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I am looking at installing a Slimline 5 at my house, and about the best location I can find would be to mount it on the surface of the A frame roof (atop the shingles). My question is, what is the best technique to mount it and be sure that it won't create any leak point(s) where I install it? I figure I will have the roof mount and the two support stabilizing arms to actually penetrate the roof.

Also, should I use like carriage bolts and go into the attic the put bolts on the inside, or is wood screws sufficient?
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cfb
cfb
I think the principal problem is that silicone wont adhere well to asphalt, and asphalt expands and contracts while silicone really doesnt. So over time, you'll have a gap between the silicone and the shingle. Still might not leak much, but its not optimal. For sealing a hole through the roof, silicone to the wood sheeting provides good adherence and there isnt much difference in their expansion/contraction rates. Roofing cement will liquefy a bit during the summer and seal any cracking from movement while silicone will remain rigid and is subject to cracking.

If this all happens on a part of the roof that see's quite a bit of runoff, you might have a problem. But then again it takes quite a while for enough water to build up in the attic deck insulation for it to seep to and through to the sheetrock, so it might take a while and a good long rain to notice.

Now I might have to again break out the story of my friend who used to get drunk, take off his pants, put them over his head and run through traffic. Never got hit by a car. But that didnt make it a good idea.

I guess if he did get hit, it wouldnt be his fault. Or the drivers fault. It'd be the asphalt.
J
I use tar patches or pitch patches, to sealed the lags. Yeap, use this or roof cement is optimal.
raoul5788
I think the principal problem is that silicone wont adhere well to asphalt, and asphalt expands and contracts while silicone really doesnt. So over time, you'll have a gap between the silicone and the shingle. Still might not leak much, but its not optimal. For sealing a hole through the roof, silicone to the wood sheeting provides good adherence and there isnt much difference in their expansion/contraction rates. Roofing cement will liquefy a bit during the summer and seal any cracking from movement while silicone will remain rigid and is subject to cracking.

If this all happens on a part of the roof that see's quite a bit of runoff, you might have a problem. But then again it takes quite a while for enough water to build up in the attic deck insulation for it to seep to and through to the sheetrock, so it might take a while and a good long rain to notice.

Now I might have to again break out the story of my friend who used to get drunk, take off his pants, put them over his head and run through traffic. Never got hit by a car. But that didnt make it a good idea.

I guess if he did get hit, it wouldnt be his fault. Or the drivers fault. It'd be the asphalt.

Pure silicon might not work well, but I was thinking of latex/silicone caulks.
cfb
cfb
Pure silicon might not work well, but I was thinking of latex/silicone caulks.

I wouldnt ever use a traditional latex or latex/silicone caulk on a roof. In a perfect world, I'd use a tripolymer or synthetic rubber based product. "Through The Roof" or "White Lightning" are pretty good options.

I think the principle use for outdoor silicone is sealing up around windows and door frames.

Correctamundo. And neither doors nor windows are on top of your house.

It's made to expand and contract as it get's warmer and colder outside.
But only to the degree that a door or window and its adjacent siding expand and contract, which is substantially less than what a roof shingle does. Depending on where you live, a roof is subjected to temperature ranges from 0 degrees to 150 degrees over the course of a year.

I've never had any problems with silicone on the shingles cracking and causing gaps.
None that you've noticed or observed long enough.

There's nothing wrong with using silicone on a roof.
And yet you have two people here with contractor connections suggesting otherwise.

It's not like running out into traffic with your pants on your head.
Well you see, I think you missed the point. I also dont think you'd be much fun to party with.
sddtvtech
I use tar patches or pitch patches, to sealed the lags. Yeap, use this or roof cement is optimal.


what you are saying is Bishop tape...


it is MANDATORY that every installer in Directv to use Bishop tape on roof mount. NOT silicone. we only use silcone to fill lag bolt holes if we are REMOVING the dish from the WALL. if it is on the roof and we're moving it, the base will stay but the mast will be removed.



every roof install gets bishop tape in my installs.

only time i will use a Sealant is at the top of the base so the water isnt gonna go under the mast in high wind rain down pour and will direct the water around or over the base of the mast so no water contacts the lag bolts and the bishop take will remain sealing the holes.

also to keep in mind, always mount your dish at the eave instead of the peak of your house... its stupid UNLESS you got Line of sight issues.
ranmic
I use standard Duck Tape to hold the dish in the desired spot. Usually no more that a two rolls are needed.

