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kykernel123

Last reply Dec 14, 2004 · posted in DIRECTV General Forum

2nd Line Installation into dual tuner

Just purchased the Direct TV Hughes DVR-80 receiver yesterday at Best Buy and yes I now know that I have to run TWO lines into the back of the receiver to get full functionality of the Tivo/DVR service (ie. taping two things at once). I have a triple LNB receiver with 3 receivers in the house, therefore since the triple LNB satellite has a built in multiswitch with 4 ports, I have one that is not currently occupied.

Here is my problem. The sattelite is located on the very opposite corner of where my other cables enter the house and are grounded. The TV that I want to go is literally 8 feet from my sattelite just inside the outside portion of the house where the sat. is. My other cables are buried going to the other side of the house and I would rather just drill into the side of the house right by the satellite to feed this second cable to the receiver. Question is can I just run it into the house and into the receiver or do I have to run it all the way to the othe side of the house, ground it and then run it all the way back for my second line? This delimma really comes down to grounding. Do I need to ground this additional line? If so, can I ground it independantly from the other line and not have to run cable all the way over just to ground? I have a huge steel support beam that goes across the house just inside the crawl space right by the satellite, it would be cool if I could just attach to it if I need to ground this second line or I guess I could put a grounding rod in. The easy way would be to just run the cable into the house right there and not ground it, but I'm afraid of the issues. I need some advice please.

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CablerMN

Dec 13, 2004

Neutron said:
As long as your dish itself is grounded you don't have to worry about grounding the coax lines.

That may be bad advice. The NEC says quite the opposite, as may the local building codes for the area where you live.

Neutron

Dec 13, 2004

I'm going off how mine is set up. Mine coax lines go to a grounding block and both it and the dish are grounded.

Let phrase what I said earlier better. Provided his was installed properly he should be able to install the coax that he needs and not worry about having to ground it. Depends on if he has a spare hookup on his grounding block.

Here's a picture of mine.

CablerMN

Dec 13, 2004

The edit looks much better.

I got a couple of PMs regarding my post (why not just post?) and while I am sure it has been hashed over and over and over again, in a nut shell (NOT A DIRECT QUOTE OF THE CODE) this is what the NEC says:

+ The mast of the antenna must be grounded to the common ground of the structure.
+ Each cable must be grounded to the common ground as close as possible to the entry of the structure.

kykernel123

Dec 14, 2004

Ok, I just checked my set up and it appears to me that my satellite guy never grounded the actual dish, just the coaxial lines that are attached to the ground block. So now I'm assuming that I will need to run a ground wire 60 feet around the house all the way to the ground block that is attached to the home ground rod. I will also need to plug in my coaxial cable to the existing vacant LNB port on my triple LNB dish and run it all the way around the house as well to the ground block and then all the way back to the receiver for my 2nd line into my dual receiver (DVR).

This seems pretty straightforward, but it will just be a pain because of the amount of cable I am going to have to run to get the job done.

Mike500

Dec 14, 2004

The system needs to be grounded!

kykernel123 said:
Ok, I just checked my set up and it appears to me that my satellite guy never grounded the actual dish, just the coaxial lines that are attached to the ground block. So now I'm assuming that I will need to run a ground wire 60 feet around the house all the way to the ground block that is attached to the home ground rod. I will also need to plug in my coaxial cable to the existing vacant LNB port on my triple LNB dish and run it all the way around the house as well to the ground block and then all the way back to the receiver for my 2nd line into my dual receiver (DVR).

This seems pretty straightforward, but it will just be a pain because of the amount of cable I am going to have to run to get the job done.

The system needs to be grounded. Adding a new ungrounded cable is not the answer.

First, I ditch the cable connection from the dish to the place where you are putting the DirecTivo. Run two new cables for the 8 feet or so directly to the Tivo from the dish with the cables going through the wall. Use a dual grounding block mounted horizontally (with drip loops). Run either a 10 or 8 ga. copper wire to the big metal beam that you mention. As a professional, I have special UL clamps for beams on mobile homes, but you can use a 1/4" machine bolt and nut, if you drill a 1/4" hole within 1/2" of the edge of the beam. Run the ground wire through the old and the new grounding blocks.

At a point on the beam closest to the electrical panel, run 10 or 8 ga, copper conductor to the main panel grounding and connect it with a "split bolt."

