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Is the VERSUS Network about to become a worthy competitor to ESPN? Would sports fans, leagues, cable and sat providers benefit from a merger of NBCU and Comcast? The most recent speculation surrounding the sale of NBCU revolves around comments by Vivendi CEO Jean-Bernard Levy, reiterating Vivendi's desire to divest themselves of their 20% stake in NBCU.

Those who are doubtful that this deal will happen frequently point to the negative reaction the rumoured deal has met with from the market. In 2004, Comcast failed to acquire a different media giant, Walt Disney Co. (which includes ESPN and ABC), a potential deal that engendered the same negative reaction.

Earlier the WSJ reported on the battle between TV networks and cable operators over carriage fees. Cable channels (including ESPN) have been outperforming "over the air" channels because of their "dual revenue stream" of advertising and carriage fees. As ad rates decline, CBS has successfully negotiated some deals for carriage fees and News Corp. (Fox) is seeking the same. In some markets, local TV stations are threatening to withhold their "over the air" signals from cable companies if a resolution is not found. If Comcast acquires NBCU, the WSJ reports that the stakes will rise in the "fees for carriage" dispute.

Assuming the deal is concluded (far from certain), how would the sports industry react to VERSUS attempt to compete with ESPN? Last year when ESPN acquired the rights to the BCS, in the process obliterating any competing bid, many wondered if it was proof that ESPN could and would own the rights to any and every sports property that they wished. Did the ESPN/BCS deal hammer home the message that the ad supported "over the air" model will never compete with the "dual revenue stream" cable for sports rights?

A much more robust VERSUS could provide sports properties a welcome alternative to ESPN. Currently, if a sports property is not a partner with ESPN, they get less "play" from the ESPN multi media giant. The NHL, formerly an ESPN partner and a current partner of both VERSUS and NBC, has complained that their exposure on ESPN's flagship "SportsCenter" has diminished significantly since their rights deal was not renewed.

Along with sports properties, the cable and sat providers might embrace a legitimate rival to ESPN. These industries have long been unhappy with the cost of sports programming. Disputes over "sports tiers" and carriage fees have been widespread. At $4.00 per subscriber, ESPN is easily the most expensive cable channel. By comparison, VERSUS currently charges $0.20 to $0.25 per sub.

In the larger scheme, VERSUS is likely a small consideration in the discussed NBCU/Comcast deal. Should it happen, the affects on sports fans, sports properties, MSOs and ESPN will be interesting to watch. Fairly or not, there is considerable enmity in the sports industry towards ESPN, who justifiably argue that they should not be criticized over their staggering success. If VERSUS doesn't answer the call to challenge the WWL, how long until somebody else rises to the challenge?
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anders5189
It's pretty hard to conceive anyone taking on ESPN. Their biggest rival is not Versus, but Turner Sports which has rights to NBA and MLB and their playoff games. Fortunately for ESPN Turner is not 24/7 sports and doesn't want to be. Versus is 24/7 sports just without the sports people want to watch. Their biggest property is the NHL, which is the worst major sports league, and besides some college football all Versus has is pretend sports like bass fishing and rodeos. Versus could probably do better than it currently is, but they will not really be a serious threat to ESPN. ESPN is like Microsoft now. They are so big and good at what they do that no one can take them on.
meStevo
Only way it could happen is if it was on every provider like ESPN and it was right next to it on the lineup, since it's not like the OTA NBC is going to suddenly become the world sports leader.

The first sentence in that 2nd bold section should read: A much more robust VERSUS could provide sports properties who aren't as popular so as less expensive to own rights/exclusivity such as the NHL a welcome alternative to ESPN.

Versus to me is as obscure as a FSN channel.

Like EA Sports, there's no competing with ESPN, just attempts to offer the best complimentary programming, rather than competing.
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It's pretty hard to conceive anyone taking on ESPN. Their biggest rival is not Versus, but Turner Sports which has rights to NBA and MLB and their playoff games. Fortunately for ESPN Turner is not 24/7 sports and doesn't want to be. Versus is 24/7 sports just without the sports people want to watch. Their biggest property is the NHL, which is the worst major sports league, and besides some college football all Versus has is pretend sports like bass fishing and rodeos. Versus could probably do better than it currently is, but they will not really be a serious threat to ESPN. ESPN is like Microsoft now. They are so big and good at what they do that no one can take them on.

Versus to me, is right now, a more sophisticated version of the old SportsChannel America. While they do have the NHL as their "crown jewel", they still don't have enough of a robost schedule (at least in comparision to ESPN). Also Versus like, SCA's biggest flaw was that they simply weren't available in many households. And right now, Versus is in their third month of being MIA from DirecTV.
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Comcast must make the right calls on sports in any NBC deal

Comcast must make the right calls on sports in any NBC deal

It's looking more likely that Comcast will be successful in its attempt to take control of NBC, judging by a series of meetings the two sides have had over the past few weeks.

Toward the end of October, the top executives from NBC and Comcast — including NBC's Jeff Zucker and Dick Ebersol and Comcast's Steve Burke and Jeff Shell — gathered for two days of secret meetings in New York, sources told me.

