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I have noticed for the last few weeks that the HD picture quality is not what it used to be. In fact, it looks like wide screen SD, no matter what channel I flip to. SD is still the same and quite good in some cases even better looking than HD depending on individual channel compression I assume. Now my question is, could it be something with the receiver or my SONY Rear LCD Projection TV ( like DLP). Unless other folks have noticed HD Lite becoming HD Liter in the last few weeks.
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As someone who has just switched from DirecTV, I can firmly say that Dish's HD PQ is on par with DirecTV. Neither one is better than the other. However SD on Dish is far superior than that on DirecTV. I am pointed to the eastern arc if that matters.
bobvick
As someone who has just switched from DirecTV, I can firmly say that Dish's HD PQ is on par with DirecTV. Neither one is better than the other. However SD on Dish is far superior than that on DirecTV. I am pointed to the eastern arc if that matters.

I agree with you that the SD quality is much better than DirecTV. Some SD channels on DirecTV looked almost like YouTube feeds.
HD seems to be about the same for me, except I think that my locals may have been a bit sharper on DirecTV. The 722K is worth the switch though, and I am looking foreward to the 922.
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I agree with you that the SD quality is much better than DirecTV. Some SD channels on DirecTV looked almost like YouTube feeds.
HD seems to be about the same for me, except I think that my locals may have been a bit sharper on DirecTV. The 722K is worth the switch though, and I am looking foreward to the 922.

Chiller is one of my favorite channels and Chiller looked completely washed out on D* while on E* it is much more vibrant and full of color. And the black looks black, not a dark shade of gray like on D*. And the 722K is definitely worth the switch on it's own.
bobvick
Chiller is one of my favorite channels and Chiller looked completely washed out on D* while on E* it is much more vibrant and full of color. And the black looks black, not a dark shade of gray like on D*. And the 722K is definitely worth the switch on it's own.

Were't you with Dish before you were with DTV? I was, and at that time I was at 110,119,129. I find that the Eastern Arc SD channels look better than I remember the WA SD channels looking, even though I understand that the EA SD channels are broadcast at 480x480 while WA in MPEG-2 are at a slightly higher resolution.
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Were't you with Dish before you were with DTV? I was, and at that time I was at 110,119,129. I find that the Eastern Arc SD channels look better than I remember the WA SD channels looking, even though I understand that the EA SD channels are broadcast at 480x480 while WA in MPEG-2 are at a slightly higher resolution.

Yes I was. It was over two years ago and I was with Dish for 3 years I think. I was pointed to the WA with no problems. Within that time, I had upgraded to HD and my installer said that 129 was "iffy" for me since it was so low in the sky. But I never had any signal drop-outs. I had the 722 then and the 722K now. I don't remember much difference in PQ between the two except with SD which looks better (again, on EA now).
MikeD-C05
As someone who has just switched from DirecTV, I can firmly say that Dish's HD PQ is on par with DirecTV. Neither one is better than the other. However SD on Dish is far superior than that on DirecTV. I am pointed to the eastern arc if that matters.

I too noticed that sd channels look better on Eastern arc vs western arc. Hd looked slightly better to me on Directv when I had it a year or so ago , but not enough to make that much difference to me. Besides the directv receivers sucked in comparison to DISH's vip series of hd dvr receivers.
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mlb
Yes I was. It was over two years ago and I was with Dish for 3 years I think. I was pointed to the WA with no problems. Within that time, I had upgraded to HD and my installer said that 129 was "iffy" for me since it was so low in the sky. But I never had any signal drop-outs. I had the 722 then and the 722K now. I don't remember much difference in PQ between the two except with SD which looks better (again, on EA now).

When I left E* about a year ago (last July 29th, to be exact) the PQ had gone down significantly. D* HD channels were significantly more vibrant, the picture really popped. I have a few friends with E* and large TV's like mine, and all of them notice the PQ difference between the E* and D*. D* definitely has a better PQ right now.
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mlb
Hd looked slightly better to me on Directv when I had it a year or so ago , but not enough to make that much difference to me. Besides the directv receivers sucked in comparison to DISH's vip series of hd dvr receivers.