This might not comply with NEC 2002, but it does comply with previous versions and makes the installation much safer. If the original installer grounded the cables to a separate grounding rod, this would bond the ground to the house system ground.

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KAB

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Last reply 1 minute ago · posted in TV Shows

Slow Horses - Apple TV

Just finished S2. Watching Gary Oldman as deshvilved, dejected MI-6 agent, Jackson Lamb, is one of the best things streaming right now. Already 2 more seasons in the works. HIGHLY recommended. And yes, Mick Jagger sings the theme.

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N5XZS

Sep 16, 2026

A fine top notch TV show which is light years ahead!!

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KAB

Sep 17, 2026

N5XZS said:
A fine top notch TV show which is light years ahead!!

"Jackson Lamb for Prime Minister! "

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Foxbat

Oct 8, 2026

Mrs. Foxbat and I are enjoying another great season so far. We only had to turn on the captions a few times.

KAB

Oct 9, 2026

Foxbat said:
Mrs. Foxbat and I are enjoying another great season so far. We only had to turn on the captions a few times.

I think this new season is a little too slow of a burn (as of ep #4, probably due to new show runner. However, I can't wait to find out what's up with Taverner!

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KAB

Today at 4:31 PM

Well, the season finale went balls to the wall. Non stop action and several twisted twists. Gary Oldman at his best. Very well written and executed. Tavener owes Jackson big time. Only "if" was Jack Lowden's (River) cliffhanger, especially admin-st the buzz that he is the next James Bond in waiting.

klang

1 minute ago

Planning to start the new season tonight.

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Intelligent Machines 893

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

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Why $299 Is Too Much for the Apple TV 4K

Time for another AWESOME video from the TWIT Network!

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ppappas

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Last reply 43 minutes ago · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Newest NCIS recording doesn't allow auto skip

On Tuesday, I recorded the first episodes of the new season's NCIS shows on CBS (Dish provided, not OTA). The new New York series and Origins will both do Auto Skip, but the original, now season 24 does not. What's stranger, when I do a search for NCIS, Origins and New York show the current recording and the next episode it will record, but the original show only shows the current recording and some other channel showing the very first episode of season one. It makes no sense. When I set up the timers, I was able to use search for Origins and New York, but for the original, I had to scroll ahead in the guide until last Tuesday when the show was airing. Then set the timer from there. You can see its timer type is DVR where the other two are Seek. What am I missing?
Thanks!

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Nebugeater

Thursday at 9:12 AM

It is obviose some people do not know the diffornece between auto skip and FF

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Bobby

Thursday at 11:22 AM

Nebugeater said:
It is obviose some people do not know the diffornece between auto skip and FF

And there is a difference between fast forward and skip forwad....

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tanman

Thursday at 11:25 AM

With both CBS and Fox autohop (as we know) is not enabled for a week..But after 24 hours if you mash the FF button until the red kangaroo shows up in the bottom right you wont overshoot the program. No need to try to figure how long the break is.

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Cold Irons

Thursday at 12:03 PM

tanman said:
With both CBS and Fox autohop (as we know) is not enabled for a week..But after 24 hours if you mash the FF button until the red kangaroo shows up in the bottom right you wont overshoot the program. No need to try to figure how long the break is.

Yep. We do this all the time, but we use the 30-sec skip forward button until the red kangaroo shows up. Love this feature.

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Jim5506

Thursday at 9:27 PM

I'm a bit confused about the recording methods.
Do you havePrime Time Anytime enabled, by doing that you don't have to set recordings for Prime time programs on ABC, CBS, NBC or Fox stations, it's done daily, 7 days a week.
And only 2 weeks recordings are saved, no deletions either.

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dennispap

43 minutes ago

Jim5506 said:
I'm a bit confused about the recording methods.
Do you havePrime Time Anytime enabled, by doing that you don't have to set recordings for Prime time programs on ABC, CBS, NBC or Fox stations, it's done daily, 7 days a week.
And only 2 weeks recordings are saved, no deletions either.

Correct. If you enable PTAT, you don't have to set other timers for those programs. You can choose all of the 4 networks or as few as you want. You also can choose all 7 days or other options. However the programs will auto delete after 8 days unless you save that episode or save the whole series.

