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Does anyone know where to find reliable statistics on fta viewership in North America? For instance:
- how many are watching at least one hour/week an fta program on Galaxy 19 (97W) ?
- how many are watching fta primarily in English, or Spanish? How about French?
The question I am trying to get answered is: how many people will benefit if a channel such as TV5 MONDE would be fta in North America? A few hundred people? Thousands? Millions? Nobody? Just myself?
How about the viewership of particular channels. For instance, Canal Algerie. How many people are watching this channel in North America at least one hour/week?
Also, I am interested in the cost involved. How much does a channel such as Canal Algerie has to pay to be present fta in North America. I really have no idea. Are we talking about $1000/year? A million?
I apologize for using Canal Algerie as an example. It is one of the channels that I am watching once in a while if it happens to have something in French.
Thank you.
- how many are watching at least one hour/week an fta program on Galaxy 19 (97W) ?
- how many are watching fta primarily in English, or Spanish? How about French?
The question I am trying to get answered is: how many people will benefit if a channel such as TV5 MONDE would be fta in North America? A few hundred people? Thousands? Millions? Nobody? Just myself?
How about the viewership of particular channels. For instance, Canal Algerie. How many people are watching this channel in North America at least one hour/week?
Also, I am interested in the cost involved. How much does a channel such as Canal Algerie has to pay to be present fta in North America. I really have no idea. Are we talking about $1000/year? A million?
I apologize for using Canal Algerie as an example. It is one of the channels that I am watching once in a while if it happens to have something in French.
Thank you.
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There is more than just sermons on those channels. Classicsat lists the reason why they are up there. I've seen plenty of good programs on those channels. And heck, old Doc Scott can cure insomnia
But I know you're going to mention how those religious stations are on Dish & Direct. They PAY to be on those providers.
actually checking the various locations it is a pay provider in some markets
There is more than just sermons on those channels. Classicsat lists the reason why they are up there. I've seen plenty of good programs on those channels. And heck, old Doc Scott can cure insomnia
But I know you're going to mention how those religious stations are on Dish & Direct. They PAY to be on those providers.
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we don't know that for sure. Also anything put on Dish or Direct has to be paid for to be able to be seen. Even the channels that PAY to be put on those systems like religious & shopping channels they are in a package.
I guess I dont understand why you are throwing such a fit to be able to see it when it is AVAILABLE? You just have to subscribe to Dish Network. You want it so bad, subscribe. Lots of folks who want to view channels from their homeland subscribe to Dish or Direct because that is the only way. I could understand if there was no way to see the channel but we have given you two examples now on how to view it
1. get it through Dish
2. get it through Bell or Shaw Direct
Alot of those international channels sign exclusive agreements with Dish or Direct so that is the only way to see them in the US. No way around that. Seen plenty of free channels or subscription channels through Globecast get dropped because the channel signed an exclusive deal with _______________________
Sorry but North & South America have different views of FTA than Europe. Been like that way for years
we don't know that for sure. Also anything put on Dish or Direct has to be paid for to be able to be seen. Even the channels that PAY to be put on those systems like religious & shopping channels they are in a package.
I guess I dont understand why you are throwing such a fit to be able to see it when it is AVAILABLE? You just have to subscribe to Dish Network. You want it so bad, subscribe. Lots of folks who want to view channels from their homeland subscribe to Dish or Direct because that is the only way. I could understand if there was no way to see the channel but we have given you two examples now on how to view it
1. get it through Dish
2. get it through Bell or Shaw Direct
Alot of those international channels sign exclusive agreements with Dish or Direct so that is the only way to see them in the US. No way around that. Seen plenty of free channels or subscription channels through Globecast get dropped because the channel signed an exclusive deal with _______________________
Sorry but North & South America have different views of FTA than Europe. Been like that way for years
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It is not AVAILABLE. What is available is a custom made, tailored program for the US market, which even has a different name: TV5 Etats Unis. This is not what I want. I want TV5 Europe which is not available here. Even if people could argue that the difference between TV5 Europe and TV5 Etats Unis is small, that difference means a lot to me.
Basically, you are right. I understand that FTA is different in the Americas and if an fta channel becomes successful, it is very likely they will be included in a premium subscription offering by one of the major distributors and will no longer be fta. This is fine. The problem I have in the case of TV5 is that in their mission statement they appear to have a different purpose than the one you describe.
The TV5 mission statement (charter) can be found in French only at: http://www.bakom.ch/org/international/01014/index.html?lang=en
This is like an organization claiming to be "non profit" (just as an example here) is engaging in for profit activities. Either one is fine on its own but it is misleading to claim one thing and do the other.
It is possible that I no longer understand French enough to have a good and truthful interpretation of their mission statement. If anyone can correct me I sincerely appreciate.
I guess I dont understand why you are throwing such a fit to be able to see it when it is AVAILABLE?
