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I know that I have said this before, but I had yet another example of this, so I figured that it was worth posting again.
I used a 2 port diseqC A/B tone burst switch for many years with no problems, but I needed more ports so I bought a 4 port diseqC switch. I used this for a short while before it died, so I bought 3 more 4 port switches, all of different brands. None of the 3 new switches worked completely, although one worked on 2 ports, but two of them were basically completely dead right out of the box. I later got another switch with a receiver. It worked for a while, but then died, so I decided to try once again with the other ones that had previously died, but which I hadn't thrown out yet. Sure enough, the first one I picked up worked fine. Used it for a few months, then IT died, so I grabbed another of the dead switches, sure enough it worked. Used it for several months, until it died, grabbed another dead switch, it worked fine.
About a week ago, I went to watch sat, and NOTHING. Went out and exchanged for another dead switch. Everything worked fine. Today, went to watch sat, only one port out of 4 was working. Plugged in another dead switch.... working fine. So by now, I have reincarnated every one of my dead switches at least twice, except for one that I took apart to experiment with
Now, the disclaimer.... I'm pretty sure that my recent failures were due to moisture, since I don't hermetically seal any of my outside connections, and the last 2 failures were during or after rainstorms, BUT several of the failures, including the 3 that were dead right out of the box obviously weren't weather related. {Instead of sealing my switch, and other connections, I keep them in a box that's waterproof on the top, but open to the air on the bottom, so the switches are still exposed to humidity.}
But the bottom line is .......
IF your diseqC switch "dies" DON'T THROW IT AWAY, it may come back to life later.
I used a 2 port diseqC A/B tone burst switch for many years with no problems, but I needed more ports so I bought a 4 port diseqC switch. I used this for a short while before it died, so I bought 3 more 4 port switches, all of different brands. None of the 3 new switches worked completely, although one worked on 2 ports, but two of them were basically completely dead right out of the box. I later got another switch with a receiver. It worked for a while, but then died, so I decided to try once again with the other ones that had previously died, but which I hadn't thrown out yet. Sure enough, the first one I picked up worked fine. Used it for a few months, then IT died, so I grabbed another of the dead switches, sure enough it worked. Used it for several months, until it died, grabbed another dead switch, it worked fine.
About a week ago, I went to watch sat, and NOTHING. Went out and exchanged for another dead switch. Everything worked fine. Today, went to watch sat, only one port out of 4 was working. Plugged in another dead switch.... working fine. So by now, I have reincarnated every one of my dead switches at least twice, except for one that I took apart to experiment with
Now, the disclaimer.... I'm pretty sure that my recent failures were due to moisture, since I don't hermetically seal any of my outside connections, and the last 2 failures were during or after rainstorms, BUT several of the failures, including the 3 that were dead right out of the box obviously weren't weather related. {Instead of sealing my switch, and other connections, I keep them in a box that's waterproof on the top, but open to the air on the bottom, so the switches are still exposed to humidity.}
But the bottom line is .......
IF your diseqC switch "dies" DON'T THROW IT AWAY, it may come back to life later.
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I agree BJ
I only throw away switches if they are destroyed
I have a couple 4x1 diseqc's that port 4 is shot...but 1-3 work fine
I only throw away switches if they are destroyed
I have a couple 4x1 diseqc's that port 4 is shot...but 1-3 work fine
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My switches are inside so weather don't affect them. I'd rather run the coax and keep the electronics inside if I can. 
I still have my first diseqc switch around here somewhere. Similar to yours, but 1, 2 and 4 work, and port 3 took a crap!
I agree BJ
I only throw away switches if they are destroyed
I have a couple 4x1 diseqc's that port 4 is shot...but 1-3 work fine
I still have my first diseqc switch around here somewhere. Similar to yours, but 1, 2 and 4 work, and port 3 took a crap!