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Gary Toma

Staff member Pub Member / Supporter Cutting Edge

Last reply 48 minutes ago · posted in DIRECTV Technical Resources Forum

DIRECTV Transponder Map ~ Data 10/14/2026

The TPN Map Excel Presents all DIRECTV Channels:

National (50-States or wide/NAT+PR beams)
Local (Local-Into-Local or narrow/Spot beams)

Additional tabs provide:

OTA the (Over-The-Air) Database
VOD (Video On_Demand) Records
Offline Records
Engr Records
Net Decoder a graphic presentation of all satellites and transponders

Domestic Satellites
@99W...... D11, D14
@101W.... D16
@103W.... D12, D15
@110W.... D5
@119W.... D8

Understanding the TPN Map

Making Sense of the TPN Map Display Conventions

DIRECTV_TPN_Map_261014.xlsx 1,874 KB

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KyL416

Yesterday at 2:37 PM

WCWW/25 CW South Bend and WBKP/5 CW Marquette are now testing on the stream server. These are both already available on satellite.

Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS

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doctor J

Today at 7:22 AM

DirecTV Satellite Transponder Updates for Oct 21 2026

Comparison of Transponder Data for Oct 21 2026 vs Oct 14 2026:

No changes in system tables for any transponder tuning parameters.

Changes to the use of defined transponders:

1 Transponder cleared of all Streams::
Net 10 TID 126 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D11@99cb, TPN 3

1 Previously unused Transponder with current APG records::
Net 15 TID 15 Beam NAT is a National Transponder on D12@103ca, TPN 16

Stream (PID) counts:

LIVE Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K	4
HD	264	2	1449
SD mpeg4	145		194
SD mpeg2	433
RB
Audio	89
Push	26
Slate	19		1

TEST Streams	National		Spot Beams
	Count	Change	Count	Change
4K
HD			1
SD mpeg4
SD mpeg2
RB
Engr Work	38	-2

The PID count Excel workbook provides much more count detail.

Newly updated tables of Streams on each transponder are available in the DataDigesters TPN Grids

More details of changes in individual channels will follow in the Weekly Analysis
and Gary Toma's Domestic TPN Map Excel files

NBA Updates
Weekly Analysis soon
Enjoy
DataDigesters

doctor J

Today at 7:23 AM

weekly Analysis for 10/21/2026:

Weekly_Analysis_261021.xlsx 16 KB

KyL416

Today at 7:25 AM

HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps

Mr Tony

Today at 10:40 AM

KyL416 said:
HAWKS, HORNETS, GRZZLIES, HEAT, MAGIC, CAVLIERS, TWOLVES, BUCKS, PACERS and SPURS channels have also been added, however they are pointing to a TV Promise slate, which says they are working with DAZN and others to strike a deal for those teams.

Some more TPN swaps

Wait…..
So even though DAZN keeps touting 'only way to see games' if you are a subscriber to Choice (like my stepdad) if an agreement is reached he can see the Wolfies on 668?
I know the Wild are in dispute and a slate is on 668-1.

KyL416

48 minutes ago

KyL416 said:
Now live in the satellite guide:
663-2 PISTONS (663-1 is likely being reserved for an overflow feed of Detroit Sportsnet, if there's a 2027 MLB season)
675 THUNDER
693 CLIPPERS

They're finally live in the app's API, doing a check

PISTONS is not available in Detroit (WMYD/20), it is available in the rest of Michigan including Marquette who also gets the games on their MyNet station WJMN/3, along with the Toledo DMA and the northern portions of the South Bend and Fort Wayne DMAs.

THUNDER is available in OKC and Tulsa, so I wonder if DTV is just going to keep the OTA feeds of KSBI/52 and KQCW/19 and direct viewers to 675 for the rest of the games.
On stream it's in Choice for Oklahoma (inlcuding the Oklahoma portions of the Amarillo, Sherman-Ada, Wichita Falls-Lawton and Joplin DMAs) and Western Arkansas and requires Sports Pack for Nebraska, Kansas and Western Missouri, I'm not sure if it's the same for satellite.

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Song Name Game Part 3!

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Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

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Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

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An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Good Golly, Miss Molly - Little Richard

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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent

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Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors

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Today at 3:01 PM

Jump Down, Spin Around - Harry Belafonte

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Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Today at 4:24 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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dishdude

Monday at 5:05 PM

I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.

