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I have a dish 500 sat mounted and pointed from when I had service a while back. I want to resume my service, but without a contract, so I am looking at getting a VIP 612 DVR off Ebay. I want that receiver for a variety of reasons.
Will my sat be enough for that receiver? If not, what do I need to get in order to make it work? For the record, I DO NOT need access to HD Locals thru the sat. In fact, my service will have the local channels option deleted (DISH can't figure out how to put me in the right market for locals).
I've read a lot on here, but I don't really know the differences between a lot of the different LNB's I've seen referenced, etc....
Thanks in advance for your help!!
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I don't know why Dish does not know what your locals are...must have gotten a dense CSR. You're in western arc, so you would want a 1000.2 for a one dish solution.

Tyler, TX Dish Network Local Channels
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It does have a twin. It says DishPro on the back of it. Right now I don't have an HD TV, so that isn't as big a concern, but it's nice to have the option to add it later when we get a new TV. I come across D500 systems regularly, so adding another dish for the HD wouldn't be a problem. I had a dual tuner receiver with a separator before, so I only have one cable coming from the dish into the house, so I think I can put the separator on the 612 and be ok.
So if I want SD with the DVR for now, the setup I have should work with the 612 (or 622)? Then to get HD later I'll need another dish? What is the diff, if any, between 61.5 and 129W?


On a related note,
I'm not planning to cancel, really, just don't want any new commitments right now, especially not for 2 years.
I also do not want them sending installers to my house. Last time they put a mount on the side of my house, even tho I TOLD them trees would be in the way. That pole is still there. Then I asked them to be careful of my new carpet. One of the guys took his shoes off when he came in. The other one just tromped mud in, then sat on my mantle and cleaned the mud off his boots onto my carpet. Then they told me I would have to put up a pole 25feet above my roof or cut down trees in order to get service.
When I called E* to complain, they didn't care. I ended up having to have my carpet cleaned, and had a local guy come put up my dish, on the roof, WITHOUT a pole, and it worked fine. I said then I would never have another E* installer at my house.
Sorry for the rant, but that's the reasoning behind doing it myself without a commitment....
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I don't know why Dish does not know what your locals are...must have gotten a dense CSR. You're in western arc, so you would want a 1000.2 for a one dish solution.

I live in eastern Henderson county, about 10 miles west of Tyler. Dish insists on giving me Dallas locals. It is over 100 miles from my house to Dallas, but they tell me I am in the Dallas market, and I can't get Tyler locals. However, if I start service, then do an online change of address to a Tyler addy, my locals suddenly change to Tyler.....go figure......
Anyways, I have an HD off-air antenna for locals.....
whatchel1
Moving

I live in eastern Henderson county, about 10 miles west of Tyler. Dish insists on giving me Dallas locals. It is over 100 miles from my house to Dallas, but they tell me I am in the Dallas market, and I can't get Tyler locals. However, if I start service, then do an online change of address to a Tyler addy, my locals suddenly change to Tyler.....go figure......
Anyways, I have an HD off-air antenna for locals.....

That is know as "moving" it is done for your reason and others sometime.
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It does have a twin. It says DishPro on the back of it. Right now I don't have an HD TV, so that isn't as big a concern, but it's nice to have the option to add it later when we get a new TV. I come across D500 systems regularly, so adding another dish for the HD wouldn't be a problem. I had a dual tuner receiver with a separator before, so I only have one cable coming from the dish into the house, so I think I can put the separator on the 612 and be ok.
So if I want SD with the DVR for now, the setup I have should work with the 612 (or 622)? Then to get HD later I'll need another dish? What is the diff, if any, between 61.5 and 129W?

Good to go. 129W and 61.5W have identical national HD programming. They differ only in the locals and RSNs carried. 129W is part of the western service arc consisting of 110/119/129 while 61.5W is part of the eastern service arc consisting of 61.5/72.7/77. Both arcs carry the same national programming, although the eastern arc is mpeg4 only and VIP Series receivers are required. The western arc has both mpeg4 and mpeg2 encoding but will move to all mpeg4 encoding in the future. Some subscribers have service from satellites from both arcs because they were existing subs before the eastern arc was created and subsequently their HD locals were placed on an eastern arc satellite. New subscribers usually get just a single dish install for either the western (1000.2) or eastern (1000.4) arc.


