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Michael Norman

Last reply Dec 8, 2004 · posted in Old YAHOOGROUPS - VOOM! Archives

[VOOM] 24" Dish Question...

I keep reading about the issues using 18" dish versus the 24" dish. And then the issue of trying to get it upgraded.

I have an install on Saturday and want to know if Installs now automatically uses the larger dish or will I need to go through the hassles of requesting an upgrade? I'd obviously prefer not going through the pain as I do live in a rainy and cloudy state - Washington!

What has been everyone's experience for recent installs?

Mike

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Sean Butler

Dec 7, 2004

> I have an install on Saturday and want to know if Installs
> now automatically uses the larger dish or will I need to go
> through the hassles of requesting an upgrade?

I was installed just one week ago and have standard 18" dish. Works great
for me so far, but we haven't had any major rain yet.

/Sean

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seattlesatelliter

Dec 7, 2004

[VOOM] Re: 24" Dish Question...

Hi Mike,
Yes, request a 24" dish upfront. If you are in the "to upgrade Zip" then it may be
automatic. I'm guessing that all of us living west of the Cascades live in these Zips.
However, definitely check with Install, Inc. and/or your installer. Make sure to call the day
before to confirm your install (the email you receive from Installs, Inc. appears to be
generated by a computer and has little relation to reality.) and make sure your installer
has all your equipment although, hopefully, this is a problem of the past. Oh yes, as
others have posted on here and satelliteguy.us make sure you are up and running with
VOOM and OTA before you sign off on the dotted line. Ask for a copy of the install receipt
as well.

We live in White Center and have had VOOM for a year less 5 days and love it. As noted in
my post above we have had some rain fade. Typical light Seattle rain isn't a problem but
every time a fall/winter storm comes through we lose signal for a short time to several
hours. Suspect when I get home from work tonight that we won't have a signal as a big
storm with heavy rain is already sitting over us. Really depends on what is happening
between us and the top of the Cascades as the sat antenna is just about aimed at Mt
Rainier.

And remember when all else fails post on here or on VOOM Installation on satguys. You'll
be amazed at the knowledge base on these forums. And most of the posters are great
people as well.

Hoping to be watching HDTV (hey, there's always the OTAs!) when I get home, Gill

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Michael Norman <mwnorman@y...> wrote:
>
> I keep reading about the issues using 18" dish versus the 24" dish. And then the issue
of trying to get it upgraded.
>
> I have an install on Saturday and want to know if Installs now automatically uses the
larger dish or will I need to go through the hassles of requesting an upgrade? I'd
obviously prefer not going through the pain as I do live in a rainy and cloudy state -
Washington!
>
> What has been everyone's experience for recent installs?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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seattlesatelliter

Dec 7, 2004

[VOOM] Geez, Robert, you are usually such a calm, cool guy although when...

it comes to VOOM you have been known to be a "little" passionate!

I believe Voomster is the same guy who posted over on satguys about getting a 24"
antenna upgrade in S.F. area. We on the West coast see the sat at a very (very) low angle
and have to have the sat properly aimed. Wind shaking a poorly installed (loose nuts--
besides us--were found on ours) antenna and/or cable connections that collect water and
short out the signal (happened to us as well) can be a bigger problem out here. Most of
the time we get VOOM sat just fine even in cloudy/rainy Seattle (make sure to tell everyone
you meet that it is dark and gloomy in Seattle all the time--we already have to may
"newcomers") but in these storms lookout.

