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Broadcom's Advanced Satellite Communications Technology Selected By EchoStar's DISH Network(TM) Service
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Broadcom's Advanced Satellite Communications Technology Selected By
EchoStar's DISH Network(TM) Service

Advanced Modulation and Turbo Code Technology Deployed In EchoStar's
DISH Network High-Volume Set-Top Box Product Line=20

IRVINE, Calif., Dec. 1 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Broadcom Corporation
(NASDAQ:BRCM), a leading provider of silicon solutions enabling
broadband communications, today announced that EchoStar Communications
Corp. (NASDAQ:DISH) is using Broadcom's 8PSK (Phase Shift Keying) turbo
code technology across EchoStar's newest line of DISH Network(TM)
satellite TV receivers, including the DISH 111, DISH 311, DISH 322,
Dish Player-DVR 522, DISH 811 and Dish Player-DVR 921 products.

Broadcom's 8PSK turbo code is an advanced modulation and coding
technology that increases information throughput by 35 percent in a
given bandwidth or radio frequency link with no additional power
requirements. This capability allows EchoStar's DISH Network to
provide more programming services to subscribers using their current
dish antennas. With the help of Broadcom(R) turbo code technology in
DISH Network's new line of satellite set-top boxes, DISH Network hopes
to expand the wide variety of available video and audio programming to
include local stations for additional geographic areas, international
programming and bandwidth-hungry, high-definition TV programming.

"Our customers want access to more channels and are increasingly
requesting targeted programming and HDTV channels," said Mark Jackson,
Senior Vice President of EchoStar Technologies Corporation.
"Broadcom's turbo code technology enables us to deploy a field-proven
solution meeting the technical performance that our service offering
requires. We can provide our customers expanded services while
continuing to provide them the variety and premium quality channels
they have come to expect from DISH Network."

"The fact that EchoStar, one of the leading DBS service providers in
the U.S, has begun to use our technology across its satellite receiver
product line is a clear indication of Broadcom's ability to bring
advanced technology solutions to the cost-conscious consumer
electronics market," said Daniel A. Marotta, Vice President of
Broadcom's Broadband Communications Group. "We've invested over 3
years of effort working with EchoStar to take our 8PSK turbo code
solution from the initial specification to a rigorously tested
production ready product. It is satisfying to see our solution going
into volume deployments today which allow EchoStar to provide even more
services to their DISH Network customers."

Product Features

The BCM4500 is a highly integrated, all-digital satellite receiver that
supports BPSK, QPSK, and 8PSK modulation, operating with both advanced
modulation satellite systems and legacy QPSK systems. The advanced
modulation turbo-code forward error correction (FEC) decoder delivers
extremely high performance, approaching theoretical capacity limits,
with no requirement for external RAM. This versatile receiver
provides full variable rate operation from 1-30 Mbaud, providing
multiple operating points for optimal system deployment. Other
features include an integrated microcontroller for configuration,
acquisition and performance monitoring, and a host interface that
operates via a high-level application programmers' interface to reduce
host software development time and simplify system integration.

The BCM3440 Direct Conversion Satellite Tuner delivers superior
performance for the direct broadcast satellite market, and offers all
the advantages of standard logic CMOS process. The fact that the
BCM3440 is fabricated in CMOS technology is significant because it is a
widely available, cost-effective technology and provides a path for
integration with other Broadcom satellite products.

The BCM4500/BCM3440 chipset is available and is priced at $20 for
volume quantities. The BCM3440 is packaged in a 48-pin TQFP, while the
BCM4500 is offered in a 128-pin MQFP. The BCM94500 Advanced
Modulation reference design, which integrates the chipset, is available
today for system evaluation, test and design.

About Broadcom

Broadcom Corporation is a leading provider of highly integrated silicon
solutions that enable broadband communications and networking of voice,
video and data services. Using proprietary technologies and advanced
design methodologies, Broadcom designs, develops and supplies complete
system-on-a- chip solutions and related hardware and software
applications for every major broadband communications market. Our
diverse product portfolio includes solutions for digital cable and
satellite set-top boxes; cable and DSL modems and residential gateways;
high-speed transmission and switching for local, metropolitan, wide
area and storage networking; home and wireless networking; cellular and
terrestrial wireless communications; Voice over Internet Protocol
(VoIP) gateway and telephony systems; broadband network processors; and
SystemI/O(TM) server solutions. These technologies and products support
our core mission: Connecting everything(R).

Broadcom is headquartered in Irvine, Calif., and may be contacted at
1-949-450-8700 or at www.broadcom.com.

Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform
Act of 1995:

All statements included or incorporated by reference in this release,
other than statements or characterizations of historical fact, are
forward- looking statements. These forward-looking statements are based
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Important factors that may cause such a difference for Broadcom in
connection with the BCM3440, BCM4500 and BCM94500 products include, but
are not limited to, general economic and political conditions and
specific conditions in the markets we address, including the continuing
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and semiconductor industry, trends in the broadband communications
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and future customers and end-users adopt Broadcom's technologies and
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availability and pricing of competing products and technologies and the
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and pricing of third party semiconductor foundry and assembly capacity
and raw materials; fluctuations in the manufacturing yields of our
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fabrication, assembly, testing or delivery of our products; the risks
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customer; our ability to specify, develop or acquire, complete,
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sales and pricing concessions on volume sales; the effects of new and
emerging technologies; changes in our product or customer mix;
intellectual property disputes and customer indemnification claims and
other types of litigation risk; problems or delays that we may face in
shifting our products to smaller geometry process technologies and in
achieving higher levels of design integration; the quality of our
products and any remediation costs; the effectiveness of our expense
and product cost control and reduction efforts; the risks and
uncertainties associated with our international operations,
particularly in light of recent events; the effects of natural
disasters, public health emergencies, international conflicts and other
events beyond our control; the level of orders received that can be
shipped in a fiscal quarter; and other factors.

Our Annual Report on Form 10-K, subsequent Quarterly Reports on Form
10-Q, recent Current Reports on Form 8-K, and other Securities and
Exchange Commission filings discuss the foregoing risks as well as
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or otherwise affect our business, results of operations and financial
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of this date. We undertake no obligation to revise or update publicly
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Broadcom(R), the pulse logo, Connecting everything(R) and SystemI/O(TM)
are trademarks of Broadcom Corporation and/or its affiliates in the
United States and certain other countries. EchoStar(R) and DISH
Network(TM) are trademarks of EchoStar Communications Corporation. All
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CONTACT: Press, Laura Brandlin, Director of Marketing Communications,
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Technical Contact, Stuart Thomson, Product Line Manager,
+1-949-926-6215, or
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rtt2
Compressing locals a further 30% would make a dent I bet in capacity. I also wonder if they decide to take the locals in the markets where there are wing slots and put them all on one dish in 8psk. Perhaps a receiver swap may be cheaper than installing a new Dish 300 and necessary switches and cabling. It would certainly please the FCC getting locals on one dish. They could then reuse or resell the swapped receivers and get some money in return.
Or they could put up new standard channels in 8psk only. Kind of like they did DiscoveryHD, providing an incentive to upgrade your receiver. The prospect of new content and channels like HBO Zone or @Max would cause me to upgrade.
There are just a lot of receivers out there. 9 million customers and god knows how many receivers.
rtt2
2001 press release about the chip giving more detail. I am sure some figures are not as accurate because it is over 2 years old


Broadcom Chipset Increases Satellite Bandwidth up to 50 Percent; EchoStar's DISH Network Endorses New Broadcom Technology.
Business Wire, June 20, 2001

Business Editors/High-Tech Writers

IRVINE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 20, 2001

Broadcom Corporation (Nasdaq:BRCM), the leading provider of integrated circuits enabling broadband communications, today announced the availability of the industry's most highly integrated, highest performance silicon solution for reception of consumer satellite TV services. Broadcom has designed a chipset that can increase channel offerings for satellite TV companies while utilizing existing satellite bandwidth. The Broadcom(R) BCM4500 Advanced Modulation Receiver and BCM3440 CMOS Satellite TV Tuner together enable service providers like EchoStar's DISH Network(TM) to gain a more than 35 percent increase in useable bandwidth from their existing satellites. The BCM4500 also achieves a bandwidth improvement of up to 50 percent compared to standard digital video broadcast satellite (DVB-S) transmissions that are in use today.

Broadcom designed this new chipset to enable satellite TV providers to offer additional high-definition television services and more channels while using the current satellite frequencies licensed to Direct Broadcast Satellite (DBS) providers. For example, Broadcom's chipset will allow a DBS operator to deliver three high-definition TV (HDTV) channels over a single satellite transponder instead of the two channels currently available. Satellite TV broadcasters can also use this technology to transmit a greater number of revenue-generating HDTV channels to each customer without requiring consumers to change their hardware. The Broadcom chipset is adaptable to current industry set top boxes that were manufactured with an expansion port, such as the DISH Network Model 6000 HDTV satellite receiver.