On a related note,
I'm not planning to cancel, really, just don't want any new commitments right now, especially not for 2 years.
I also do not want them sending installers to my house. Last time they put a mount on the side of my house, even tho I TOLD them trees would be in the way. That pole is still there. Then I asked them to be careful of my new carpet. One of the guys took his shoes off when he came in. The other one just tromped mud in, then sat on my mantle and cleaned the mud off his boots onto my carpet. Then they told me I would have to put up a pole 25feet above my roof or cut down trees in order to get service.
When I called E* to complain, they didn't care. I ended up having to have my carpet cleaned, and had a local guy come put up my dish, on the roof, WITHOUT a pole, and it worked fine. I said then I would never have another E* installer at my house.
Sorry for the rant, but that's the reasoning behind doing it myself without a commitment....
Sounds like a really bad experience.
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Thanks for all the info LaddyBoy!!!
I was reading in another thread that I can lease equipment and get it all, plus install, for $99 activation with no contract....If that is the case I might go with that, so long as I can get installation from my local retailer, not the clowns that came from Dallas last time, and so long as they will leave my existing equipment alone, because I will use it for FTA if I don't need it for dish service. There are some good freebie channels out there, I've learned....
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It does have a twin. It says DishPro on the back of it. ... I had a dual tuner receiver with a separator before,
The Twin has to have the dpPLUS logo to use the Separator.

Henderson County is in the SE corner of the Dallas market, adjacent to the Tyler market. Dish is offering you the "right" locals. Thank our friends at Nielsen and the NAB.
dishcomm
I live in eastern Henderson county, about 10 miles west of Tyler. Dish insists on giving me Dallas locals. It is over 100 miles from my house to Dallas, but they tell me I am in the Dallas market, and I can't get Tyler locals. However, if I start service, then do an online change of address to a Tyler addy, my locals suddenly change to Tyler.....go figure......
Anyways, I have an HD off-air antenna for locals.....
Henderson County is in the Tyler designated market area.
You'll need a service address in one of the following counties...
Franklin, Camp, Upshur, Wood, Smith, Gregg, Rusk, Nagadoches, Cherokee, Houston, Trinity, Angeline, San Augustus or Sabine.

Yes to the person not familiar with these market areas and boundaries it appears stupid to have locals from such a distance when another city is much closer. But the lines have to be drawn somewhere.
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Didn't see a thread like this so I figured why not start one. This is about natural supplements. If you aren't into supplements, fine, but please let those of us who do want to discuss this discuss it.

The first one I wanted to mention has been a real life changer. I'm 62 and still do all of my own install work at my business....also do all the yard work at the house. A few years ago I started noticing that I was losing my range of movement, it was even getting hard to bend over and lace up my boots. Almost got stuck in an attic because I couldn't get turned around once the work was done. Didn't think much of it and figured with age comes stiffness that was only going to get worse as time went on.
It was then that I stumbled across a video which was discussing rotator cuff tears and why they were to prevalent these days. Turns out, the culprit is a simple deficiency in MANGANESE which is key in keeping your tendons flexible. Most anti-biotics strip your body of any manganese it might have had which is why certain anti-biotics, especially those in the Cipro family. I actually knew a man who had two tendons tear while on that stuff.
Went to Amazon and ordered some manganese. Now it took a while, it wasn't instant, but gradually I have regained all of my flexibility. I can bend over and touch my toes while standing with no pain and putting on my boots is no longer a chore.
Pretty cheap too. The bottle I ordered was a 200 ct for under $13. They said to take double the normal dose for the first month because most people are severely lacking, then go to one a day.
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Not sure if this would qualify as a supplement but here goes: When I meet someone who is in their 90s and doing very well healthwise I always ask what they attribute their longevity to. Out of all the people I questioned, there was only ONE thing that they ALL did. They all drank some apple cider vinegar daily....usually before bed. You can water it down all you want. Who knows why, but I do it. You want to buy the organic type with the mother.
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Didn't see a thread like this so I figured why not start one. This is about natural supplements. If you aren't into supplements, fine, but please let those of us who do want to discuss this discuss it.

