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Last reply · posted in DIRECTV General Forum
Overall, we are very, very happy with our switch from D* to FIOS. Here are some random thoughts and comparisons if you are ever thinking about leaving D*:

Things we'll certainly miss about D*:

1. D's terrific sports coverage and packages-none better
2. Channel 101
3. The "list" button
4. A 90 minute buffer (we went to TiVo to avoid Verizon's crappy boxes-only 30 minutes)
5. Double dash delete on your recorded list
6. D*'s superior hardware (boxes) and software interface when compared with Verizon, unless you get your own TiVos with Verizon cable cards-generally, D* gives you more and better hardware choices than anyone, imho
7. D*'s superior window box for watching what you are viewing while surfing
8. D*'s portability if we ever want to build or move outside of an area served by Verizon fiber
9. D*'s lower monthly price for each additional box (a tricky comparison-$5 vs $14.99, but you do not pay anythng for Verizon's boxes and you can use cable cards for less) despite Verizon's overall lower cost for apples to apples service.

Things we loved right away about FIOS:

1. An immediately noticeable better picture on every kind of channel except premium HD movie channels like HBO or Showtime-those were equal with D*, or, put another way, D*'s best channels looked about the same as all the Verizon channels. Most dramatic difference on HD 'cable' channels like, say, Fox News or HGTV, etc. Verizon is very, very good-perfect to my eye.
2. Interfacing with TiVo Premiere plus cablecard-really like the new TiVo (seamless, easy, but FIOS boxes suck-really)
3. Both TiVo and Verizon's own boxes are faster on fiber optics-they switch channels, functions, reboot, etc. faster than D*
4. A returned ability to get local community access channels
5. On our two best sound producing setups-better music channel sound on FIOS-I'd say equal to CD quality-surprised me-really good stuff.
6. No huge, expensive heat producing multi-switch in our media closet-a streamlined wiring diagram for FIOS
7. No lost signal in thunderstorms, or snow
8. All channels have equally strong signal on FIOS-no variance as on D*'s different satellites.
9. No outdoor dish if we want to take it down
10. Combining Netflix, Amazon, Blockbuster, You Tube, all music services, etc., world without end into one box-love it
11. Superior ability to bundle the phone services, internet and video into one aggressively priced package-saves us a lot of $$.
12. No silly two year service commitment if you add a new box. We volunteered for a six month commitment with FIOS to get an temporary, increased introductory package advantage, but the long term, non promotional package had no commitment and is still way less than D*
13. Verizon's boxes are "free." You do not have to buy them-they suck, but they'll give them to you. :) If you do buy your own TiVo, you own it, and do not have to return it. And, your own TiVo box, which you OWN, is compatible with any cable service if you move, but not D* or DISH.
14. Verizon's installers in this area are company employees and better trained. No stupid, inept D* sub-contractors
15. TiVo to Go desk top has great portability, high video quality and you can download recorded shows and convert to iPod! Sweet.
16. Really easy box networking-switch shows from one to another-better network controllability and integration, great video when you put a recorded show on your laptop computer to travel with.
17. The Verizon Triple Play package upped our internet speed to 30/25 and added free long distance, and then lowered the price for both.
18. Over-the-air antenna programming is integrated into our TiVo boxes-we can easily watch local weather radar, etc. Verizon's rebroadcast of local digital channels is better than over-the-air for us because we live 35 miles from the over-the-air broadcasting antennas.


Just some parting impressions. Overall, there is more to like about Verizon than I initially thought when comparing before the switch and shortly after. (I really liked the idea of not ever having to again pay for another fried multiswitch)

It won't be the same for everyone and opinions will vary. I'll always keep in mind that if we build on some property we own North of here, I'll be back to D* in a flash without hesitation because there is no fiber there, and may never be there.

Best regards,
The Camper
still happy after all these years
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Lkr
did you have to pay for those tivos yourself? must have been pretty expensive
riffjim4069
did you have to pay for those tivos yourself? must have been pretty expensive
TiVO HD was $198 brand new...added 1TB external hard drive for under $100.
cfb
cfb
Yeah, you can get deals on the premiers for $199ish. But then you have a monthly service fee per box or you're out $299 a pop for lifetime.

