Social Feed

DirectDishNet

Last reply Nov 24, 2009 · posted in Free To Air (FTA) Discussion

Help me understand the LNB angle.

If you look at a dish 500 or a dish 1000 you will notice that the LNB's are angled slightly upwards pointing to the focal point of the reflector/dish. So with that said, Does the LNB have to be at that certain height just to have that particular angle? Is this angle a must?
The reason I ask is because I would like to have multiple lnb's on one dish and by using a straight bar, pipe clamps & threaded rods. I could position 3 or 4 linear lnb's on one dish but I do not have any LNB holders to accommodate these lnb's. So I guess my question is, Could I have the LNB's straight/level and just raise the height of the LNB's to focus on the focal point?

4 Replies · 2077 views

Load Replies (4) Reply Legacy View

Lak7

Nov 23, 2009

check this page out.....
http://www.global-cm.net/

B.J.

Nov 24, 2009

DirectDishNet said:
If you look at a dish 500 or a dish 1000 you will notice that the LNB's are angled slightly upwards pointing to the focal point of the reflector/dish. So with that said, Does the LNB have to be at that certain height just to have that particular angle? Is this angle a must?
...

I'll leave the art of putting more than one lnbf on a dish to others, but I just wanted to comment on the above, ie you say the LNBf is angled upward pointing to the focal point. On a dish with one lnbf, the lnbf won't "point" at the focal point, it will BE at the focal point. I assume that what you mean by pointing to the focal point is pointed toward the center of the dish? (If not, I'm not sure what you're referring to.) But the reason for pointing to the center of the dish is simple, ie just to get the maximum quantity of signal since feedhorns generally get maximum signat from the direction they are pointed. A lot of people are adamant that a prime focus feedhorn should always be pointed at the center of the paraboloid, and some even use laser devices to get this perfect, but as long as the lnbf is at the focal point, the angle of the feed really isn't really that important unless part of the dish is blocked or MISSING (or unless the angle is so great that you're picking up lots of ground noise from around the edges of the dish). I once had the bottom half of my BUD blocked by some big pine trees, and I found that I could improve reception dramatically by tilting my feed up by some 15 or 20 deg, ie aiming at the top half of the dish that was receiving signal above the pine trees. This is very much analogous to the performance of an offset dish. Ie an offset dish is really a prime focus dish where the bottom half of the dish is gone. If you aim the lnbf at the center of the paraboloid, you'd be aiming it off the lower edge of the dish, and you'd be receiving ground noise, and missing considerable signal coming from the dish. That's why the lnbfs are tilted up, just so that they're aiming generally at the dish so that it sees only what's reflected from the dish, and as little as possible of the noise coming from around the dish.

Now, re putting more than one lnbf on the dish, since there is only one focal point of a dish, this is pretty much just a matter of trying to find the best compromise position for the secondary lnbfs. I think it's more of an art than a science. Some people seem to have good results, but I was never much good at it myself.

DirectDishNet

Nov 24, 2009

Thank you B.J. You explained it very well, I have a better understanding of the purpose of the angle of the LNB now.

Yesterday I tried to place a second LNB on a 30" dish. I first hooked up a lnb to my birdog, hand held the lnb and pointed at the dish using the same angle as the original fixed lnb. I found the sat I was looking (97W) for but could not get more than 20% signal quality. I moved the lnb by hand up,down,left,right,backward & forward for over 30 minutes. Stiil, Max was only 20%. I guess I need a guy in a white lab coat to come over and show me how to do this.

Keith Brannen

Nov 24, 2009

First off, what satellite is the dish aimed at currently? Six degrees off-centre (depending on the satellite, some can be more) is usually optimal for multiple LNBs.

Secondly, a straight bar will work, but you could lose some signal, as you are then putting the LNB slightly outside the focal point. The focal point follows the curvature of the dish (same distance from the dish). As well, you may have to angle the LNB slightly (left or right) towards the dish.

Those are just general rules, sometimes you will find the optimal placing of the LNB is more towards the dish, or angled slightly different than you would expect.

Searching on "multiple LNBs" will bring up some good threads on the subject.

Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply 5 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

68672 Replies · 2680882 views

Load Replies (68672) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: c-spand

gms49ers

Today at 11:44 AM

Hear Me Calling - Ten Years After

Reactions: long_time_Dish and dishstaller

sdfntx

Today at 12:28 PM

I Can Hear You Calling - Three Dog Night

Reactions: long_time_Dish and dishstaller

gms49ers

Today at 1:34 PM

Can't You Hear Me Knocking - The Rolling Stones

long_time_Dish

15 minutes ago

I Can Hear Music - The Beach Boys

dishstaller

5 minutes ago

Boom Boom ( Out Go The Lights ) - Pat Travers

View all replies (68672)

dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply 9 minutes ago · posted in What's Cooking?

What's For Lunch?

We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so...

Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...

5450 Replies · 336181 views

Load Replies (5450) Reply Legacy View

dfergie

Oct 19, 2026

Chili dog bowl, water… (homemade chili)

Reactions: TRG, Bobby and Mr Tony

TRG

Monday at 2:53 PM

Leftover wanton soup and pork fried rice. Water.

dfergie

Yesterday at 1:26 PM

Sweet tea…

Reactions: Bobby and TRG

TRG

Yesterday at 1:50 PM

Tuna salad sandwich on toasted honey whole wheat bread with a handful of kettle chips. Water.

Reactions: Bobby

TRG

9 minutes ago

Breakfast for lunch. Crispy corned beef hash, home fries, two over easy eggs and sourdough bread.

Reactions: Bobby

View all replies (5450)

dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply 12 minutes ago · posted in The Sports Section

Auto Racing 2026

New thread or keep this one?

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/AgOI9DNCmPg?si=l-YcZmHl7GXXF8fX

160 Replies · 3625 views

Load Replies (160) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: Foxbat and meStevo

dfergie

Sep 26, 2026

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/FN7KEVee0IY?is=G-gCAp4CudLNgaYP

Foxbat

Sep 26, 2026

Weird F1 weekend is already over with a Saturday race.

dfergie

Oct 9, 2026

Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…

Reactions: Yespage

Yespage

Oct 16, 2026

Today is the anniversary of Dan Wheldon's passing at Las Vegas in a dreadful crash that luckily didn't take more drivers' lives. I vaguely remember the crash, but I more strongly remember Paul Tracy trying to keep it together as he left the Medical Center knowing that Dan most likely wasn't going to.

The safety in these vehicles is beyond incomprehensible, especially relative to what it was 60 years ago, when dying wasn't unexpected. But it is still very dangerous. I always scoff at the prayer invocations, but never scoff at the risks these drivers take and the emergency workers out there who might need to pull short of a miracle to save a driver's life.

dfergie said:
Tried to watch the truck race but the stage c**p is why I don't watch NASCAR anymore…

HBO Max has the live in car streaming without commercials, which provides an interesting take, but you are driving blind, knowing only what the team is telling the driver about what is happening on the track. The stages definitely ruin the NASCAR set up.

Reactions: dfergie

Yespage

12 minutes ago

NASCAR is an abject mess, but at least it has Kyle Larson. Guy had the lead on the green/white checker, fell back to 12th or the like, kept his cool, and charged back to win with room to spare at the line. And win very cleanly!

NASCAR needs to stop racing at Talladega. Especially if they are going for elderly Sunday drives at the track! Stage racing is real stupid, but NASCAR should consider one half point a second per group gap as a bonus.

View all replies (160)

osu1991

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply 15 minutes ago · posted in The Chit Chat Club

USA Healthcare Costs are Ridiculous

Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

My health Insurance renewal for 2027 just came in. Going from $827 a month to $1,187 a month. Deductible going up a $1k to $9,350. Max out of pocket also going up $1k to $11,000. Doctor co-pay of $40. Urgent Care co-pay $50. ER 50% coinsurance after deductible. That's all in network. Out of network is double, should it be needed.

Have to think about this. I'm really tempted to just go without now. I only go to the doctor once or twice a year. I pay out of pocket for Tirzepitide and can do without the Rosuvastatin (crestor) now. Really tired of spending over $10k a year and getting nothing out of it.