For sealant I use the Bazooka Joe brand chewing gum. Chew it 5 or 6 times and then plug the hole with it. It works great. Plus when you are done, you have a cool comic strip to read.

but, that's just my method, you may prefer Hubba Bubba or something.
J
what you are saying is Bishop tape...


it is MANDATORY that every installer in Directv to use Bishop tape on roof mount. NOT silicone. we only use silcone to fill lag bolt holes if we are REMOVING the dish from the WALL. if it is on the roof and we're moving it, the base will stay but the mast will be removed.
Tar patch, Bishop tape, and pitch patch are the same, just different company call it differently.

It is mandatory for DirecTV and Dish network's techs to use bishop tape. Bishop tape works very well in creating a sealed on the roof and sticks to the asphalt shingles very will and holds up to roof temps. While silicone don't do as well in high heat. It is a fail for a DirecTV and Dish network techs to use SILICONE on a roof.
yorktown
Correctamundo. And neither doors nor windows are on top of your house.

Well you see, I think you missed the point. I also dont think you'd be much fun to party with.

Great comeback FONZIE.
You must have come up with that one sitting at Arnolds with Ralph Malph, Potsie, and Richie Cunningham.

Well you see, I don't think there was a point to miss.
I also don't think you'd be much fun to party with.
cfb
cfb
but, that's just my method, you may prefer Hubba Bubba or something.

:haha

I figured someone would chime in and say something like this.

Actual knowledge is pretty annoying when it conflicts with the anecdotal version, huh? :p

Here's the thing...theres a right way to do this, some mostly right ways, and a lot of really wrong ways. Seems like some folks who know roofing (my brother has done it for 20 years) gave a lot of info on what considered the right way and some real installers gave some ideas on whats worked for them and is probably mostly right.

Some people would learn from the experience and go from there.

Come on...put yer pants on yer head...roads thataway! I swear, its good every time! ;)
talos4
Since being kicked up to the office to sell re-roofing and service I've found that among the many different types of customers I find two types that fit here.

1. Customers who want you to tell them what they need. "You're the expert you tell me, I make/fix widgets not roofs". The OP (and me).

2. Customers who tell you what they want, Doesn't matter if it's not what they need. They read it somewhere or someone else told them what they wanted hear and that's good enough.

While number 2 is a challenge, I've found that #2 generally doesn't want to be sold what you're selling because he knows better.

I'll walk away from #2 unless there's a willingness to at least listen, consider and possibly learn something they didn't know.

I'm walking away from portions of this conversation. Stonewalls are not very good listeners.
J
Tar patch, Bishop tape, and pitch patch are the same, just different company call it differently.

It is mandatory for DirecTV and Dish network's techs to use bishop tape. Bishop tape works very well in creating a sealed on the roof and sticks to the asphalt shingles very will and holds up to roof temps. While silicone don't do as well in high heat. It is a fail for a DirecTV and Dish network techs to use SILICONE on a roof.

This is a good policy...as long as the bolts hit a rafter.

I think silicone got into the mix because you do need it for sealing holes in vinyl siding. The two sealants are not really interchangeable. They are about the same price. The tech just has to have both aboard...Bishop tape last longer while asphalt caulk will dry in the tube once it has been opened.

Joe
ewindowman
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Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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nelson61
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Scott Greczkowski
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Bruce
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
Scott Greczkowski
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Bruce
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
rvvaquero
If Musk did acquire DISH, he would just convert it to use his own satellites to deliver it. Might be easier than creating a new startup. Change my dish out to one which connects to Starlink? Who knows?
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I was bewildered with all the new DISH TV "Bonus View" channels, so I put together a web page table with all the info I could find. It's at:

https://anythingpeaceful.org/dishtv/DISH_TV_Bonus_View_Channels.html

Here's a partial screenshot of the table, as sorted by Channel Name. (You can click on a column header to sort.)

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If you have any corrections or suggestions, please post here.
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One Bonus View channel added today. And one correction (on my part):

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One Removed:

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

BTW, not a Bonus View item, but there was a temporary channel 304 Spooktacular added, I imagine just for the Halloween season.