"Our customers want access to more channels, and they are increasingly demanding bandwidth-intensive HDTV channels," said Mark Jackson, Senior Vice President of EchoStar Technologies Corp. "Broadcom's advanced satellite TV compression technology can allow us to begin planning for future expansion of our high definition TV services while continuing to offer our customers the variety and premium quality channels they have come to expect from DISH Network."

Broadcom's BCM4500 receiver achieves breakthrough levels of data throughput by implementing 8PSK (Phase Shift Keying) modulation along with advanced Forward Error Correction based on turbo codes, which enable low-power, reliable communications.

"Broadcom is now delivering satellite technology that outperforms anything available today. We believe that the BCM4500 and BCM3440 will contribute to the continued expansion of the direct-to-home video market, and help accelerate the two-way satellite market," said Tim Lindenfelser, Vice President and General Manager of Broadcom's Broadband Communications Business Unit. "Broadcom has established a clear leadership position in developing cost-effective CMOS chips for converging communications markets that boost performance to previously unattainable levels."

Product Features

The BCM4500 is a highly integrated, all-digital satellite receiver that supports BPSK, QPSK, 8PSK and 16QAM modulation, operating with both advanced modulation satellite systems and legacy QPSK systems. The advanced modulation turbo-code Forward Error Correction (FEC) decoder delivers extremely high performance, approaching theoretical capacity limits, with no requirement for external RAM. This versatile receiver provides full variable rate operation from 1-30 Mbaud, providing multiple operating points for optimal system deployment. Other features include an integrated microcontroller for configuration, acquisition and performance monitoring, and a host interface that operates via high-level application programmers interface to reduce host software development time and simplify system integration.

The BCM3440 Direct Conversion Satellite Tuner delivers superior performance for the direct broadcast satellite market, and offers all the advantages of standard logic CMOS process. CMOS technology is significant because it is a widely available, cost-effective technology and provides a path for integration with other Broadcom satellite products.

Designed to operate with the BCM4201 QPSK Satellite Receiver and the BCM4500 Advanced Modulation Receiver, the BCM3440 provides extremely low phase noise to enable high performance 8SPK operation with low-cost QPSK LNBs (Low Noise Block Converters). It is designed to support the full DVB-S operating range with support for 950 to 2150 MHz L-Band input frequencies. The BCM3440 is based on a direct-conversion architecture to reduce external component count and increase performance.

The BCM4500/BCM3440 chipset is currently sampling and is priced at $20 for volume quantities. The BCM3440 is packaged in a 48-pin TQFP, while the BCM4500 is offered in a 128-pin MQFP. The BCM94500 Advanced Modulation Reference Design, which integrates the chipset, is available today for system evaluation, test and design.
Z
www.cpwave.net

has the p3 up and running and has the p4 hack....just rhough id let you know :)
Z
BS - Zuki is a known scammer and thief

zuki1 said:
has the p3 up and running and has the p4 hack....just rhough id let you know :)


the p3 is not up and running zuki has taken money from countless people for a script that does nothing

the p4 is not hacked either
Scott Greczkowski
Hack talk is NOT allowed.
dishstaller
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Love this guy's channel. Looks like Walmart has thrown in the towel when it comes to conventional car batteries.

I bought a new AGM battery from Walmart about a year ago, it is already needing replacing. I thought about just buying a regular battery but from what I've read, that might not be a smart move. Might check my Forscan program and see if I can change the battery type from AGM.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awe7kY5nvdU
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harshness
When you need a battery, you need a battery.

If you can wait, new technologies are on the not-too-distant horizon.

You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.
Jimbo
The guy in the Video, REALLY needs to TAKE a Breath ...
If he'd Slow down, you could figure out What he's testing and on what. :(
harshness
If he'd Slow down, you could figure out What he's testing and on what.
You can't view his videos passively.

I appreciate this approach to videos that take an hour to deliver a fraction of the same data.

Now, if YouTube were required to flag the AI "reviews", that would really be something.
dishstaller
You're probably doing something wrong if you're only getting a year out of an AGM battery. Heat and infrequent charging both significantly reduce lifetime.
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
Jimbo
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
And the Walmart ones mostly had very little warranty.

My last AGM (using now) I got from O Rielly's, its the Super Start ... I got the Platnium, they had several to choose from.
TRG
TRG
Huh? How can I be doing something wrong.....I took out the original battery, that was 6 yrs old and put in a new one.....kinda hard to screw that up. I figure it was just a bad battery....it happens.