The first one I wanted to mention has been a real life changer. I'm 62 and still do all of my own install work at my business....also do all the yard work at the house. A few years ago I started noticing that I was losing my range of movement, it was even getting hard to bend over and lace up my boots. Almost got stuck in an attic because I couldn't get turned around once the work was done. Didn't think much of it and figured with age comes stiffness that was only going to get worse as time went on.
It was then that I stumbled across a video which was discussing rotator cuff tears and why they were to prevalent these days. Turns out, the culprit is a simple deficiency in MANGANESE which is key in keeping your tendons flexible. Most anti-biotics strip your body of any manganese it might have had which is why certain anti-biotics, especially those in the Cipro family. I actually knew a man who had two tendons tear while on that stuff.
Went to Amazon and ordered some manganese. Now it took a while, it wasn't instant, but gradually I have regained all of my flexibility. I can bend over and touch my toes while standing with no pain and putting on my boots is no longer a chore.
Pretty cheap too. The bottle I ordered was a 200 ct for under $13. They said to take double the normal dose for the first month because most people are severely lacking, then go to one a day.
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I've always been super interested in things space related so this is a pretty cool event coming up. Nov 18, 2026 early in the morning, Voyager 1 will reach the distance of one full light day from Earth. Took almost 50 yrs. I was 13 when it launched.


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So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…
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So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…
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So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…
Thanks for that info. I will mark it on my calendar! 🤣
Jimbo
Will the Jupiter 2 make it in time ....
Stay tuned ...
dishstaller
So, 1/1596th the way to Alpha Centauri (if it were headed that way). 79,800 years to go…
Isn't that insane!!!
To reach the nearest galaxy to ours, at its present speed, will take another 44 billion years.
Jimbo
Isn't that insane!!!
To reach the nearest galaxy to ours, at its present speed, will take another 44 billion years.
Turn the Lights out when you get there.
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Can't help but wonder if a worker overlooked checking the harness. I rarely ride a roller coaster anymore but when I do I check the harness myself pretty aggressively.
Can't imagine what the son is going through.

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Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
Jimbo
Had no idea there were that many redundancies built into those restraints.
It makes sense, however, I would want more types of restraints, so if one doesn't work, the other does ... the restraints coming over the shoulder I would have expected ... with a Seat belt as last resort.

Fwiw, I inquired with what they use on Coasters at Cedar Point, various Coasters, different restraints according to what the car and track requires ...

NONE of the Coasters at CP use THAT particular system :)
I'm glad to see ...
dishstaller
with a Seat belt as last resort.
According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
Jimbo
According to the article, when you see a seat belt on a ride like this, it is basically used as a way of making sure the rider isn't too large/fat to safely ride the ride.
Well, the over the shoulder support is better, but would require reconfiguring the cars.
Jimbo
Heres an article from the Akron Beacon ... seeing Six Flags has bought Cedar Point and Kings Island, they are included ...
I said earlier that Cedar Point doesn't use this type of seat restraint ... well, it does use it, But the difference is, the ones up here ALSO have the Over the shoulder restraint as well ... like I was suggesting that they should have used with the Goliath.

One of the new(er) one at Cedar point the Gate Keeper, uses the Clam shell .. I have rode it many times and have Mostly felt secure, that ride will stop you part way on the ride and you just hang, till the ride is ready to continue ... I typically ride the Front Car ... when its getting ready, you ARE hanging, in the car, looking down .... it would require 2 separate restraint systems to unlock at the same time to possibly get out of it.

dishstaller
UPDATE: Six Flags is adding seatbelts to all 9 rollercoasters

Jimbo
UPDATE: Six Flags is adding seatbelts to all 9 rollercoasters

Finally ....
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Make Me Smile/Now More Than Ever - Chicago
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I'm surprised Walmart hasn't banned this guy from all of their stores. He has been on their CASE the past few months.


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Then they are stupid. Everyone knows that the price per ounce should be the price per ounce of actual product.
You are paying for the whole thing
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You are paying for the whole thing
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
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Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
But a box can weigh more than an ounce..maybe 2...a can might weigh 5 ounces..a bag...not much
dishstaller
.a bag...not much
Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.
Jimbo
Well, the bag can't weigh that much, right? But by law food product packaging must display the actual net weight of the product, i.e., the contents of the container, so by any logic, if not law, a store's stated per-ounce cost should reflect that figure. But since there's not any law regulating shelf statements, a store can say whatever it wants without violating any rules. So I guess the answer is more consumer legislation. Or simply caveat emptor.
I would think that the Vendor/Maker of the product would have a say in it, showing the Correct weight ...
You would think it would be in the contract.

