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IIRC way back when, there was a combination dual C dual Ku prime focus lnbf available. Is anyone still making something like that? The related question, of course, is...does anyone have a bullseye feedhorn lying around that they want to part with. I have lots of lnb's, but I really hate to pop $400 for a new Chaparral Bullseye.

Unfortunately, it's a real PITA to run more than one receiver on either a C/Ku lnbf or a corotor. I'm just about ready to ditch my analog receiver and run the positioner with a GBox. The problem is dealing with band and polarity selection. None of the FTA receivers will run a corotor servo for polarity, so an lnbf or a bullseye is a better way to go. A 4 or 5 in multiswitch will easily handle the situation on a bullseye or a dual C dual Ku lnbf, but the readily available single C single Ku lnbfs just won't work in that situation.

Any helpful suggestions more than welcome. I guess the other question concerns the availability of a 14/18 to servo interface box. Easy enough to build, I guess. Any commercially available?

Thanks

Budfoot
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Scott Greczkowski
I would love one of these, I have been looking at WSI's new dual output LNB and would love to see a combined feed with C/KU. :D
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budfoot - I did some quick tests and a proper Ku-band scalar was just as important as a C-band scalar when either was used on a BUD. I haven't done the math, but I suspect combo C/Ku feeds suffer because of this and related field and pattern control issues. My concept is to cut a hole in a C-band scalar ring to accommodate a prime-focus Ku-band feed I have lying around.

Scott - I'm motivated to make this work, but no one seems able to sell me a heavy-duty 2.4m petal dish with a polar mount, and nothing adequate is coming up around here in the salvage department.
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I would love one of these, I have been looking at WSI's new dual output LNB and would love to see a combined feed with C/KU. :D

the dual output cband lnbfs ive tested are no where near as good as the combo c/ku lnbfs ive tested. im no where near as thorough as pendragon, if he wants ill send him gear to test for me with his methods. i do like his methods. but i am a "tester" and what id like to think of as a rigorous real world tester. when i do spring for an SA i will test all my gear fairly (with mentoring and guidance from someone alot smarter than me like pendragon). i do suffer of canadianitis and have to pay premiums for all the gear i buy, but i do try and own all of the new stuff. most of it sits on top of my fridge with the best residing in my working dishes. i really think though that without developing a proper feed servo controller for our digital stbs that the lnb versus lnbf debate will never have a fair comparison. so many projects, so little time. haha.

crackt out,.
John Popper
budfoot - I did some quick tests and a proper Ku-band scalar was just as important as a C-band scalar when either was used on a BUD. I haven't done the math, but I suspect combo C/Ku feeds suffer because of this and related field and pattern control issues. My concept is to cut a hole in a C-band scalar ring to accommodate a prime-focus Ku-band feed I have lying around.

Scott - I'm motivated to make this work, but no one seems able to sell me a heavy-duty 2.4m petal dish with a polar mount, and nothing adequate is coming up around here in the salvage department.

im doing some testing for something similar, will share the results by the end of the week
Anole
food for thought:

While you do seem to be going in a different direction, let me answer the original questions.

- dual output C-band only LNBFs are available from SatelliteAV (GeoSatPro C2), Sadoun (GeoSatPro C2), and Galaxy (DMX242).
They're quite inexpensive, and easy to experiment with.

- there are still some Pansat receiver models which will drive a corotor servo.
I believe the 2700 ? and the 3500sd will do that.
Both are standard def only, and while not obsolete, are certainly not what most of us want for the future.

- the 12/18 volt servo interface box was described quite well on this forum some time ago.
Building one wouldn't be too difficult.
However, it would not output both H & V polarity at the same time, should that be required, and would continue to rely on older servo technology.

- a suitable Ku feedhorn might be a challenge.
I would probably think first of the AF-120 from Invacom, and marry it to any of their flange-mount, dual output LNBf's.
The QPF-031 comes to mind, if somewhat expensive.

If there is a way to convert a less expensive two-output Ku LNBF to the AF-120, I haven't thought of it.
Oh, wait, the old Primestar LNBs with H & V output might work. :rolleyes:
Well, that's an area for some thought.


Bandstacked Approach:

This is not for everyone, but I do bring it up just to offer it for consideration.

The Ku LNB could be a bandstacked Eagle Aspen or DishNetwork FSS device.
It mounts directly to the AF-120 feedhorn above.

The C-band LNBF could be an Eagle Aspen B1 Sat stacked device.
It comes with a suitable scalar ring.

Previously discussed on the forum, a DishNetwork DP-34 multiple-output diseqc switch suports three LNBs and outputs to four receivers.
SatelliteAV
In our exhaustive testing for the development of the GEOSATpro line of C-Band LNBFs we have observed that the dedicated C-Band LNBF consistently outperformed the C/KU models. While C/KU LNBFs fill a need for the current limits of receivers, no LNBF ( C or CK) has matched the performance of a quality feedhorn, high quality LNBs and adjustable skew.

I believe that until a mechanism is developed to fine tune LNBF skew, LNBFs will not match the performance demands for motorized systems.
budfoot
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My concept is to cut a hole in a C-band scalar ring to accommodate a prime-focus Ku-band feed I have lying around.

That approach sounds like what the ADL people did with their C/Ku/DSS feedhorn. A good dual C lnbf in a good scalar ring combined with a dual Ku prime focus would totally do the trick. Presumably the C band could reasonably suffer a small bit of off-center misalignment to accommodate getting the Ku nuts on.

I'm already off to build a 14/18 to servo converter just to tide me over. That and a GBox will at least get me out of my analog receiver slave mode and let the Azbox run the show.


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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Can we expect to see a new coach if we say "pretty please?"
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Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner
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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
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Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I Saw The Light - Todd Rundgren
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.
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Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Here's the one I need:
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Here's the one I need:
Just ordered one....that's great.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
long_time_Dish
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
navychop
it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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HipKat
I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
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Well if it is because of reliability that wouldnt shock me.I went through 5 or 6 of them in little over 2 years. I loved the Sling when it worked! Saved lots of money having it in the day. That was probably 15 or 16 years ago?
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I think they were more of a transitional receiver bridging the VIPs to the Hopper. They were a PITA to install and were buggy. Personally, I thought at the time that they were the best receiver out there. The versatility of the VIP's with the new Hopper GUI and, by far, the coolest-looking front plate and lighting.
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
Nominal
I don't recall that they came out just before hopper, but rather that they came out even before 722. Or could be thinking of 921.

As to the title pf the post, "rare" does not necessarily mean valuable or desirable.
You are thinking of the 921. The 922 was the first DVR with Sling functionality built in (that was eventually disabled along with the Sling Adapter for the 722s and the 1st Hopper because they relied on now-defunct Adobe Flash technology). With the bugginess described by others and the removal of its marquee feature (Sling) the 922 faded into obscurity once the Hopper 2 with built in Sling was released and they finally made the concept into a fully functional product.
dishdude
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.
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We have a Breakfast and Dinner thread so... :)
Continuing from the Breakfast thread, found Cornbread mix so ...
Yellow Cornbread Mix
2 Hatch Green Chiles -diced
1 Egg
2/3 cup of milk
add to greased pan
Bake for 400f 20-25 minutes(From instructions)
now to put together and try... this to go with pinto beans...
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