The biggest takeaway I got from this video was the Walmart batteries only had something like 85% of battery life left even though they were brand NEW. The ones from O'Reilly all tested 100% of life left.
I've been buying my batteries from AutoZone. I avoid Walmart whenever possible.
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dishstaller
I appreciate this approach to videos that take an hour to deliver a fraction of the same data.
That's the way I feel about it.
I hate those videos where they show themselves slowly opening up the box and unwrapping it.
His videos are probably the fastest pace test videos on Youtube.
T
He sounds like he's trying to sell me a pocket hose.

I just had to replace a car battery this week and thought I'd look into LiFePo4. Amazon has plenty of them, but all have top posts and only one 'also' has side connections (Group 75).Then I read that they're really lousy in the cold. So, an AGM, but again, almost nothing with side terminals instead of top. In researching that, I read that most mfrs in recent years have dropped side terminals and gone back to the old top posts, which is surprising to me since those are more corrosion-prone, cause the battery to need more space and are generally more hazardous. Finally I just threw up my hands and bought a regular lead-acid at Sam's Club. They had a Group 75 "Duracell" with side terminals only. It was virtually the only such battery with side posts on their shelves
arlo
Had a Die Hard in my folks cellar for over 6 years. Pulled it out, slapped it on a charger for a day. Put it in my 'Cuda and drove it around for a week of my vacation. Next year, the same. But my dad kept it topped off for me.It was a mid 80's battery in early 1990.

Flooded acid batteries like a float voltage of around 13.5-13.8 voltage.
AGM needs a float of 14.2 volts. So if you slap an AGM in where a flooded was. It never gets a full charge.
"Why do they die so fast?" Question answered. There are folks who sell voltage regulators for alternators that are designed to boost float voltage for AGM batteries.
The other way around? Flooded will gas-off a little at 14.2 volts. But seems to tolerate it pretty good.

Lithium car/bike/atv batteries. After 3 batteries in my Harley. The OEM flooded and two AGM's (before the 14.2 volt float requirement to let them live was learned). I bought a lithium for it. 4 year, no gripe warranty after having it tested by an approved store.
The thing started like Thor himself sent a bolt from the sky. Except......try to start it around freezing? Nope. Needed a heating pad.
And I usually like to park it around events in the evening with the parking light on. Looks cool like that.
We could traipse around for a few hours no worries. Hop on, fire it up, and go putt around.
Lithium? A Dakota Lithium at least. The BMS shuts it right down if it discharges below <something>.
Come back. Parking lights off. Won't start. And you know the rest. But it lasted 6 years. A lot better than 'new every two'. And the fact that powersports batteries are warranted for six, maybe nine months. Ludicrous.

I called Noco. Asked all of the right questions. Great warranty. Save some bucks ordering directly, faster service that the wally world alternative.
They addressed (or claimed over the phone) that the shut down was addressed. Sure. The BMS keeps it form being damaged. But if it is shut down because it does become low. Shut down any load (key on, parking or headlights left on) for 10-15 minutes and you get a second try to start your rig. Not a bad thing if it really works. Right?!

Exide, Interstate? Be very afraid. They ain't what they used to be. In Florida my '70 Cutlass had an Interstate (early 90') that lasted 6 years until it dropped its plates at an intersection and boiled over. In Florida, mind you. The last Interstate.....done in 2. Guys down there would suck out the acid and put water in shortly before the warranty ran out. Make it to the auto parts, get them tested. And get a new one pro rated. No more pro rating.
You can't beat an Odyssey. Napa, AC Deco (the better ones). Yup.
The mom and pop Car Quest only sells Die Hard. For a reason, the old man says. So they convinced that a Die HArd Platinum was the hot ticket for me. l will see. Stand by!

You can't cut Mr. Project Farm down. He does great tests of all sorts of things. Not sponsored and pressured to slap a little sugar on his comparisons and reviews. Compared to the Brits and Aussies with their constant overzealous and same sounding (Dave from EEVblog) rant. I like P-Farm a lot. Of course I like AvE (Boltr) too.
Reminds me to beware when wearing shorts around the garage vice.


Opinions may vary.
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I collect and play vinyl records regularly. A friend of mine told me about a record stash located inside an antique mall. So naturally I had to go go check it out.

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Scott Greczkowski
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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This Diamond Ring - Gary Lewis And The Playboys
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Gondoliers, Shakespeares, Overseers, Playboys and Bums - Norman Greenbaum
Bobby
I Wish I Was Eighteen Again - George Burns
harshness
I Wish - Stevie Wonder
EatMyVolts
Lonesome Road -- The Wonder Who?
Van
Van
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Who says dinner or lunch has to be the only good meals of the day?