After years with Blue Cross I switched last year to Ambetter as my Blue Cross premium was going from $1200 to $1800 for a Silver plan and the Bronze plan was still going to be $1300 at BCBS. Ambetter was $827 for the same coverage with a Bronze plan. Didn't think it would jump this much so soon.

I'm guessing a Silver plan is probably over $2,000 a month for 2027.

6 Replies · 51 views

Load Replies (6) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: AZ.

vazhog

56 minutes ago

no worries soon you will no longer need to pay for health care as it will be Medicaid for all -and you will be able to save all those monthly payments.

AZ.

40 minutes ago

vazhog said:
no worries soon you will no longer need to pay for health care as it will be Medicaid for all -and you will be able to save all those monthly payments.

That will be hard as Medicaid is being cut by 1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years?

b4pjoe

32 minutes ago

osu1991 said:
Pissed off at the crappy healthcare costs

Are you employed with no work insurance or that is what you are paying for your workplace insurance? Or is that through Healthcare.gov? Retired? Eligible for medicare?

vazhog

16 minutes ago

that cut is only for illegals to get off the rolls and I was being sarcastic before -

telstar_1

15 minutes ago

The 2030s will likely bring renewed health reform

View all replies (6)

TWiT Tech Podcast Network

19 minutes ago · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Cyberattacks Are Coming—Is Your Company Ready? #shorts

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4JfcPctpQmk

Direct YouTube Link - Cyberattacks Are Coming—Is Your Company Ready? #shorts
TWIT's Website
TWIT Live Feed

0 Replies · 2 views

Replies Reply Legacy View

Tom Speer

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

47 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

Looking for former DIRECTV Cutting Edge testers who have now subscribed to DIRECTV Stream.

If you are a former Cuttinge Edge member who has converted to Stream, please contact me.

0 Replies · 10 views

Replies Reply Legacy View

Reactions: KyL416

mheisen

Last reply 48 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Hopper 3 with Hopper plus internet connection problems

Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

7 Replies · 284 views

Load Replies (7) Reply Legacy View

Almighty1

Yesterday at 2:50 PM

mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?

Reactions: charlesrshell

mheisen

Yesterday at 6:11 PM

Almighty1 said:
I have a DISH Hopper 3 (Software H713) with Hopper Plus (Software P15403). I have not tried streaming services but I primarily watch TVB Jadeworld international package which is only available by streaming and when I have an issue, I usually have to go to a non-streaming satellite channel first before the streaming channels will work again. What software versions do you have and what is the error message if any are showing on your screen? or is that Dish downloading logo just stuck and never finishes?

I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.

Reactions: charlesrshell

Almighty1

Yesterday at 6:33 PM

mheisen said:
I'm on H713 on the Hopper and P15403 on the Hopper Plus. It shows internet connection issues and doesn't finish loading the various services. I see the "loading circle going around. Sometimes I get a message saying that the service is having trouble loading my content and to check the internet connection.

Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.

Reactions: charlesrshell

slow_poke_pete

Today at 3:38 AM

Almighty1 said:
Did it ever work correctly before? Hard to say what the problem is. Usually for streaming, it will show the Dish logo with lines sweeping down to show downloading, never seen the circle issue. Did you try a manual reboot, red button reset, power cord unplug/replug to see if it makes a difference.

Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713

Reactions: charlesrshell

slow_poke_pete

Today at 3:43 AM

mheisen said:
Over the past few weeks, I have had problems connecting to streaming services (Netflix, HBO et al). When I go to the TV's native Channels, I have no problem. The Dish internet troubleshooter shows I have a good internet connection. I'm wondering whether it's an issue with my internet provider or a problem with the Dish software on the Hopper Plus. Anyone else seeing this?

Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!

Reactions: MikeD-C05, navychop and charlesrshell

Almighty1

51 minutes ago

slow_poke_pete said:
Might be worth just to ditch the hopper plus. No issues here on h713

I have a Hopper Plus and no issues either. charlesrshell has both a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and one without, he doesn't have the same issue. Before blaming it on the Hopper Plus, he should see if the problem still exists without the Hopper Plus connected as it could be the Internet connection itself or some setting in the router itself. There is someone in another thread who has EHD issues on the Hopper 3 only setup but does not have the EHD issues on the Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus and he has already tried swapping the EHD and it did not make a difference so like the saying, YMMV.

https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/th...cognize-ehd-is-connected-after-reboot.423971/

Reactions: charlesrshell

Almighty1

48 minutes ago

slow_poke_pete said:
Buy a roku and dump the hopper plus you'll be better off. If you have a smart tv you don't need either one. No hopper plus here and no issues!!!

The Roku costs $$$, Hopper Plus is free. That may not be the only costs as it depends if the TV in question still has available HDMI ports and if not, it will require a HDMI switch and HDMI cable which adds more to the cost.

I have a LG 3D OLED Smart TV and I still need either of them because it does not have Android TV built in. Add a Hopper Plus and see if you actually have issues or not as until you actually tried it, it means nothing.

Reactions: charlesrshell

dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 3:10 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

$6.3 billion in crypto stolen by hackers

This should hit a lot of folks with a dose of reality. I can only imagine how much more common this will get as AI progresses.

I read several stories on this and most are clear as mud. They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole. I guess time will tell if either of these statements are actually true.

Hackers steal $6.3 billion from Binance in biggest-ever cryptocurrency theft

The company later added it began recovering assets impacted by the breach after pledging to cover losses using its Secure Asset Fund for Users.

www.cnbc.com

5 Replies · 59 views

Load Replies (5) Reply Legacy View

harshness

Today at 10:29 AM

dishstaller said:
They say a lot of the stolen bitcoin has been "locked out" and that everyone will be made financially whole.

The "Secure Asset Fund" had about $1 billion in reserves... in Bitcoin.

The fund started in 2018, so it may take a while to make investors whole, much less replenish the fund.

Reactions: dishstaller

dishstaller

Today at 11:53 AM

harshness said:
The "Secure Asset Fund" had about $1 billion in reserves... in Bitcoin.

The fund started in 2018, so it may take a while to make investors whole, much less replenish the fund.

That's kinda what I was seeing but all the news reports are suggesting that all investors will be made whole immediately.
The other thing they weren't clear about was the BTC that was "locked out" of the system. I guess that means that the stolen BTC is basically worthless now because I don't see how it could be replaced....but there is a LOT about the crypto world that leaves me scratching my head.

Reactions: navychop

harshness

Today at 1:56 PM

This is what scares me about cryptocurrency: there doesn't seem to be any oversight.

It seems more like politics than investing.

Reactions: AZ. and dishstaller

meStevo

Today at 2:39 PM

A few clarifications... the ~$3B "locked" was mostly stablecoins (USDT/USDC). Tether and Circle can blacklist their own tokens, which makes those worthless to the thief. Bitcoin and ETH have no issuer, so they can't be frozen. That's the ~$2.4–3.3B the hackers still have, so the stolen BTC is very much not worthless to them. It was also spread across 10 blockchains, not just bitcoin. On getting made whole: SAFU is ~15,000 BTC (~$1.2B), and Binance says it'll cover the rest from company funds. Analysts don't see it as a solvency problem, and withdrawals are expected back within days.

The attack was pinned on North Korea's TraderTraitor group via a compromised engineer laptop. Like many hacks and compromises, that's old-school social engineering, not AI.

harshness said:
This is what scares me about cryptocurrency: there doesn't seem to be any oversight.

It seems more like politics than investing.

That's the tradeoff stablecoins make - a central issuer that can freeze funds, which is why half the loot got stopped. Bitcoin and ETH have no one in charge, so nobody can reverse a theft, but nobody can freeze your coins either. Stablecoins trade price volatility for trusting a central issuer.

dishstaller

Today at 3:10 PM

meStevo said:
That's the tradeoff stablecoins make - a central issuer that can freeze funds, which is why half the loot got stopped. Bitcoin and ETH have no one in charge, so nobody can reverse a theft, but nobody can freeze your coins either. Stablecoins trade price volatility for trusting a central issuer.