There is no doubt that E*'s hardware is better. MUCH BETTER. But (sounding like a broken record), PQ is not even close if you have a very large TV.
whatchel1
Not quiet believable

There is no doubt that E*'s hardware is better. MUCH BETTER. But (sounding like a broken record), PQ is not even close if you have a very large TV.

I'm sorry but I just have problem believing there is that much difference. They both are using the same encoders to transmit the programming to us. I just wonder if once you switched you had someone come in and help with the set-up of your set. There is just not that much difference seen by too many people for me to beleive just one. I also wonder if it is I now have Directv so of course it looks much better. Funny how the mind can get you to believe you made the best decision.
MikeD-C05
People will rationalize their decisions to switch by saying "Oh the hd picture looks so much better now that I switched !" when they switch from Dish to Directv. The truth is the picture did look slightly better to me when I had DIRECTV on HD but the sd picture sucked balls . I had both for some time a year or so ago and I noticed this but back then a lot of channels we watched were in still in sd , so I put this as a negative against DIRECTV. Then there was the receiver issues with the HR 21 compared to my 622 :NO comparison at all. THe 622 won in every category except in video on demand; Directv won on that one. Then personally, I hated the channel guide and where the channels were located with DIRECTV: Like a drunk layed them out. DIRECTV DID have more hd channels than DISH -back then-NOT now. So when I added up the cost with DIRECTV , I concluded I was paying so much more than DISH for the similar pack of programming. So in the end I said to myself the negatives out weighed the one positive of "slightly " better hd pq and the couple of hd channels I didn't have back then; Sci fi and FX. I kept DISH and dumped DIRECTV. I made the right decision for my family because DISH has those channels and more than DIRECTV in national and premium movie channels. The new 722k rocks with the ability to record 4 shows at one time; 2ota /2sat. DIRECTV still can't do that one. I don't even notice the hd picture quality being any different since I don't have DIRECTV or cable to compare to. Besides if I really want to make the hd picture shine I can always turn the contrast way up and the hd picture looks better than ever .
NotMe546
People will rationalize their decisions to switch by saying "Oh the hd picture looks so much better now that I switched !" when they switch from Dish to Directv. The truth is the picture did look slightly better to me when I had DIRECTV on HD but the sd picture sucked balls . I had both for some time a year or so ago and I noticed this but back then a lot of channels we watched were in still in sd , so I put this as a negative against DIRECTV. Then there was the receiver issues with the HR 21 compared to my 622 :NO comparison at all. THe 622 won in every category except in video on demand; Directv won on that one. Then personally, I hated the channel guide and where the channels were located with DIRECTV: Like a drunk layed them out. DIRECTV DID have more hd channels than DISH -back then-NOT now. So when I added up the cost with DIRECTV , I concluded I was paying so much more than DISH for the similar pack of programming. So in the end I said to myself the negatives out weighed the one positive of "slightly " better hd pq and the couple of hd channels I didn't have back then; Sci fi and FX. I kept DISH and dumped DIRECTV. I made the right decision for my family because DISH has those channels and more than DIRECTV in national and premium movie channels. The new 722k rocks with the ability to record 4 shows at one time; 2ota /2sat. DIRECTV still can't do that one. I don't even notice the hd picture quality being any different since I don't have DIRECTV or cable to compare to. Besides if I really want to make the hd picture shine I can always turn the contrast way up and the hd picture looks better than ever .
You go Mike.:D
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I'm sorry but I just have problem believing there is that much difference. They both are using the same encoders to transmit the programming to us. I just wonder if once you switched you had someone come in and help with the set-up of your set. There is just not that much difference seen by too many people for me to beleive just one. I also wonder if it is I now have Directv so of course it looks much better. Funny how the mind can get you to believe you made the best decision.