I do look at the ounces of items, but unless its way off, I don't check the math, may have to start now.

Remember when you use to get a 13.5 oz bag of Chips .... Thats a PARTY Size now.
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I would think that the Vendor/Maker of the product would have a say in it, showing the Correct weight ...
You would think it would be in the contract.

I do look at the ounces of items, but unless its way off, I don't check the math, may have to start now.

Remember when you use to get a 13.5 oz bag of Chips .... Thats a PARTY Size now.
I remember when a pound of coffee was 16oz. Now its 12oz, they don't call it a pound anymore and its three times the cost of the 16oz pound.
Jimbo
I remember when a pound of coffee was 16oz. Now its 12oz, they don't call it a pound anymore and its three times the cost of the 16oz pound.
Well, they don't call it a pound anymore ....

Ice cream is that way too, use to be a half gallon, now its 1.5 quart or some say 48 oz
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Well, according to the price per ounce on that first bag of coffee he mentions, that would mean the bag weighed over 6 ounces. That bag does NOT weigh 6 ounces. According to Google, an empty bag weighs half an ounce.
You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight
NYDutch
You need to weigh the actual bag...a deli bag weighs less than that but a thick coffee bag is gonna weigh around an ounce...an empty tin can has some weight
Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only. Only the shipping weight should include the packaging.
harshness
Products sold by the ounce, pound, etc, should always be priced for the product only.
Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner. ;)

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).
Jimbo
Unless the specific product or its packaging is known at the time of weighing, estimating the tare weight for a PoS system is a tall order.

I'm pretty sure that produce bags can't get any thinner. ;)

You certainly don't want to put unbagged produce on a belt, scale, or in a clerk's hands (gloved or not).
I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only
meStevo
The larger discrepancies are likely from a data or sync issue. Digital tags don't cause the error, but they can spread one bad entry across a whole store or region instantly. The small cent differences are probably just rounding in the weight, the price data, or both.
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Well, they don't call it a pound anymore ....

Ice cream is that way too, use to be a half gallon, now its 1.5 quart or some say 48 oz
Is it real Ice-cream?
Jimbo
Is it real Ice-cream?
Is it Real Ice cream ???
Depends on what your talking about.
(((Garyd)))
Is it Real Ice cream ???
Depends on what your talking about.
Most don't have any milk in them
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I would think that all the packaging would already be accounted for ... they weigh the container, subtract that from the scale, then add the product , so its weighing the Product only
I believe that per federal law the "net weight" of the given commodity, without regard to its packaging or the particular weight of that, must be clearly stated by the producer on the packaging. As in "Net wt. 2 lbs., 7 oz." So now the stores themselves commonly state a $ "per oz." or "per count" figure at the shelf whereas they never used to, supposedly to help people to comparison shop and/or to demonstrate that they are offering good prices. I would make the first assumption that they are simply taking the product label net weight and translating from that, as that would seem both the most logical as well as the easiest. If they're otherwise plopping the product onto a scale to arrive at a stated unit cost, then obviously that adds time & effort.

The ultimate question would be, if they are doing that, what really would it gain them? They'd get to show a very slightly lower unit price, but then presumably the competition between brands would still be even. I don't see how it can really much matter, but on principle there should be rules in this regard.
Juan
I believe that per federal law the "net weight" of the given commodity, without regard to its packaging or the particular weight of that, must be clearly stated by the producer on the packaging. As in "Net wt. 2 lbs., 7 oz." So now the stores themselves commonly state a $ "per oz." or "per count" figure at the shelf whereas they never used to, supposedly to help people to comparison shop and/or to demonstrate that they are offering good prices. I would make the first assumption that they are simply taking the product label net weight and translating from that, as that would seem both the most logical as well as the easiest. If they're otherwise plopping the product onto a scale to arrive at a stated unit cost, then obviously that adds time & effort.