Thanks....that fills in some of the missing pieces.
Why some of the money could be locked and the rest not was a gigantic hole is every story I read. I thought "well if they can lock up stolen BTC, then why couldn't they do the same thing to BTC that is used for ransom or some other illegal activity?". NOW I understand.
I miss the days when you could read a news story and now walk away with more questions than answers.

TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Today at 3:02 PM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

The Future of XBOX?

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0bCOMsIK3EU

Direct YouTube Link - The Future of XBOX?
TWIT's Website
TWIT Live Feed

0 Replies · 7 views

Replies Reply Legacy View

Ramy

Supporting Founder

Last reply Today at 3:01 PM · posted in The Sports Section

2026-27 NCAA College Football

Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.

175 Replies · 2798 views

Load Replies (175) Reply Legacy View

Reactions: Mike0616

Yespage

Monday at 3:04 PM

You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

Jimbo

Monday at 9:19 PM

Yespage said:
You mean other than Miami being in the final last year... and Indiana being the only bye team to win a game?

No, I was actually referring to outside of the Top 8, but should have been Top 12 ...

I guess I should have looked at the bracket from last year first ...

I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

Ronnie-

Tuesday at 7:24 AM

Jimbo said:
I'm more thinking about them trying to expect a 15 to beat a 5 seed or there abouts .

I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.

Reactions: Foxbat, osu1991 and AZ.

Jimbo

Tuesday at 8:20 AM

Ronnie- said:
I mean you get upsets all the time.

Just a couple of weeks ago. Unranked Florida knocked off number 7 texas. Unranked Auburn beat number 1 Georgia.

This week unranked Cincinnati beat number 8 texas Tech. Unranked UCF beat number 2 BYU.

No reason to think similar upsets wont happen in the playoffs where a low seed can upset a higher one.

Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time ....however .
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

They are trying to make this Basketball and its a far cry from the way that is played.

How long till they go to 32 teams ? Then they will say, well, the NFL is 32 teams, we can make more money that way .... except the NFL is 32 teams, that are a set number of teams and divisions, you don't have that in College ... oh but they will try.

They would have to choose what teams they would want in and thats it.
Hopefully that NEVER happens.

I can see the NCAA going away and the CFP taking that portion over and a Collective Bargaining agreement coming in the not to distant future.

Reactions: meStevo

rvvaquero

Tuesday at 8:45 AM

The problem with rankings and playoffs is that they are designed to hype the game and make money. Period.

The only reason that BYU and Texas Tech were upsets is that they were hyped up in the standings in the first place. I love watching BYU and Bear Bachmeier. They are a fun and talented team, but not nearly so strong, fast, big, and skilled as a true top ten team. Does anyone truly believe they could compete with the likes of Georgia, Ohio State, Indiana, Alabama, etc.? Yet, they were ranked above those teams.

Each year, there are 10 to 12 teams who truly could compete for the championship if it depended on winning more than one game in a playoff. Including teams like James Madison, Tulane, BYU, etc. in a playoff has nothing to do with determining a national champion. It's just about money.

Reactions: Yespage and AZ.

Ronnie-

Wednesday at 7:26 PM

Jimbo said:
Correct, you Do get upsets from time to time

Yes. As shown in a few posts now.

Jimbo said:
You Don't get teams UPSETTING teams for 5 weeks in a row.

.

But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.

I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.

With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.

Reactions: meStevo and osu1991

Jimbo

Wednesday at 11:10 PM

Ronnie- said:
Yes. As shown in a few posts now.

But that wasn't what your stated argument was though.

I mean if you drag it out, no team even a favorite is gonna win every game 20 weeks in a row.

With the parity in college football now, who knows who can beat anyone at any given time?

This season and last have shown it might not be the ones we think that might win it all that will win it all.

No, no ... if you want to make the playoffs, you want to Win it ... If you want to Win it, you need to Win 4-5 games in a row against Top 10 teams for the most part, theres a Possibility you'd play someone out side of the Top 10, but not much.

The Playoffs is a 4-5 game Win or Go Home.

osu1991

Today at 3:01 PM

View: https://youtu.be/uRgnlk9Sj8M?is=z_Y_NZD5B4bCEwod

View all replies (175)

Top

Back