Each cable channel owned by the two entities, from SyFy to Golf Channel, gave a presentation to the assembled executives, highlighting budgets, programming rights and broadband strategies.

The executives didn't come to any sweeping conclusions. But the mere fact that these top executives spent two days on them illustrates how much both sides want the deal to be completed.

There are three things Comcast needs to do to ensure that the deal, which its executives internally refer to as "Project Crimson," is a success from a sports media standpoint.

Comcast needs to retain Ebersol.

It's a no-brainer that Comcast wants to keep Ebersol. But it might not be easy. Ebersol has a lot of autonomy overseeing NBC Sports right now. Comcast has to make sure that doesn't change for the longtime television executive.

Comcast needs Ebersol for all sorts of reasons, but in large part because of his Rolodex. Ebersol has deep relationships with the Olympics and the U.S. sports leagues, which is essential if Comcast is serious about growing Versus.

Ebersol also would improve the production quality of Comcast's sports networks. In April 2008, Comcast hired former NBC Sports producer Michael Weisman as a consultant to improve the on-screen look of its sports networks: Versus, Golf Channel, the Mtn. and its suite of Comcast SportsNets. Weisman is no longer with Comcast, but the need to improve program quality remains.

That's where Ebersol comes in. He can tell stories through captivating images. His game production, particularly with the Olympics, is second to none. If Ebersol stays on board to oversee sports content, it will give much more credibility to Comcast's sports networks.

Comcast needs to see which sports it can share with NBC.

The combination of a broadcast network paired with cable sports channels presents the best opportunity for Comcast to develop a credible alternative to ESPN.

The key to making that happen is to share sports programming between NBC and Versus/Golf Channel. While some NBC sports programming, like "Sunday Night Football," will stay exclusive to the network, other programming could be shared with Versus or Golf Channel.

The Olympics are an obvious choice, since NBC already spreads Olympic programming across its cable networks.

But Comcast also has its sights set on Notre Dame football. Sources said NBC's deal with the Fighting Irish has a clause that allows a certain number of games to migrate to cable. Versus would be a natural place to house those games.

Versus also could have the right to re-air NBC's Notre Dame games. And it could roll out pre- and postgame shows around them. In June 2008, NBC signed a five-year extension for Notre Dame's home football games, a deal that extends through the 2015 season.

Comcast should consolidate its RSNs with NBC O&Os.

NBC owns broadcast affiliates in four markets where Comcast operates regional sports networks: Chicago, Philadelphia, San Jose and Washington.

If the deal goes through, I expect Comcast to merge those stations in each of those markets, allowing them to share studio space and on-air talent. There are obvious cost savings; Comcast doesn't need two production studios in these markets. But Comcast's RSNs would benefit from having high-profile local sports talent appear on their channel.

Whether the Comcast/NBC deal will pass regulatory muster in Washington is a question for another column. Governmental agencies, like the Federal Communications Commission and the Federal Trade Commission, are certain to scrutinize the deal closely, a process that could take as long as a year.

But right now, I'm guessing that the two will finalize a deal within the next few months.
meStevo
...and when all is said and done, only really compete with Fox Sports for the distant 2nd place sports-related provider.

There is no alternate to ESPN, only compliments.
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
rvvaquero
I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
b4pjoe
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
Yes the Cowboys owner needs to fire the general manager (himself), co-owner, Chief Operating Officer (COO), Executive Vice President, Director of Player Personnel, and President of AT&T Stadium (his son) and then he should jump off of a cliff. Only then can they recover.
rvvaquero
Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson had an argument about who was responsible for the dynasty building of the early 90's Cowboys.

The rest of us figured it out in about 3 years, Jerry has had over 30 years but still can't admit it. It's all he lives for, to show everyone he can put together a winner. I don't think he can. His kids only know what he taught them.
dfergie
I was a devout Cowboy fan in the Landry era, grudgingly gave Jimmy his due, since then not so much, the Jones family took care of that...
b4pjoe
Nice knowing you Brian…

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meStevo
The situation w/ the Titans and Jordan Elliott is scary.


Makes me think of the Javon Belcher murder suicide.
Gary Toma
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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum
The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:
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National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)
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Additional tabs provide:​
OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders
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Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8​

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions
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WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.
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Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS
They're finally live in the app's API, doing a check

PISTONS is not available in Detroit (WMYD/20), it is available in the rest of Michigan including Marquette who also gets the games on their MyNet station WJMN/3, along with the Toledo DMA and the northern portions of the South Bend and Fort Wayne DMAs.