The ultimate question would be, if they are doing that, what really would it gain them? They'd get to show a very slightly lower unit price, but then presumably the competition between brands would still be even. I don't see how it can really much matter, but on principle there should be rules in this regard.
It's probably just a programming error in the price labeling computer
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I buy my coffee beans from a local small batch roaster. The scale they use has a large stainless steel bowl on top. They scoop the beans from large mylar bags containing the roast of your choice. After weighing the coffee the beans are poured into a bag or ground, your choice. I have a grinder and prefer grinding right before I brew.
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Most don't have any milk in them
Ice cream must meet the follow standards:

Contain at least 10% milkfat (from real dairy/cream).
Weigh at least 4.5 pounds per gallon.
Contain at least 1.6 pounds of total solids per gallon and at least 20% total milk solids.
Contain no more than 100% overrun (the amount of air whipped into the mixture).

Products that don't meet those standards must still contain some milkfat and milk solids to be labeled a "frozen dairy treat".
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The larger discrepancies are likely from a data or sync issue. Digital tags don't cause the error, but they can spread one bad entry across a whole store or region instantly. The small cent differences are probably just rounding in the weight, the price data, or both.
It's simple math. You take the price and divide by the number of ounces and come up with the price per ounce. I find it hard to believe that Walmart's computers can't carry out simple division.
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It's simple math. You take the price and divide by the number of ounces and come up with the price per ounce. I find it hard to believe that Walmart's computers can't carry out simple division.
The division isn't the problem, the inputs are. On the Starbucks pods, $9.22 @ $3.35/oz works out to 2.75 oz, but the box is 1.94 oz. So either the system has the wrong weight on file, or the unit price is left over from an older price of about $6.50 that never got updated. Garbage in, garbage out. Walmart's had unit-pricing data problems before, too - in 2024 they paid $1.64M to settle with New Jersey after inspectors found 2,000+ instances of unit prices using the wrong unit of measure.
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IS Amiko MIRA 3 any good ???
Can you recommend the best to cover all bases. NO BEEPS on certain channels 101w (NEWSMAX ,NEWS NATION), a clock that keeps working STEADY for timed recording ,solid unit with good lifespan. My Amiko died AND my Linkbox has NO Favorites Button and BEEPS on many channels. Picking up 105 west with a NEW SHED IN THE Way with 6 foot Cband ..95 percent quality ...unbelievable.
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IS Amiko MIRA 3 any good ???
Can you recommend the best to cover all bases. NO BEEPS on certain channels 101w (NEWSMAX ,NEWS NATION), a clock that keeps working STEADY for timed recording ,solid unit with good lifespan. My Amiko died AND my Linkbox has NO Favorites Button and BEEPS on many channels. Picking up 105 west with a NEW SHED IN THE Way with 6 foot Cband ..95 percent quality ...unbelievable.
Have you tried a new power brick on your Amiko? It's slim pickings out there anymore. The FTA market in the US has pretty much been abandoned.

This would likely be your best bet, and Rick is a good seller. I've never had any issues with him:

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Have you tried a new power brick on your Amiko? It's slim pickings out there anymore. The FTA market in the US has pretty much been abandoned.

This would likely be your best bet, and Rick is a good seller. I've never had any issues with him:

Thanks
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The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.


:eek


It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.
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harshness
The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.
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If it weren't for the sky-high electricity prices...

Of course, the real scare with Winter coming is the insane cost of heating oil.
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GM said its next-generation vehicle architecture will provide 40 times more computing power and 30 percent less wiring than before and will expand from the 2028 Cadillac Escalade IQ to its high-volume SUVs, trucks, crossovers, and fourth-generation EVs, which will be powered by lithium manganese-rich (LMR) prismatic batteries

Despite the politicization and perceived consumer pivot away from EVs in America, GM needs to remain globally competitive, so it's doubling down on its fourth generation EVs, with energy-dense, cheaper-to-manufacture LMR batteries, more efficient motors, and state-of-the-art centralized computing architecture. With a stated goal of cutting the traditional four- to five-year concept-to-production time in half, GM is clearly challenging the concept of "China speed," which in the Chinese automotive industry can be as quick as 18 months from design to start of production. In the AI space, GM is smartly collapsing all of its marque-specific apps under the familiar OnStar brand, while providing more features—both on the phone and in the car—than it ever has before.