Still hopeful of wataching HDTV via VOOM tonight under stormy Seattle skies, Gill

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Heitner" <ddprobert@y...> wrote:
> My friends have cable and it's gone out atleast 4 times in the past 6
> months.
>
> Installs inc is only used for some people. My installer was not installs inc
> and I had a flawless install that took < 2 hours start to finish
>
> Again, I repeat what I said in my prior post, I have an 18" dish and do NOT
> live in a dry desert. I live an hour+ south of downtown Houston where it
> rains VERY OFTEN and other than when it comes down in cats&dogs (ie
> extremely heavy), I very rarely lose my satellite feed. Your statement that
> you have to live in a dry desert to be able to use an 18" dish is .. well
> full of holes.
> Just because it doesn't work for you, where you live, doesn't mean it
> doesn't work for thousands upon thousands of other people.
> Don't be an ass, just accept the fact it doesn't work FOR YOU and stop
> trying to say it doesn't work for everyone else.
>
> Why bother with Voom installing a 24" dish? Go buy your own 24" or 36" dish
> off the internet for < $100 and be done with your whining.
>
> Again, your statement that Voom's reliability is crap is Y O U R experience.
> Thousands upon thousands of Voom's customers are very happy with Voom's
> reliability. Get over yourself!
>
> If you want to give constructive ideas and thoughts about Voom's service, it
> is welcome. Flame throwing, lying and talking about things you know nothing
> about do no-one any good here.
>
> Robert.
>
> _____
>
> From: Voomster [mailto:satguys2004@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 4:28 PM
> To: VOOM@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [VOOM] New Guy considering VOOM
>
>
>
> Comcast Cable works 100 % of the time, offers much less HD stations
> costs more and their service is close to 98% perfect.
>
> Vooms service is about 10% , Installs Inc is rated among the worst
> and they ar very protective of that rating.
>
> Voom's 18" dish works well in dry desert areas with little to no
> rain
> Voom's 24" if your lucky enough to get it installed works a little
> better
>
> My new 24" inch dish took 3 or 4 service called to get it installed and
> it still useless in the moderate rain conditoins.
>
> Vooms realiablity is much less than comcast ever was at it's worst
> Vooms technical help , while freindly is not near technically sound as
> comast cable.
>
> If you want the most HD stations that when everything works , it works
> very well and you don't mind being a paying bata tester for a few years
> till Voom perfects is problems , your a perfect Voom coustomer.
>
> As much I find fault with most of the time, I 'm still keeeping it
> till HD and all of it's related interfaces gets perfected in about 3
> to 5 years
>
> Voomster
>
>
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Michael Norman

Dec 7, 2004

Re: [VOOM] Re: 24" Dish Question...

Thanks for the information.

I do hope we are included in the automatic upgrade
area as I really don't want the hassles later.

And thanks for the heads up on what do and check for
come this weekend.

Four days till install...

And as for the weather...can't wait for that expected
wind storm. If the power goes...I don't go to
work...I'm on a well. No power=no water or shower!

Excuses excuses excuses! Always looking for one to
get out of work!
Mike

--- seattlesatelliter <seattlesatelliter@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>
> Hi Mike,
> Yes, request a 24" dish upfront. If you are in the
> "to upgrade Zip" then it may be
> automatic. I'm guessing that all of us living west
> of the Cascades live in these Zips.
> However, definitely check with Install, Inc. and/or
> your installer. Make sure to call the day
> before to confirm your install (the email you
> receive from Installs, Inc. appears to be
> generated by a computer and has little relation to
> reality.) and make sure your installer
> has all your equipment although, hopefully, this is
> a problem of the past. Oh yes, as
> others have posted on here and satelliteguy.us make
> sure you are up and running with
> VOOM and OTA before you sign off on the dotted line.
> Ask for a copy of the install receipt
> as well.
>
> We live in White Center and have had VOOM for a year
> less 5 days and love it. As noted in
> my post above we have had some rain fade. Typical
> light Seattle rain isn't a problem but
> every time a fall/winter storm comes through we lose
> signal for a short time to several
> hours. Suspect when I get home from work tonight
> that we won't have a signal as a big
> storm with heavy rain is already sitting over us.
> Really depends on what is happening
> between us and the top of the Cascades as the sat
> antenna is just about aimed at Mt
> Rainier.
>
> And remember when all else fails post on here or on
> VOOM Installation on satguys. You'll
> be amazed at the knowledge base on these forums.
> And most of the posters are great
> people as well.
>
> Hoping to be watching HDTV (hey, there's always the
> OTAs!) when I get home, Gill
>
>
> --- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Michael Norman
> <mwnorman@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I keep reading about the issues using 18" dish
> versus the 24" dish. And then the issue
> of trying to get it upgraded.
> >
> > I have an install on Saturday and want to know if
> Installs now automatically uses the
> larger dish or will I need to go through the hassles
> of requesting an upgrade? I'd
> obviously prefer not going through the pain as I do
> live in a rainy and cloudy state -
> Washington!
> >
> > What has been everyone's experience for recent
> installs?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
> >
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VoomHDer

Dec 8, 2004

[VOOM] Re: 24" Dish Question... answered

My 18" dish gave me a signal of 84% to 86% in dry weather
My 24" dish gave me a signal of 97% to 99% in dry weather

My 24" dish works a little better in light rain and cloudy weather

If you have rain fade issues ,, post your problems on this support
group and especially the cable guys web site and someone from voom's
executive office scans these sites and may come to your aid and then
Pray Installs Inc is not nothing to do with your upgrade install and
you may have your problem fix, as for me I want the eliptical dish
Voom will have out soon ==> Voomster

--- In VOOM@yahoogroups.com, Michael Norman <mwnorman@y...> wrote:
>
> I keep reading about the issues using 18" dish versus the 24"
dish. And then the issue of trying to get it upgraded.
>
> I have an install on Saturday and want to know if Installs now
automatically uses the larger dish or will I need to go through the
hassles of requesting an upgrade? I'd obviously prefer not going
through the pain as I do live in a rainy and cloudy state -
Washington!
>
> What has been everyone's experience for recent installs?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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110/119 Listings Post 129 Transition (Updated 11/01/2026)

Over the past year I have been tracking the changes on Western Arc. The past 3 months have had a lot of changes that I posted in the other MPEG2 Western Arc shutdown thread. Now that 129 is (basically) out of commission, here is where Western Arc stands. This is just a national channel list, (no local channels) based off what I can see and what others have contributed. Thanks to everyone who has helped me come up with the locations of some of the channels – I would try and list all of you out, but I know I would forget someone! As has been suggested in other parts of the forum, it would be great to collect the spotbeam data for those who could contribute!

A couple of pieces of info:

Out of the 64 transponders between 110/119, there are currently 50 transponders that Dish is licensed to use. 22 are Spotbeams, 28 are ConUS transponders (14 transponders are licensed to DirecTV and Dish doesn't have access to them)
Those 28 ConUS transponders are divided as follows:
- 10 are dedicated to National HD channels (ESPN, CNN, Disney Channel, etc). Dish is maxing out at 16 HD channels per transponder (note – in an earlier post I said there was one transponder with 17 HD channels, that was an error on my part. When I double checked my listings, one channel changed transponders). Before the transition, there was a maximum of 14 HD channels per transponder.
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- 3 are set aside for HD Sports channels that are only on for live games (NBA League Pass, the PAC 12 alternate channels, some PPV events, etc); 3 SD PPV Sports Channels are there as well.
- 7 are for SD and/or music channels. Dish is maxing out at 26 SD channels per transponder thus far on the SD transponders.
- 5 transponders on 110 I have no channels listed but Dish operates. (they are labeled as ConUS on my chart below) There are other things that could be on those transponders, like RV Distant Networks, internal testing channels, etc, that I can't see. They might be able to be used for additional content, but I am not sure exactly what is on those transponders.

There are two transponders that have lower than normal SD channels – 110, TP 21 and 119, TP 19. Previously those transponders contained the programming guides that get downloaded from the satellite when the receivers download EPG. I assume that is where the programming guides are still downloaded from, thus less channels there.

When I talk about number of channels on a transponder, all my numbers are unique channels – for example, channel 101 and 199 are the same channel mapped to two different numbers, but in terms of space, only takes up 1 channel worth of bandwidth on the transponder.

Finally, I have to give Dish a ton of credit. When it was 110/119/129, Dish had 82 transponders they were using – it took a lot to get it down to 50 transponders and figure out where all the pieces were going to go. What are the things they did to get there? Here are the things I saw:

During this migration from 129, Dish converted 7 ConUS transponders on 119 into Spotbeams – that is how they ended up fitting on all the HD locals that used to be on 129. (for those interested, TP 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13 are the ones that used to be ConUS on 119 that are now Spotbeam)
Removed almost all SD duplicate channels that are offered in HD
Converted remaining SD channels from MPEG2 to MPEG4
There are also 2 subtle things that changed from the HD channel perspective
- At the beginning of the transition, Dish decreased the number of PPV Movie channels – prior to this transition the PPV channels HD PPV movies were 502-522; now they are 502-517.
- At the beginning of April when MLB, NBA, and NHL regular seasons were all going on at the same time and this transition began, there were a ton of games "joined in progress" for the HD feeds. That wasn't common since the days before the full time HD RSN's. The reason for that was prior to the transition, Dish had 4 transponders set aside for HD Sports – 2 transponders was the bandwidth set aside from the HD RSN's before Dish dropped the RSN's, then 2 transponders were for alternate channels. Now we are down to 3 transponders for HD sports.

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zippyfrog

Tuesday at 5:11 PM

Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now. TP 02, 04, 06, 08, 10 were all functioning as Spotbeams as of last week, but now they are ConUS.

This means all 21 transponders that Dish has access to at 119 are now ConUS.

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dishrich

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zippyfrog said:
Dish has officially removed all the locals from 119 and they are all on 110 now.

Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?

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zippyfrog

Yesterday at 5:20 AM

dishrich said:
Might be a silly question, but does this mean ALL 29 TP's on 110 are positively spot beams now?

Nope - TP 1-13 are still ConUS on 110. Which is crazy...there are so many different spotbeams on the new 110 satellite compared to the older 110 or 119. Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now? If so, it looks like TP 1-13 are coming from the old satellite at 110 and 14 onward are spotbeams on the new satellite.

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dishrich

Yesterday at 12:47 PM

zippyfrog said:
Now, someone can correct me if I am wrong on this - but aren't there two satellites at 110 right now?

Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?

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zippyfrog

Yesterday at 6:07 PM

dishrich said:
Hopefully nelson61 can chime in on this one, because I'm not sure, either.
I guess the thing I'm really perplexed about, is if there are NO more locals - at least on spotbeams - on 119, then how DID they cram ALL the locals on 110 & NOT have ALL those x-ponders in SB mode by now?

Here was a comment by nelson61 last year:

nelson61 said:
EchoStar 23 (Conus beam) will still be at 110W so there can be some Conus beam coverage from 110W depending on how many transponders they use for the spots.

In the same thread, he gave all the kml files for the spotbeams to put on Google Earth, and it looks like there are a lot more spotbeams per transponder available than the old satellite. My gut is that there is just a more technilogically advanced satellite, and can handle more channels.

I would love an analysis of how many channels could be fit on all the spots!

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dishrich

Yesterday at 8:36 PM

zippyfrog said:
My gut is that there is just a more technilogically advanced satellite, and can handle more channels.

My only trouble with that explanation, is the fact that they are wasting at least 1 TP (TP 10, to be precise) on a local market (part of the Chicago locals are on that TP) that could be used for more CONUS channels (namely more HD!)

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zippyfrog

Today at 4:36 AM

dishrich said:
My only trouble with that explanation, is the fact that they are wasting at least 1 TP (TP 10, to be precise) on a local market (part of the Chicago locals are on that TP) that could be used for more CONUS channels (namely more HD!)

I ran the Schedule S through ChatGPT to analyze the data quickly, and according to ChatGPT, the 16 transponders currently being used for SpotBeams on 110 is all that has been authorized by the FCC. So Dish might be using TP 01-13 for ConUS on 110 for the foreseeable future. If that is the case, Dish has a ton of space to bring in more HD channels nationally or use that bandwidth for something else.

I know my lists aren't perfect as I can't see all the test channels and behind the scenes channels, but for channels available to subscribers - there are no channels on 119 TP 01-08 and 10; and on 110, TP14 has only 4 channels. With Dish putting 16 HD channels per transponder right now, that is about 145+ slots for HD channels that are available if Dish does keep 110 as ConUS for TP 01-13.

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dishstaller

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Last reply Yesterday at 10:15 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Color blind man sees full colors for first time at age 66

Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

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Bobby

Yesterday at 10:10 PM

dishstaller said:
Videos like this can make you appreciate the things we take for granted.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a2cgQidHQJI

That brought tears to my eyes.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:12 PM

Bobby said:
That brought tears to my eyes.

Really...REALLY hate to do this to you Bobby, but....

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:15 PM

Okay....if you think you can take it....this one brought tears to my eyes when I first saw it and did again just now.

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DialgaChampion

Last reply Yesterday at 9:29 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Two Hopper 3 DVRs Installation

Does someone still have the diagram showing how to connect two Hopper 3s again?

I currently have one H3 and one 4K Joey, set up through a 1000.2 eastern arc hybrid lnb and solo hub.

The plan is to replace the Joey with the second H3. Already purchased a duo hub and I have three coax cables coming in from outside, from back when I used to have the older 1000.4 dish and the hopper 2. I don't fully remember, but I think the other two coax cables are just tied up next to the dish outside; will have to check again.

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HipKat

Sep 5, 2022

You need a 42 switch.
Run the outputs to the inputs on the Duo Hub

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DialgaChampion

Sep 5, 2022

HipKat said:
You need a 42 switch.
Run the outputs to the inputs on the Duo Hub

Okay, so I made an updated diagram just to make sure I understand this right...

- 2 Coax connected from outside Dish LNB into 42 switch.
- 2 Coax from 42 switch into Duo Hub.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into 1st Hopper 3.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into Power Inserter.
- 1 Coax from Power Inserter into 2nd Hopper 3.
- Power Inserter plugged into wall electrical outlet.

Did I get that right? And also, I assume the power inserter is required?

HipKat

Sep 5, 2022

DialgaChampion said:
Okay, so I made an updated diagram just to make sure I understand this right...

- 2 Coax connected from outside Dish LNB into 42 switch.
- 2 Coax from 42 switch into Duo Hub.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into 1st Hopper 3.
- 1 Coax from Duo Hub into Power Inserter.
- 1 Coax from Power Inserter into 2nd Hopper 3.
- Power Inserter plugged into wall electrical outlet.

Did I get that right? And also, I assume the power inserter is required?

Twa Coaxes from the LNB if it's Eastern Arc (2 "Eyes") and three if it's Western Arc and yes, the power inserter, it's required

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LQQK

Sep 6, 2022

DialgaChampion said:
Does someone still have the diagram showing how to connect two Hopper 3s again?

I currently have one H3 and one 4K Joey, set up through a 1000.2 eastern arc hybrid lnb and solo hub.

The plan is to replace the Joey with the second H3. Already purchased a duo hub and I have three coax cables coming in from outside, from back when I used to have the older 1000.4 dish and the hopper 2. I don't fully remember, but I think the other two coax cables are just tied up next to the dish outside; will have to check again.

Are you going with 2 H3s for the PIP/Multi-View features or something else?

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DialgaChampion

Sep 6, 2022

LQQK said:
Are you going with 2 H3s for the PIP/Multi-View features or something else?

No, it's specifically to fix the problem with the 4K Joey's live feed intermittently freezing. I'll be watching a live program and then randomly out of nowhere, the picture and sound will just pixelate/freeze for 5-10 seconds, then go back to normal. Doesn't matter which channel it's on either. It's like what happens when the signal cuts out during heavy rain or a thunderstorm, but this will happen even on a perfectly clear day/night.

It doesn't happen with my H3 though, only with the Joey. I've replaced the solo hub and I've also replaced the Joey itself with another brand new 4K Joey, but it's still the same problem. And I know it's not the coax going from the hub into the Joey because I previously had another receiver connected in the same room before changing to the whole home dvr setup and that receiver worked fine.

So I'm basing this off process of elimination, which seems to indicate a problem with the 4K Joey device itself. Only thing I haven't tried is maybe getting a regular Joey 3, if that's still the latest model of Joey currently available, but otherwise the only other solution is getting a second Hopper 3. It'd be nice if the 42 and the Power Inserter weren't necessary and I could just use the Duo Hub though.

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DialgaChampion

Oct 28, 2026

HipKat said:
Twa Coaxes from the LNB if it's Eastern Arc (2 "Eyes") and three if it's Western Arc and yes, the power inserter, it's required

tjboston5676 said:
Yep just swap the lnb with a dpp lnb and connect the 42 switch.

Finally got around to trying to set everything up. Need some help because I've got an issue.

1st Hopper 3 works fine.

2nd Hopper 3 doesn't show any channels in my Top 200 package in the guide, even though it's set to All Subscribed. But it does see the 1st Hopper 3 and can access the recordings on it.

Here's my setup:

DPP EA 61.5/72 LNB on the dish. 2 Coaxes going from LNB into the DPH42 switch.
DPH42 "Receiver 1" port > Power Inserter "To Switch" port..... Power Inserter "To Receiver" port > Duo Hub "ODU 1" port.
DPH42 "Receiver 2" port > Duo Hub "ODU 2" port.
2 Coaxes from both Host ports on the Duo Hub into both Hopper 3s.

I've spent the last few hours troubleshooting, no success. I did the Test Installation on the Diagnostics screen. Red button. Held Power Button for 15 seconds.

Also tried several different configurations with the coax cables according to Google's AI suggestions. Tried connecting both a Solo Hub and a Duo Hub (I don't have 2 solo hubs at the moment), having each Hopper connected to each hub independently. Tried connecting Receiver 2 from the DPH42 directly into the 2nd Hopper 3. Tried having the Power Inserter connected both before and after the hub.

I even checked my account online. Both Hopper 3s are authorized and "Powered" on the account. Even tried "Wake Up Receivers". That second H3 still won't show my channels in the guide at all.

According to Google's AI, it thinks this is the problem:

- When you plug two Hopper 3 units into a single Duo Hub, the hub cannot allocate the correct satellite transponder frequencies to both boxes simultaneously.
- As a result, the first Hopper 3 hogs the satellite line, while the second Hopper 3 gets locked out of the satellite signal entirely—causing an empty guide and blocking live TV. The unlinked status on the whole-home screen occurs because the software recognizes the conflict and stops integration.

But none of its solutions have worked. Any ideas?

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n0qcu

Oct 28, 2026

Googles AI is wrong as according to what you wrote you have two completely separate satellite line from the switch

My be a dumb question but did you run the check switch option on th 2nd H3

Did you try swapping the H3 to see if the problem switches between the two

That's all I can think of at the moment

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DialgaChampion

Oct 28, 2026

n0qcu said:
Googles AI is wrong as according to what you wrote you have two completely separate satellite line from the switch

My be a dumb question but did you run the check switch option on th 2nd H3

Did you try swapping the H3 to see if the problem switches between the two

That's all I can think of at the moment

Check Status complete. No issues found.
Test Installation screen shows green checks for 61.5 and 72, all 16 tuners.
Options > TV Activity shows 1 of 16 tuners in use.

When I bring up the program guide, the dish scapes channel appears and displays fine. The guide also shows the bonusview channels, and the stream and ppv channels.

I tried swapping the 2nd H3's cables with the 1st H3 and having it as the only H3 connected. It still has the same issue, so it seems isolated to the second Hopper 3 itself.

There was another suggestion from Google, not sure if it applies:

If the TV Activity Screen shows that your tuners are "Available" and "1 of 16 in use," your satellite signal path is 100% active and perfectly working. Your hardware wiring bypass has officially succeeded—the second Hopper 3 is successfully talking to the DPH42 switch, receiving high-frequency satellite data, and its internal processors are healthy. Because the hardware is fully operational, the fact that your screen is still black and the guide is missing means your receiver is stuck in Account Quarantine (Authorization Hold). Because a dual Hopper 3 system requires a non-standard account setup (32 tuners instead of the typical 16-tuner cap), standard "Wake Up" hits sent from the customer app or website are getting rejected by the system. The box can look at the data stream (which is why tuners show as available), but it is legally blocked by the internal software from decoding the live video feeds. To flip the switch and activate the live video feed, a DISH billing agent must manually push a tier-3 service re-hit through their legacy terminal.