Thanks again to Pat for the many tips.
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Three new Bonus View channels today:

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My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

As always, thanks to Pat for the tips.
T
Four Bonus View channels removed today:

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Why all the changes?
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Why all the changes?
I guess the Bonus View world is very dynamic.

And here's two more changes for you:
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zippyfrog
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Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!

A couple of pieces of info:
  • Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
  • Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
    • 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
    • 1 transponder is dedicated to adult content
    • 2 are a mixture HD PPV Movies/4k channels
    • 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
    • 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
    • 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.
There are two transponders that have lower than normal SD channels – 110, TP 21 and 119, TP 19. Previously those transponders contained the programming guides that get downloaded from the satellite when the receivers download EPG. I assume that is where the programming guides are still downloaded from, thus less channels there.

When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.

Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:
  • During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
  • Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
  • Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
  • There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
    • At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
    • At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.
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zippyfrog
Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now. TP 02, 04, 06, 08, 10 were all functioning as Spotbeams as of last week, but now they are ConUS.

This means all 21 transponders that Dish has access to at 119 are now ConUS.
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Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now.
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?
zippyfrog
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?
Nope - TP 1-13 are still ConUS on 110. Which is crazy...there are so many different spotbeams on the new 110 satellite compared to the older 110 or 119. Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now? If so, it looks like TP 1-13 are coming from the old satellite at 110 and 14 onward are spotbeams on the new satellite.
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Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now?
Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?
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Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?

Here was a comment by nelson61 last year:
EchoStar 23 (Conus beam) will still be at 110W so there can be some Conus beam coverage from 110W depending on how many transponders they use for the spots.
In the same thread, he gave all the kml files for the spotbeams to put on Google Earth, and it looks like there are a lot more spotbeams per transponder available than the old satellite. My gut is that there is just a more technilogically advanced satellite, and can handle more channels.

I would love an analysis of how many channels could be fit on all the spots!
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Continuing the Kilauea thread in the Pub here. Perhaps the Iceland one too next time there's remarkable activity.

Currently there is precursory lava flowing into the crater, leading to the next episode that'll probably start within the next day.

You can see the pace of inflation / deflation here. It serves as the primary predictor for when the expect the eruptions, which coincide w/ inflation turning into significant deflation and last for several hours on average with significant fountaining.



View: https://youtu.be/Uecu2seh4b4


Wife and I like the AfarTV feeds, for the discussion along w/ them, though they're otherwise just mirrors of the official USGS feeds.


View: https://youtu.be/iws3rh5vLAQ
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Oooo, quite the show now. All three vents have doming and overflows. The cone that built up around the North vent lost its upper quarter at 02:50 Oct 17 and is now spewing lava at a healthy rate. Don't know if I would say it's a fountain, but it's close.


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edit: The USGS has called the official start of Episode 55 as starting at 03:19 HST Oct 17, 2026:

Alert Level: WATCH, Color Code: ORANGE 2026-10-17 13:43:56 UTC
HVO/USGS Volcanic Activity Notice

Volcano: Kilauea (VNUM #332010)

Current Volcano Alert Level: WATCH
Current Aviation Color Code: ORANGE

Issued: Saturday, October 17, 2026, 3:43 AM HST
Source: Hawaiian Volcano Observatory
Notice Number: 2026/H488
Location: N 19 deg 25 min W 155 deg 17 min
Elevation: 4091 ft (1247 m)
Area: Hawaii

Summary: Episode 55 of the ongoing Halemaʻumaʻu eruption began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Volcanic Activity:
Episode 55 of lava fountaining in Halemaʻumaʻu began at the summit of Kīlauea began at 3:19 AM HST on October 17, 2026.

Fountain heights are relatively low at about 100-150 feet (30-45 m), and it is not clear whether this episode will evolve to the same heights as previous episodes. Continuous overflows from the vents began yesterday, October 16, just before 6 a.m. HST and transitioned into episode 55 fountains at 3:19 a.m. HST this morning. The current forecast is for winds are blowing from the north-northeast direction, which suggests that volcanic gas emissions and volcanic material may be distributed to the south-southwest direction from Halemaʻumaʻu.
  • All eruptive vents and lava flows are confined to Halemaʻumaʻu crater within Hawaiʻi Volcanoes National Park. Tephra fall from volcanic ash clouds is greatest within 3 miles (5 km) of the vents, lighter ash and Pele's Hair may stay suspended for large distances from the vents.
Foxbat
Kīlauea seems to be returning to the "normal" eruption script, impressive fountaining from the North Vent. For once, the V2 Cam has the best overall shot:
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The lava flows have covered a good portion of the Halemaʻumaʻu crater floor.
Foxbat
Looks like Episode 55 is over at 09:00 HST, just under six hours. The USGS said the fountains reached 720' or 220 meters.
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The USGS Kīlaeua Webcam #1 has been showing overflows and doming from the North vent overnight. Maybe the volcanic plumbing has settled back into its two-three week cycle of fountaining?

But I do miss the little cinder cone that broke up in the last episode.
Foxbat
Sorry, I should have posted these earlier:

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We're still waiting on the start of Episode 56.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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The Saints Are Coming - U2
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Coming Back to Life - Pink Floyd
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Echos - Pink Floyd
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Echoes in the Rain - Enya
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Fool in the Rain - Led Zeppelin
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Now first, I'll mention that the area of FL I live in has extremely high humidity and not a lot of wind so things don't dry out very well for extended periods of time.
I'm in the process of tearing down and rebuilding a pergola with a surrounding deck that I built 9 yrs ago. 90% of the deck screws are just sheering off at the head because the screws rusted out. These are the deck screws you buy in the 25 lb box at your lumber yard. Very annoying. So I just ordered some 316L stainless steel screws to use for when I go to rebuild it.
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AZ.
Now first, I'll mention that the area of FL I live in has extremely high humidity and not a lot of wind so things don't dry out very well for extended periods of time.
I'm in the process of tearing down and rebuilding a pergola with a surrounding deck that I built 9 yrs ago. 90% of the deck screws are just sheering off at the head because the screws rusted out. These are the deck screws you buy in the 25 lb box at your lumber yard. Very annoying. So I just ordered some 316L stainless steel screws to use for when I go to rebuild it.
Screws are all crap, soft and useless! Sick of going through 3 to get one not to break, strip or shear! I aint that strong in my old age!
T
Well, isn't removal of screws intrinsically much tougher than drive-in, simply because over time they become more adhered to the wood, whether or not they actively rust? Possibly there could be less of that effect with stainless.
dishstaller
Well, isn't removal of screws intrinsically much tougher than drive-in, simply because over time they become more adhered to the wood, whether or not they actively rust?
I have seen that happen that not in this case. I had also used some screws from an old box I had that I needed to use up....didn't think much of it at the time. ALL of THOSE screws came out perfectly and had virtually no rust on them. The ones that you find at your lumber yard....those with the orange snap on lids were mostly rust. The problem with the heads sheering off was that I had to get my crowbar and pry each board up one joist at the time. Took a simple job and made it 1000% harder.

As for adhering to the wood...true story. Back when hurricane Michael hit, it almost took the weather vane off of the old milk barn behind my parent's house. I climbed up on the roof and only one nail was still holding it. Grabbed my hammer and tried to pull it out...wasn't budging. Grabbed a short crowbar (all I had access to) wouldn't budge. Ended up cutting the stupid nail so I could get the weather vane. Barn was built in the late 40s, I guess the nail had become one with the pine lumber used to build the barn.
osu1991
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Yep....looking forward to it.
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Bruce
AMC+ is on sale for $40 for the year, the no commercials plan.

For basically $3.34 a month, thought I would give it a try again.

Today is the last day for the deal.
R
AMC+ is on sale for $40 for the year, the no commercials plan.

For basically $3.34 a month, thought I would give it a try again.

Today is the last day for the deal.
Thanks for spending my $$. I figured I would try it also.
navychop
Hmmmm.
Jimbo
We should be coming into the Streaming Deals time of year :)

I will be looking for Yearly deals, not the 7 day trial or a 1 month deal like we had the last year or so.
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I just managed to get 30% on Paramount Plus Commercial Free Yearly ... total was $99.
I haven't gotten the 50% off deal in a few years, so when she said $99, I thought that was a pretty good deal, that includes Showtime, which I rarely watch, but its there .
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