In my opinion, picture quality comparisons are futile. Some people think a super-bright, edge-enhanced, over-saturated image has a lot of POP and makes for a superior image. Others don't see obvious PQ flaws and think their U-Verse HD is the greatest thing ever. A lot of people think coax-fed 480i stretched to 46" is awesome HD, while others won't be happy with anything less than FiOS.

You've just got to be happy with what you see. IMO, Dish HD looks really good at 67" from 11 feet away.
JimK2
When I left E* about a year ago (last July 29th, to be exact) the PQ had gone down significantly. D* HD channels were significantly more vibrant, the picture really popped. I have a few friends with E* and large TV's like mine, and all of them notice the PQ difference between the E* and D*. D* definitely has a better PQ right now.

A lot has happened since July 29th 2008. MPEG4, 8PSK and DVB-S2 upgrade, now their transponder Mux rate is around ~50Mbps. I still say anything sourced in MPEG4 is just passed through by DISH, just like DirecTV. Most of the

If DISH does anything to the signal they receive from the content providers, it would be to do something like substitute "P Fames" with "B Fames" in the mpeg stream which would effect motion blur but not the PQ of a static image.

Who Has The Best HD Picture? - The Satellite Dish | Blog on Multichannel News
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A lot has happened since July 29th 2008. MPEG4, 8PSK and DVB-S2 upgrade, now their transponder Mux rate is around ~50Mbps. I still say anything sourced in MPEG4 is just passed through by DISH, just like DirecTV. Most of the

If DISH does anything to the signal they receive from the content providers, it would be to do something like substitute "P Fames" with "B Fames" in the mpeg stream which would effect motion blur but not the PQ of a static image.

I have evidence to the contrary. Forum rules prevent me from identifying the specifics, but on my FTA system I have recorded the original transport streams of H.264 HD master feeds in the clear. When I compare them to R5000 recordings of the raw transport streams from my DN subscribed receivers at the same time, the latter are downrezzed and are at substantially lower data rates. They have been recompressed. Sorry.
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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That was part of the Ergen scheme, to sell the product as well as the service. And who didn't want the best box?

Maybe they went to the hopper because they were running out of 3-digit model #s- 1022 would have been kinda clunky. Folks would have tried to say "one-thousand and twenty two" instead of "ten-twenty-two".

Like some say "two thousand and twenty six".
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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KAB
922 was a train wreck. The end!
dishdude
922 was a train wreck. The end!

I know I regretted that purchase!
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I looked for wrecked trains on ebay and those are hard to find too!
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
rvvaquero
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
b4pjoe
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
Yes the Cowboys owner needs to fire the general manager (himself), co-owner, Chief Operating Officer (COO), Executive Vice President, Director of Player Personnel, and President of AT&T Stadium (his son) and then he should jump off of a cliff. Only then can they recover.
rvvaquero
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
dfergie
I was a devout Cowboy fan in the Landry era, grudgingly gave Jimmy his due, since then not so much, the Jones family took care of that...
b4pjoe
Nice knowing you Brian…

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meStevo
The situation w/ the Titans and Jordan Elliott is scary.


Makes me think of the Javon Belcher murder suicide.
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.
K
Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
They're finally live in the app's API, doing a check

PISTONS is not available in Detroit (WMYD/20), it is available in the rest of Michigan including Marquette who also gets the games on their MyNet station WJMN/3, along with the Toledo DMA and the northern portions of the South Bend and Fort Wayne DMAs.

THUNDER is available in OKC and Tulsa, so I wonder if DTV is just going to keep the OTA feeds of KSBI/52 and KQCW/19 and direct viewers to 675 for the rest of the games.
On stream it's in Choice for Oklahoma (inlcuding the Oklahoma portions of the Amarillo, Sherman-Ada, Wichita Falls-Lawton and Joplin DMAs) and Western Arkansas and requires Sports Pack for Nebraska, Kansas and Western Missouri, I'm not sure if it's the same for satellite.
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
It appears we are not getting both home & away feeds out of market on League Pass for these teams either…