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slow_poke_pete

Oct 28, 2026

DialgaChampion said:
No, it's specifically to fix the problem with the 4K Joey's live feed intermittently freezing. I'll be watching a live program and then randomly out of nowhere, the picture and sound will just pixelate/freeze for 5-10 seconds, then go back to normal. Doesn't matter which channel it's on either. It's like what happens when the signal cuts out during heavy rain or a thunderstorm, but this will happen even on a perfectly clear day/night.

It doesn't happen with my H3 though, only with the Joey. I've replaced the solo hub and I've also replaced the Joey itself with another brand new 4K Joey, but it's still the same problem. And I know it's not the coax going from the hub into the Joey because I previously had another receiver connected in the same room before changing to the whole home dvr setup and that receiver worked fine.

So I'm basing this off process of elimination, which seems to indicate a problem with the 4K Joey device itself. Only thing I haven't tried is maybe getting a regular Joey 3, if that's still the latest model of Joey currently available, but otherwise the only other solution is getting a second Hopper 3. It'd be nice if the 42 and the Power Inserter weren't necessary and I could just use the Duo Hub though.

Why not upgrade to the joey 4 with is an android box and dump the 4k joey

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DialgaChampion

Yesterday at 9:29 PM

Ok, I finally solved it. The second Hopper 3 just needed to be updated to the latest software version. After downloading it, all the channels in my package showed up in the program guide. I guess Dish's system is set up so that if your receiver doesn't have the most recent software update, you can't access your channels, even if the receiver is authorized on the account.

Thank you everyone for helping. I'm very proud I was able to set all of this up myself with all of your guidance. I only wish my mother was still alive to enjoy it, but life is not fair.

slow_poke_pete said:
Why not upgrade to the joey 4 with is an android box and dump the 4k joey

Stubborness perhaps. I could've tried replacing the original H3 to see if that solved the freezing issue too, since it's over 10 years old now. But I spent so much time and effort trying to set up the coax cables correctly and buying all the correct equipment for a 2 Hopper setup that I was determined to get it done. I'm not a DIYer, but this was one thing I was very passionate about doing, to give my parents the best television experience possible without the hassle of internet/streaming.

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Last reply Yesterday at 8:14 PM · posted in The Sports Section

NFL 2026-2027 Season

Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.

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HipKat

Tuesday at 4:27 PM

Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.

Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.

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Howard Simmons

Yesterday at 11:24 AM

HipKat said:
Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.

Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.

Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 11:49 AM

Howard Simmons said:
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

So is Kelce.

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meStevo

Yesterday at 12:14 PM

Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').

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Yespage

Yesterday at 1:31 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

Well you see him more because he is incredibly talented. And yes, typically players try to spin things being in their favor. This isn't cricket where sportsmanship (except in Australia) is expected.

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HipKat

Yesterday at 8:13 PM

Howard Simmons said:
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.

He wants to be Brady

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HipKat

Yesterday at 8:14 PM

meStevo said:
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').

The only people who deny what Brady got from the officials are Brady fans

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tparker

Last reply Yesterday at 6:09 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

"Bonus View" Channel List

I was bewildered with all the new DISH TV "Bonus View" channels, so I put together a web page table with all the info I could find. It's at:

https://anythingpeaceful.org/dishtv/DISH_TV_Bonus_View_Channels.html

Here's a partial screenshot of the table, as sorted by Channel Name. (You can click on a column header to sort.)

If you have any corrections or suggestions, please post here.

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tparker

Sep 30, 2026

One Bonus View channel added today. And one correction (on my part):

One Removed:

My full list is at: DISH TV "Bonus View" Channels

BTW, not a Bonus View item, but there was a temporary channel 304 Spooktacular added, I imagine just for the Halloween season.

Thanks again to Pat for the many tips.