THUNDER is available in OKC and Tulsa, so I wonder if DTV is just going to keep the OTA feeds of KSBI/52 and KQCW/19 and direct viewers to 675 for the rest of the games.
On stream it's in Choice for Oklahoma (inlcuding the Oklahoma portions of the Amarillo, Sherman-Ada, Wichita Falls-Lawton and Joplin DMAs) and Western Arkansas and requires Sports Pack for Nebraska, Kansas and Western Missouri, I'm not sure if it's the same for satellite.
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HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps
It appears we are not getting both home & away feeds out of market on League Pass for these teams either…

I've been watching the Spurs home feed on channel 676-1 (was part time San Antonio specific feed) out of market with NBALP for YEARS on satellite (through the multiple iterations of Fox Sports SW, Bally Sports SW, FanDuel Sports SW) Looks like that will not happen unless a deal is reached with DAZN. I do see the placeholder channel on 680 if it happens.
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It appears we are not getting both home & away feeds out of market on League Pass for these teams either…
Center Ice does have the non-carried feeds, including the Hurricanes, Wild, Blues and Blue Jackets and spotbeam local only teams like the Panthers, Mammoth and Golden Knights. So it probably depends on the available part time bandwidth each night as things they are able to provide to in market viewers in the 600s, PPV Events in the 100s and commercial events in the 9000s get priority first, along with games where neither team has a remappable feed.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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dishdude
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
MikeD-C05
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
I had both the 921 and the 922. I used to buy them from DishDepot.com in Florida and trade in my older owned receiver towards the newest receiver. The 921 was a reboot receiver and the sling part was hit or miss. I look back on all those receivers I paid for over 25 years and I think it was just TV. If I had that money back now I would be lot richer. My Owned Hopper 3 is sitting in a drawer in my office not being used.
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That was part of the Ergen scheme, to sell the product as well as the service. And who didn't want the best box?

Maybe they went to the hopper because they were running out of 3-digit model #s- 1022 would have been kinda clunky. Folks would have tried to say "one-thousand and twenty two" instead of "ten-twenty-two".

Like some say "two thousand and twenty six".
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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KAB
922 was a train wreck. The end!
dishdude
922 was a train wreck. The end!

I know I regretted that purchase!
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Just finished S2. Watching Gary Oldman as deshvilved, dejected MI-6 agent, Jackson Lamb, is one of the best things streaming right now. Already 2 more seasons in the works. HIGHLY recommended. And yes, Mick Jagger sings the theme.
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A fine top notch TV show which is light years ahead!!😎👍
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A fine top notch TV show which is light years ahead!!😎👍
"Jackson Lamb for Prime Minister! "
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Mrs. Foxbat and I are enjoying another great season so far. We only had to turn on the captions a few times.
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KAB
Mrs. Foxbat and I are enjoying another great season so far. We only had to turn on the captions a few times.
I think this new season is a little too slow of a burn (as of ep #4, probably due to new show runner. However, I can't wait to find out what's up with Taverner!
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Well, the season finale went balls to the wall. Non stop action and several twisted twists. Gary Oldman at his best. Very well written and executed. Tavener owes Jackson big time. Only "if" was Jack Lowden's (River) cliffhanger, especially admin-st the buzz that he is the next James Bond in waiting.
K
Planning to start the new season tonight. :)
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On Tuesday, I recorded the first episodes of the new season's NCIS shows on CBS (Dish provided, not OTA). The new New York series and Origins will both do Auto Skip, but the original, now season 24 does not. What's stranger, when I do a search for NCIS, Origins and New York show the current recording and the next episode it will record, but the original show only shows the current recording and some other channel showing the very first episode of season one. It makes no sense. When I set up the timers, I was able to use search for Origins and New York, but for the original, I had to scroll ahead in the guide until last Tuesday when the show was airing. Then set the timer from there. You can see its timer type is DVR where the other two are Seek. What am I missing?
Thanks!
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Nebugeater
It is obviose some people do not know the diffornece between auto skip and FF
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Bobby
It is obviose some people do not know the diffornece between auto skip and FF
And there is a difference between fast forward and skip forwad....
tanman
With both CBS and Fox autohop (as we know) is not enabled for a week..But after 24 hours if you mash the FF button until the red kangaroo shows up in the bottom right you wont overshoot the program. No need to try to figure how long the break is.
Cold Irons
With both CBS and Fox autohop (as we know) is not enabled for a week..But after 24 hours if you mash the FF button until the red kangaroo shows up in the bottom right you wont overshoot the program. No need to try to figure how long the break is.
Yep. We do this all the time, but we use the 30-sec skip forward button until the red kangaroo shows up. Love this feature.
Jim5506
I'm a bit confused about the recording methods.
Do you havePrime Time Anytime enabled, by doing that you don't have to set recordings for Prime time programs on ABC, CBS, NBC or Fox stations, it's done daily, 7 days a week.
And only 2 weeks recordings are saved, no deletions either.
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dennispap
I'm a bit confused about the recording methods.
Do you havePrime Time Anytime enabled, by doing that you don't have to set recordings for Prime time programs on ABC, CBS, NBC or Fox stations, it's done daily, 7 days a week.
And only 2 weeks recordings are saved, no deletions either.
Correct. If you enable PTAT, you don't have to set other timers for those programs. You can choose all of the 4 networks or as few as you want. You also can choose all 7 days or other options. However the programs will auto delete after 8 days unless you save that episode or save the whole series.
Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard
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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
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Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors
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Jump Down, Spin Around - Harry Belafonte
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Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks
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Much better than the critics would want you to believe. Only problem, the last guy was pretty obvious a couple of episodes in.
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I have watched three episodes so far and I like it.
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As do I.
osu1991
Season 2 out now on Prime