I've been watching the Spurs home feed on channel 676-1 (was part time San Antonio specific feed) out of market with NBALP for YEARS on satellite (through the multiple iterations of Fox Sports SW, Bally Sports SW, FanDuel Sports SW) Looks like that will not happen unless a deal is reached with DAZN. I do see the placeholder channel on 680 if it happens.
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It appears we are not getting both home & away feeds out of market on League Pass for these teams either…
Center Ice does have the non-carried feeds, including the Hurricanes, Wild, Blues and Blue Jackets and spotbeam local only teams like the Panthers, Mammoth and Golden Knights. So it probably depends on the available part time bandwidth each night as things they are able to provide to in market viewers in the 600s, PPV Events in the 100s and commercial events in the 9000s get priority first, along with games where neither team has a remappable feed.
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Just finished S2. Watching Gary Oldman as deshvilved, dejected MI-6 agent, Jackson Lamb, is one of the best things streaming right now. Already 2 more seasons in the works. HIGHLY recommended. And yes, Mick Jagger sings the theme.
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A fine top notch TV show which is light years ahead!!😎👍
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A fine top notch TV show which is light years ahead!!😎👍
"Jackson Lamb for Prime Minister! "
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Mrs. Foxbat and I are enjoying another great season so far. We only had to turn on the captions a few times.
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KAB
Mrs. Foxbat and I are enjoying another great season so far. We only had to turn on the captions a few times.
I think this new season is a little too slow of a burn (as of ep #4, probably due to new show runner. However, I can't wait to find out what's up with Taverner!
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Well, the season finale went balls to the wall. Non stop action and several twisted twists. Gary Oldman at his best. Very well written and executed. Tavener owes Jackson big time. Only "if" was Jack Lowden's (River) cliffhanger, especially admin-st the buzz that he is the next James Bond in waiting.
K
Planning to start the new season tonight. :)
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ppappas
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On Tuesday, I recorded the first episodes of the new season's NCIS shows on CBS (Dish provided, not OTA). The new New York series and Origins will both do Auto Skip, but the original, now season 24 does not. What's stranger, when I do a search for NCIS, Origins and New York show the current recording and the next episode it will record, but the original show only shows the current recording and some other channel showing the very first episode of season one. It makes no sense. When I set up the timers, I was able to use search for Origins and New York, but for the original, I had to scroll ahead in the guide until last Tuesday when the show was airing. Then set the timer from there. You can see its timer type is DVR where the other two are Seek. What am I missing?
Thanks!
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Nebugeater
It is obviose some people do not know the diffornece between auto skip and FF
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It is obviose some people do not know the diffornece between auto skip and FF
And there is a difference between fast forward and skip forwad....
tanman
With both CBS and Fox autohop (as we know) is not enabled for a week..But after 24 hours if you mash the FF button until the red kangaroo shows up in the bottom right you wont overshoot the program. No need to try to figure how long the break is.
Cold Irons
With both CBS and Fox autohop (as we know) is not enabled for a week..But after 24 hours if you mash the FF button until the red kangaroo shows up in the bottom right you wont overshoot the program. No need to try to figure how long the break is.
Yep. We do this all the time, but we use the 30-sec skip forward button until the red kangaroo shows up. Love this feature.
Jim5506
I'm a bit confused about the recording methods.
Do you havePrime Time Anytime enabled, by doing that you don't have to set recordings for Prime time programs on ABC, CBS, NBC or Fox stations, it's done daily, 7 days a week.
And only 2 weeks recordings are saved, no deletions either.
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I'm a bit confused about the recording methods.
Do you havePrime Time Anytime enabled, by doing that you don't have to set recordings for Prime time programs on ABC, CBS, NBC or Fox stations, it's done daily, 7 days a week.
And only 2 weeks recordings are saved, no deletions either.
Correct. If you enable PTAT, you don't have to set other timers for those programs. You can choose all of the 4 networks or as few as you want. You also can choose all 7 days or other options. However the programs will auto delete after 8 days unless you save that episode or save the whole series.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

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One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

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Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard
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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
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Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors
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Jump Down, Spin Around - Harry Belafonte
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Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks