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Since the digital transition, I recently noticed a single channel dropping A/V on my Diamond ATSC receiver. The Toshiba TV combo analog/digital tuner has played it fine.
I was using an old VHF/UHF/FM antenna I bought off Craig's list a couple of years ago with a pre-amp. See pictures below.
I went out Monday and bought a Digi-Tenna DUV-XF antenna to replace the old one. See the link for specs and the pictures below.
I have been struggling all week trying to get all the channels viewable from my home to work on my setup. I now have the antenna about 25 feet off the ground. It is on a tri-pod and about 12 foot off my flat commercial roof.
Here is the "diagram" of how I have it wired.
90 ft. of new solid copper RG-6 swept tested to 3 Ghz from antenna to living room.
In the living room, I have and can use either a barrel connector or a new Winegard HDA-200 single output distribution amplifier to go 20 ft. from the living room to my den and hook into a new 4 way splitter.
The splitter goes to my Toshiba TV tuner, my Diamond ATSC tuner, to the living room tv, and to my HDHomerun tuner.
I was using a pre-amp at the antenna while using the old antenna, and have tried using the pre-amp with the new antenna and still have the same problem which is why I bought the distribution amplifier.
I tuned the antenna directionally for best signal with my HDHomerun tuner and laptop on the roof yesterday.
Here is the problem:
Without using an amplifier, coming straight from the antenna to the living room and using the barrel connector to get to my den, I can get all channels excepting that one channel is extremely weak. I am fearful that the first rain storm and it will drop out.
Using the pre-amp, or the distribution amp, I can raise the signal strength, but with the amplifier added, the weak channel 47 is hit and miss. It will display fine for a while and all of a sudden drop out.
I have gathered some data and thought some of you might be able to analyze it and tell me what to try next.
Take a look at the chart, and the pictures and let me know any suggestions you might have. I have not yet tried using the pre-amp and the distribution amp in combination, so that may be an option. The distribution amp does have a potentiometer, but I have not messed with that either. I don't know what I am doing with the POT, so have not messed with it. The distribution amp also has an FM trap, and I have tried switching it both ways and it seems to have no effect.
Here is the chart of data:
Here are the pics:
Any help would be appreciated.
I was using an old VHF/UHF/FM antenna I bought off Craig's list a couple of years ago with a pre-amp. See pictures below.
I went out Monday and bought a Digi-Tenna DUV-XF antenna to replace the old one. See the link for specs and the pictures below.
I have been struggling all week trying to get all the channels viewable from my home to work on my setup. I now have the antenna about 25 feet off the ground. It is on a tri-pod and about 12 foot off my flat commercial roof.
Here is the "diagram" of how I have it wired.
90 ft. of new solid copper RG-6 swept tested to 3 Ghz from antenna to living room.
In the living room, I have and can use either a barrel connector or a new Winegard HDA-200 single output distribution amplifier to go 20 ft. from the living room to my den and hook into a new 4 way splitter.
The splitter goes to my Toshiba TV tuner, my Diamond ATSC tuner, to the living room tv, and to my HDHomerun tuner.
I was using a pre-amp at the antenna while using the old antenna, and have tried using the pre-amp with the new antenna and still have the same problem which is why I bought the distribution amplifier.
I tuned the antenna directionally for best signal with my HDHomerun tuner and laptop on the roof yesterday.
Here is the problem:
Without using an amplifier, coming straight from the antenna to the living room and using the barrel connector to get to my den, I can get all channels excepting that one channel is extremely weak. I am fearful that the first rain storm and it will drop out.
Using the pre-amp, or the distribution amp, I can raise the signal strength, but with the amplifier added, the weak channel 47 is hit and miss. It will display fine for a while and all of a sudden drop out.
I have gathered some data and thought some of you might be able to analyze it and tell me what to try next.
Take a look at the chart, and the pictures and let me know any suggestions you might have. I have not yet tried using the pre-amp and the distribution amp in combination, so that may be an option. The distribution amp does have a potentiometer, but I have not messed with that either. I don't know what I am doing with the POT, so have not messed with it. The distribution amp also has an FM trap, and I have tried switching it both ways and it seems to have no effect.
Here is the chart of data:
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My OTA Signals
Channel W/O Amp W/Amp
TV Diamond TV Diamond
Sign SNR(DB) SQ Sign SNR(DB) SQ
14 Green 62 23 91 87 28 99
24 Rel 62 23 99 87 28 99
26 CW 89 28 99 90 28 99
31 ABC 97 30 99 97 30 99
35 NBC 90 28 99 92 28 99
39 PBS 87 28 99 97 31 99
43 CBS 97 31 99 97 31 99
47 MyTV 37 17 67 74 25 67-71 if it falls below 67, A/V drops out
Analog
7 HSN BW Snow Color Snow
16 DS BW Barely Picture Snowy
22 TBN Almost Clear Clear
33 TBN BW Barely Picture No Picture
51 DS Color Snowy Almost Clear
......Here are the pics:
Any help would be appreciated.
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The problem with channel 47 has been solved. 
I went to town this morning and picked up a .3, .6, and .10 db attenuator for my Diamond 9000HD ATSC tuners.
None of them fixed the problem any better than the 4 way splitter above. I was just about to go up to the roof and start re-adjusting the antenna because I know I had better signal with channel 47 on it 2 days ago.