It is not AVAILABLE. What is available is a custom made, tailored program for the US market, which even has a different name: TV5 Etats Unis. This is not what I want. I want TV5 Europe which is not available here. Even if people could argue that the difference between TV5 Europe and TV5 Etats Unis is small, that difference means a lot to me.
Basically, you are right. I understand that FTA is different in the Americas and if an fta channel becomes successful, it is very likely they will be included in a premium subscription offering by one of the major distributors and will no longer be fta. This is fine. The problem I have in the case of TV5 is that in their mission statement they appear to have a different purpose than the one you describe.
The TV5 mission statement (charter) can be found in French only at: http://www.bakom.ch/org/international/01014/index.html?lang=en
This is like an organization claiming to be "non profit" (just as an example here) is engaging in for profit activities. Either one is fine on its own but it is misleading to claim one thing and do the other.
It is possible that I no longer understand French enough to have a good and truthful interpretation of their mission statement. If anyone can correct me I sincerely appreciate.
The title was to catch everyone's eye lol! But it is a thought I've been having as I dev a Roku app for a client. You see many MAAANY years ago I got really interested in cable TV channels and even chatted with a regional carrier, Insight about what it took to get a channel number. It was surprisingly easy although prohibitively expensive.
You could petition, reserve a high channel number, they monitored performance and if they liked you, you'd get lower channel number overtime and cut into ad overlays.
Roku has a similar setup. Make an app, if it has a strong, original linear component you could get channel assignment on The Roku Channel.
As mixed as my feelings are on the current media landscape, I can't help but feel a little excited interest when I scope out the apps in the Roku store.
You could petition, reserve a high channel number, they monitored performance and if they liked you, you'd get lower channel number overtime and cut into ad overlays.
Roku has a similar setup. Make an app, if it has a strong, original linear component you could get channel assignment on The Roku Channel.
As mixed as my feelings are on the current media landscape, I can't help but feel a little excited interest when I scope out the apps in the Roku store.
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Season 2 order already in hand:
'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1
I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1
I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.
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I know HipKat said that they were working on conversions but we got the official news yesterday right from Dish that starting next month all DMA's will be on the western arc, and all customers will be assigned to that. That's gonna mean a lot of customers around here aren't gonna get Dish unless there are exceptions. Too many mountains and trees.
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Unfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…have charlie buy you a new house
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that would be one hell of a convoUnfortunately, I don't think my social proximity to Charle Ergen provides any special perks. Maybe if Foxbat, Jr. were to marry his daughter…
.Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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I remember this in the news too...
www.nbcnews.com
$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone
A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.
www.nbcnews.com
That is a misnomer. In the old days you subscribed to telephone service. That included the telephone line and one telephone. An extension cost $1 a month extra. So that $14,000 over 42 years was for the service not the leased telephone. There is no way they paid $28 a month for 42 years for a leased telephone.I remember this in the news too...
$14,000 spent on rented rotary phone
A widow rented a rotary dial telephone for 42 years, paying what her family calculates as more than $14,000 for a now- outdated phone.
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me either. sometimes it seems like things disappear when they start changing sh*t around
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So...DirecTV advertises the Choice package with 95+ bonus channels for Satellite customers. You don't want 90+ of the 95...
Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.
I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.
What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.
If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.
Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.
MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.
Excluding PPV, premium networks, infomercial, shopping, religion, and non-English programming, there are 7 channels on satellite that are not on streaming:
NFL Network, MavTV, FE TV, Free Speech, NASA, INSP, and Pursuit. I'm pretty sure a couple of those are public interest that they have to carry to meet an FCC quota on satellite.
I hope they get called out for this advertising because that is ridiculous. One big network, NFL, will probably get added to streaming when their next agreement comes up, and the rest are likely very low viewership.
What about streaming, what do you get extra with the Choice package that isn't on Satellite:
Two stations - one of which is an internet TV - Fox Weather, and Heros & Icons (a diginet). Nothing special here to look at either.
If they cleaned up a couple of their agreements, added a few public interest stations to streaming, they could probably have their lineups match. It's close now, if you take out all the garbage on satellite that they earn money on. If they can sell infomercials on satellite, why can't they on streaming, seems like a miss. A bigger miss, including those stations in the "bonus channels just for satellite customers." Pretty sad marketing right there.
Attached is a comparison sheet of satellite vs streaming for the three main packages if anyone is interested.
MOD EDIT: See Post #3 for an up to date list of what channels are available on sat but not on streaming/internet, see Post #21 for an up to date list of what's available in the app for streaming customers, but not for sat customers.
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Apple Fall Hardware Event takes place today, September 9, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. PT / 1:00 p.m. ET. It marks the debut of new CEO John Ternus and the expected reveal of Apple's first foldable phone.
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. can we say over priced garbage!!!
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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TWiT Tech Podcast Network
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TWiT Tech Podcast Network
Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!
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