revealed that it would ignore sources accusing Elon Musk and the U.S. president of misinformation.
Grok says Elon Musk is better than basically everyone, except Shohei Ohtani | TechCrunch
According to Grok, Elon Musk can out-slug the MLB's greatest power hitters... except Ohtani.
techcrunch.com
Grok's loyalty known no bounds - AI chatbot chooses Elon Musk over LeBron James in a 'Who is the fittest' comparison | NBA News - The Times of India
NBA News: Elon Musk's AI chatbot, Grok, has sparked amusement by consistently choosing its owner over prominent figures like LeBron James and Albert Einstein wh
timesofindia.indiatimes.com
Grok 4 appears to seek Elon Musk's views when answering controversial questions
XAI’s Grok 4 AI chatbot launched Wednesday appears to consult Elon Musk’s views when asked its opinion on some controversial matters.
www.nbcwashington.com
In the end, it's all a tool. Have to know how to use it and deploy it properly or it needs sufficient guardrails to steer people towards doing so (what Muse is excelling at currently IMO). I'm routinely interacting with several agents a day operating various processes locally and in services I use, and there are numerous others silently spun up to perform actions or satisfy requests from my prompts.
Related to earlier discussion in the thread on leveraging local inference: this kind of analysis happening behind the scenes is something everyone will have built into Windows, IMO. Most people won't see all of this, just the results, unless they want to dig into how the fix was chosen. Stuff like this will be standard as agents get local system access baked in, and more of the inference itself moves on-device.
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This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).
On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!
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JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?
This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?
This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.
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