The phone rang, and I had to make a run into a client to fix a computer problem. I was thinking to myself on the way down and asked myself a question.
Why am I working so hard trying to "dampen" the signal down for the Diamond? My answer to myself was that maybe I was amplifying the signal too high to begin with. The Digi-Tenna Xtreme Deep Fringe antenna is a marvelous antenna to begin with. Maybe the AP-8275 and the Distribution Amp I had before were both putting out too much signal.
I went back by Skywalker and picked up a Winegard AP-8700 and put it on the antenna when I got home.
The Signal Quality on the Diamond jumped to 99% on the Diamond on channel 47.
The Diamond ATSC tuner is much more sensitive than the tuner in my TV, and I picked up 4 new channels that I didn't know were there.
I picked up the 4 WSIU PBS channels listed on the TVFool image above, and according to the image, that tower is 99 miles away.
Needless to say, that opened up a whole other can of worms for me.
So Linuxman is a very happy camper today.
I will go back to the roof on Saturday when it is going to be cool and nice again so I can put a final tune and position on the antenna with this amplifier installed.
I think the lesson I have learned is to match the antenna with the amplifier needed, and not to over amplify.
Thanks for everyone's help!!!
It is much appreciated.
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I went to town this morning and picked up a .3, .6, and .10 db attenuator for my Diamond 9000HD ATSC tuners.
None of them fixed the problem any better than the 4 way splitter above. I was just about to go up to the roof and start re-adjusting the antenna because I know I had better signal with channel 47 on it 2 days ago.
The phone rang, and I had to make a run into a client to fix a computer problem. I was thinking to myself on the way down and asked myself a question.
Why am I working so hard trying to "dampen" the signal down for the Diamond? My answer to myself was that maybe I was amplifying the signal too high to begin with. The Digi-Tenna Xtreme Deep Fringe antenna is a marvelous antenna to begin with. Maybe the AP-8275 and the Distribution Amp I had before were both putting out too much signal.
I went back by Skywalker and picked up a Winegard AP-8700 and put it on the antenna when I got home.
The Signal Quality on the Diamond jumped to 99% on the Diamond on channel 47.
The Diamond ATSC tuner is much more sensitive than the tuner in my TV, and I picked up 4 new channels that I didn't know were there.
I picked up the 4 WSIU PBS channels listed on the TVFool image above, and according to the image, that tower is 99 miles away.
Needless to say, that opened up a whole other can of worms for me.
So Linuxman is a very happy camper today.
I will go back to the roof on Saturday when it is going to be cool and nice again so I can put a final tune and position on the antenna with this amplifier installed.
I think the lesson I have learned is to match the antenna with the amplifier needed, and not to over amplify.
Thanks for everyone's help!!!
It is much appreciated.
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Don't Winegard amp's do wonders I have 4 Winegards, 2 pre amps and 2 distribution amps and never had any problems. Is the 8700 you have high input or low noise high output? I have an 8700 and an 8200 from the 80's one is one type and one is the other.
I have 4 Winegards, 2 pre amps and 2 distribution amps and never had any problems. Is the 8700 you have high input or low noise high output? I have an 8700 and an 8200 from the 80's one is one type and one is the other.
Don't Winegard amp's do wonders
The 8700 I got this morning says Lo-Noise on the box, and yes, this one works wonders. You can read about it here.
The 8275 wasn't so wonderful. It caused more problems than what it was worth.
But I would think that each antenna, location, and circumstances would be different.
That's probably why they make half a dozen different models.
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This is a thread that will keep you apprised of 4K events that will be showing on Dish channel 540. Keep looking here for information.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
As of today, 9-27-17, there are no scheduled events posted for the next 2 weeks. That is subject to change on a daily basis.
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Patrick Stewart died yesterday, October 28th at the age of 86. We lost yet another great actor. 
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
So let the game continue!
The last song was added by Bobby who posted...
One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters
CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!
Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game
Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.
Example:
Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow
Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio
Another example:
Ride the Lightning -- Metallica
Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne
Get it?
An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I created this thread on the original Edgecutter Cutting Edge Forums site. It's simply a place for those to review the latest software available for those using Windows 10 and Windows 11. To date it has received 112,559 views. I have been asked by staff to continue this thread here.
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To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
For niche use cases, yes I agree. Kali for ethical hacking and security testing, and running a Cacti server for network monitoring are the two things I have experience in. Plus thousands and thousands of other things, but for every day use I just can't see it. The owner of the GMRS repeater that I pay to access is changing the Tx DPL tones tomorrow, while Chirp is available on Linux, the software to program my MXT500 is not.To each there own but I've found that Windows can't do much more than Linux can. Can't have everything.
I run Fedora and Ubuntu in VMWare, honestly I don't care much for the UI of either of them and I don't feel like spending days/weeks to customize the UI to make it look Windows-like when I could just use Windows. The cartoonish dock at the bottom of the screen reminds me of Apple products.
Actually it looks like there are a lot of features new or updated, although most are on a gradual rollout schedule.
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Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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Pearl TV Issues Progress Report on Low-Cost 3.0 Converters in Advance of NAB Show New York
Group has secured lower pricing from key tech players to make less costly boxes available
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It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.
There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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WHAT ABOUT THE INTERNET PART OF IT. NO ONE WANTS A BOX CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET EITHER.
It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.
There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?
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It states the average amount they are under water is OVER $7,000. 
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