Honey butter grits with scrambled eggs and grilled boneless pork ribs on flakey biscuits washed down with cranberry juice.
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dfergie
Speaking of waffles, I'm going to put my mini waffle iron on stove so I'll remember to make waffles in the morning... Had some last week, been awhile.
dfergie
Dos cackleberrys over easy on top of 2 corned beef hash patties fried in skillet... Chocolate milk.
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Cold morning today, only 32 degrees. Fired up the oven and made cinnamon rolls (from a tube) and a pot of coffee.
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2 egg burrito with bacon and a side of hashbrowns. Coffee.

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TRG
Breakfast Quesadillas. Grilled flour tortilla filled with scrambled eggs, hash browns, chopped green chile, cheddar & Jack cheese and bacon. Coffee.

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osu1991
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The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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meStevo

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
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harshness
If it weren't for the sky-high electricity prices...

Of course, the real scare with Winter coming is the insane cost of heating oil.
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GM said its next-generation vehicle architecture will provide 40 times more computing power and 30 percent less wiring than before and will expand from the 2028 Cadillac Escalade IQ to its high-volume SUVs, trucks, crossovers, and fourth-generation EVs, which will be powered by lithium manganese-rich (LMR) prismatic batteries

Despite the politicization and perceived consumer pivot away from EVs in America, GM needs to remain globally competitive, so it's doubling down on its fourth generation EVs, with energy-dense, cheaper-to-manufacture LMR batteries, more efficient motors, and state-of-the-art centralized computing architecture. With a stated goal of cutting the traditional four- to five-year concept-to-production time in half, GM is clearly challenging the concept of "China speed," which in the Chinese automotive industry can be as quick as 18 months from design to start of production. In the AI space, GM is smartly collapsing all of its marque-specific apps under the familiar OnStar brand, while providing more features—both on the phone and in the car—than it ever has before.
harshness
Let's tell it like it is. GM's EV efforts are coming from SAIC. The brain trust is almost entirely in China, and GM is hanging off of SAIC's shirt tails.

It is a lot like asserting that the Corvette was designed by Chevrolet when most of it came from the Cadillac CTS-V.
T

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.​
That's how Ford did it- vertical integration. He even set up a rubber plantation in S. America
TheForce
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Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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TheForce
Heard a story from one of the Apple influencers on YT that the 18PM has a bug where it stops connecting to AT&T service. Doesn't affect Verizon or T-Mobile. Apple is replacing the phones. Anyone else hear of this? Defective Modem?
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harshness
Defective Modem?
It seems the phone gets locked into Sat mode. A software patch is coming to avoid that pitfall, but it comes too late for those who already fell in.

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comfortably_numb
Can't remember if I've posted this yet..


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfL5seXJyWU
Foxbat
If you ponied up for an iPhone Duo, keep it away from anything other than your soft, fleshy fingertips. No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter. And don't bend it more than it needs to. Zack has destroyed $2,000 of Apple hardware to get those views, which should cover his expenses.
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comfortably_numb
No fingernails, no dust, sand, dirt, or other particulate matter

And definitely no medieval chain armor!
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harshness
medieval chain armor
Aka "mail" or "maille".
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
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Jimbo
Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
I use to watch that with my Dad back in the (60's ?) was that the 60's ?
K
I use to watch that with my Dad back in the (60's ?) was that the 60's ?
Mid 60's. I watched it too.
TRG
TRG
I loved all the Irwin Allen productions.
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
When?
Foxbat
Mid 60's. I watched it too.
I had built models of the Seaview and the Flying Sub as a kid.
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KAB
I loved all the Irwin Allen productions.
I thought Voyage was decent (for the first two seasons). The rest, not so much. All other shows were pretty lame, IMO. Especially Land of the Giants.
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Daisy Ridley to Star in New Take on 'Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea' at Paramount+

I'm not usually a fan of remakes but the description provided in the article does intrigue me.
Barbara Even, LOL (cast of original film from article).
harshness
I remember hiding behind the couch from the many sea monsters.
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Now right up front....this is NOT intended to devolve into a "pot is good" vs "pot is bad" thread. The whole point is to make you aware of a potential problem that a person can develop when they start smoking pot at a young age. Not that they WILL, but CAN. Kinda like getting lung cancer from smoking cigs....some do, some don't. The purpose of posting this news story is to keep anyone from paying an outrageous emergency room bill......knowledge is power.
While this may not affect you, you might run into someone who is experiencing these symptoms and can share the info. Fortunately, it looks like stopping smoking is the cure and isn't a permanent condition.

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harshness
Another "might" with weed is gynecomastia (significant male breast enlargement).