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MikeD-C05

Today at 1:10 PM

dishdude said:
I had one, the front panel lighting was cool, the menus were fresh and a lot more modern looking than the ViPs. However, it was very buggy and the Sling functionality just didn't work well - I think it was due to internet speeds at the time. I think I had to pay $40 for the Sling app on my phone iirc.

I had both the 921 and the 922. I used to buy them from DishDepot.com in Florida and trade in my older owned receiver towards the newest receiver. The 921 was a reboot receiver and the sling part was hit or miss. I look back on all those receivers I paid for over 25 years and I think it was just TV. If I had that money back now I would be lot richer. My Owned Hopper 3 is sitting in a drawer in my office not being used.

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telstar_1

Today at 1:33 PM

That was part of the Ergen scheme, to sell the product as well as the service. And who didn't want the best box?

Maybe they went to the hopper because they were running out of 3-digit model #s- 1022 would have been kinda clunky. Folks would have tried to say "one-thousand and twenty two" instead of "ten-twenty-two".

Like some say "two thousand and twenty six".

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Strega

Today at 2:34 PM

That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.

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KAB

Today at 4:24 PM

922 was a train wreck. The end!

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KAB

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Last reply Today at 4:00 PM · posted in TV Shows

Terminal List- Amazon

Much better than the critics would want you to believe. Only problem, the last guy was pretty obvious a couple of episodes in.

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reubenray

Jul 4, 2022

I have watched three episodes so far and I like it.

thomasjk

Jul 4, 2022

As do I.

osu1991

Aug 20, 2026

View: https://youtu.be/y3rAi63uDTQ?si=oO5i7Q7YGB8yorb3

October 21 on Prime

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osu1991

Today at 4:00 PM

Season 2 out now on Prime

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Last reply Today at 3:56 PM · posted in TV Shows

Amazon Prime: The Rings of Power

Amazon Sets 'The Lord of the Rings' TV Series In Mega Deal With Multi-Season Commitment

$250 Million just for the rights to make something :eeek

The LOTR original series, a prequel to Tolkien's The Fellowship of the Ring, will be produced by Amazon Studios in cooperation with the Tolkien Estate and Trust; HarperCollins; and New Line Cinema, a division of Warner Bros. Entertainment, which produced the hugely successful LOTR movie franchise.

Set in Middle Earth, the television adaptation will explore new storylines preceding Tolkien's The Fellowship of the Ring.

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long_time_Dish

Nov 9, 2024

Two friends recommended this show to me and I was hooked by the second ep of season 1! Production values are amazing and the episode runtimes are (typically) over an hour, which makes it really easy get hooked on the story because they're playing it out with movie-like pacing rather than a 34-40 minute episode. Acting and casting is really good as well!

I got started on season 2 a few nights ago and was wondering if anyone else is watching?

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Bruce

Nov 9, 2024

long_time_DNC said:
Two friends recommended this show to me and I was hooked by the second ep of season 1! Production values are amazing and the episode runtimes are (typically) over an hour, which makes it really easy get hooked on the story because they're playing it out with movie-like pacing rather than a 34-40 minute episode. Acting and casting is really good as well!

I got started on season 2 a few nights ago and was wondering if anyone else is watching?

I am amazed you like it.

Made it thru season 1, thought it was terrible, but wanted to give it a chance, made it to halfway on Season 2, Episode 2, just could not take it anymore.

It like they took the worse Lord of the Rings fan-fiction off the internet and made it into a TV Series.

Yes, the production values are high, but that does not make it into a good series.

long_time_Dish

Nov 11, 2024

Bruce said:
I am amazed you like it.

Made it thru season 1, thought it was terrible, but wanted to give it a chance, made it to halfway on Season 2, Episode 2, just could not take it anymore.

It like they took the worse Lord of the Rings fan-fiction off the internet and made it into a TV Series.

Yes, the production values are high, but that does not make it into a good series.

They're taking a lot of this from The Silmarillion, of which I'm not quite a third of the way through yet, and sure, they've invented some new people, places and situations, but it's still (IMHO) a really good prequel to LOTR. Having only just started season 2, I'm still enjoying it quite a bit. I'm really not seeing the fan-fic angle in it. If season 2 proves to be as enjoyable as season 1 was for me, I'd sure like to see a 3rd season.

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long_time_Dish

Nov 13, 2024

Up to s2, ep4. Didn't like episode 3 quite as much as the rest, but episode 4 was terrific!

osu1991

Today at 3:56 PM

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Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

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