I'm still considering getting a pair of premiers and going back to cable, especially if directv wont give me a deal on sunday ticket. It'd cost me about $1000 out of pocket for two boxes and lifetime for both.
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What happens to the $300 if you decide to cancel your Tivo service?
What happends if your Tivos Break?
cfb
cfb
You dont cancel it, you sell the tivo with lifetime on it for ~70-80% of what you paid for it. If you hacked it with a larger drive for more space, you might get more for it on ebay than you paid for the tivo+lifetime+hard drive.

If the tivo breaks, you send it into tivo and they either repair it for about $100 for most problems, or they replace it with a refurb thats also got lifetime on it.
M
thanks for the comparisons...cant get Fios here in MN since Qwest is the local Telco
Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent
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Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors
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Jump Down, Spin Around - Harry Belafonte
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Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks
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This Old HEART Of Mine(Is Weak For You)-The Isley Brothers
iJustine
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It's not even where it folds!
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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Almighty1
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
AZ.
AZ.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
someone is showing their age
Almighty1
someone is showing their age
LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
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dishstaller
I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord 🤣
navychop
someone is showing their age

You should hear his stories about when rocks were soft and pterodactyls were the new kid on the block!
dishstaller
One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA0yZ1nrm6M&pp=ygUPd2tycCBwaG9uZSBjb3Bz
dishstaller
Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
He was 71 yrs old. One of my favorite songs is Seminole Wind....the violin is killer.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8sh9P3X33w
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FTA4PA
Rest In Peace
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I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song. Rest in peace Mr Anderson.
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Bobby
Rest in peace.
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comfortably_numb
Hope you're out there Swingin', John.
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dishstaller
I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song.
That's one of those songs that hits a little too close to home for me. I like the song but just can't listen to it. It's kinda like that song "Daddy never was the Cadillac kind".....reminds me too much of my Grandfather who died Feb 18, 1995.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
My OTA is not working anymore. This started after the latest update. I have the OTA dongle with a OTA antenna that I've been using for years. My hopper does not recognize the dongle anymore and when I go to the OTA setting, it has a screen that says to plug a dongle into the USB. I tried unplugging and plugging back, in the same usb port and other ports. The Hopper does not recognize it. Anyone have same issue?
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Scott Greczkowski
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy. :)
bookworm370
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy. :)
Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that! ;)
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Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that! ;)
dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!
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dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.
Almighty1
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.
Unless of course they didn't keep a copy of the old drivers and can no longer get it. Then there is always the their support for the product is EOL after a x amount of time so it will make the consumer have to buy the current product offering.
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Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
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Almighty1
Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
No updates but if you can get DISH Technical Operations to roll you back to H710 or earlier even though H708 would be best because it also eliminates another problem like in this comment, you will also no longer have the problem as long as you don't update manually or forced to any new version until the problem is fixed as the problem started in H711 and still exist in H712 and H713.
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dishstaller
Installed an off-air antenna a couple days ago for a customer who had just cancelled his Dish service. He had a dual off-air adapter and gave it to me. Cool. I'll keep it on the truck....might come in handy. Got to admit I don't watch anything as far as live tv goes anymore. Even if we have severe weather, our local channels will have a live feed on Youtube.
navychop
In other news, it was announced that the software fix for the two tin cans and a string will not be forthcoming. A hardware fix is required. However, that fix will let you receive stations from a gazillion miles away.

Truck roll charges may apply. Two year commitment required.
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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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navychop
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
TRG
TRG
17 years ago the US turned off analog OTA signals in favor of digital broadcasting. Now the push is ATSC 3 "Nextgen TV". But nobody seems to be able to agree on DRM implementation protocols. People don't want to hook their TV up to the internet in order to watch over the air TV. At least I don't. With all the data they collect about your viewing habits the box should be given away at no cost.
navychop
Comb your hair.
primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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navychop
I truly hope you are right.
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