This is a very interesting discussion. I, like B.J., do not toss my suspected bad switches. Why I keep them is kind of an unknown to even myself. But, allow me to explain something that I have personally observed and see if it rings any bells with all of you.
First of all, I haven't been utilizing the four port DiSEqC switches much in the past few years as I have set up my motorized dish and the application of a switch was no longer a necessity for me. But, going back in time a little bit, I had a number of fixed point dishes which were combined using an array of SW21 and 4X1 DiSEqC switches.
During that time, I found several of the 4X1 DiSEqCs to fail on me. Sometimes, as B.J. mentioned, they were defective right out of the box! Other times, they seemed to work decently initially, but after a few weeks or a couple of months, problems started to appear.
Port #4 seemed to always be the first to fail. Sometimes it would just seem to die a quick and obvious death and at other times, it would simply slowly degrade. The signal strength and quality level would diminish gradually over time until it would finally become unusable. If I continued to use the switch "as is" then I would notice that port #3 would follow the same path of demise as port #4 did.
I never continued to use the switch after these two ports failed, so I don't know if port #2 would follow suit in numerical order.
I may just be trying to look for an electronic conspiracy theory here, but maybe there is something else to it. I just cannot explain why so many different 4X1 DiSEqC switches failed in the same pattern for me. Perhaps you guys have witnessed this, too?
I need to mention that all my switches were protected from direct exposure to the elements, but were still outside (in a Hoffman box with a gasket seal). Therefore, no direct rain or sunlight or intense heat was at hand, but still, it was not like being inside in a controlled environment.
As I mentioned, maybe I am looking for some "conspiracy" theory here and I am using that term as a tongue-in-cheek comment, but from what I have read of your comments compared to my own experiences, there appears to be a pattern here.
From B.J.'s comments, I get an impression that the switches which are failing are exhibiting an almost uncanny resemblance to the operation of a FET. I mean in the sense that, over time, the gate control voltage seems to become residually controlling and diminishing the current capacity of the junction until it eventually no longer can maintain the connectivity between the source and the drain.
I am certain that this is not a valid explanation of the problem, but the symptoms seem to want to act as if it were so. Hence, the ability for the switches to be resurected after time passed. It sounds like a capacitive charge is building up on the gate that is preventing the channel from opening fully and grows increasingly worse. Then, after taking the switch out of service for a length of time, that charge bleeds away and the switch acts like it was new once again.
As far as I have been informed, most of these switches are constructed with PIN diode junctions and therefore my theory doesn't really follow the guidelines of the operation of these junctions exactly. I cannot explain why these switches are reacting this way. However, I think that you can identify with how I perceive the symptoms.
Again, I don't intend to say that I am able to explain the reasons why, I just know that it is occuring and what it seems to emulate on the surface or what it appears to be at first glance seems to have a certain pattern and therefore it should be explainable.
I say that this is a very interesting subject as you all seem to have noticed many of the same things that I have also observed.
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Anyone else watch this show? Any guesses as to what was in the box Gibbs gave to Abby that was on her desk? It look liked it was glowing.
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
I also heard that someone was leaving the show at the end of this season. Any guesses as to who thats going to be?
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Tony as the director.
Would you rather have LaRoche ???Tony as the director.
No. Bring in someone new.
Tony is not serious enough for me. Parker is too close to the team and Tim is too young to take over IMO.
I don't think Tim and Tony are that far apart in Age ...No. Bring in someone new.
Remember what Tony said to Tim when they first got back together ...
Tony said: I am the New Tony, Tim .... (something to that effect)
Tony has changed, he's been running his Security Business ... I'm sure he has grown up.
Give it time ... your judging the New Tony from the old Tony.
It sounds like Tim won't be around the Team much longer either.
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For quite a while now, people with a VIP211k have been losing their recordings on their activated external HDDs... even when there's nothing physically wrong with HDD. I believe this is an intentional and underhanded tactic that Dish is pulling in an attempt to force users away from the VIP211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
They are obviously regretting that they ever let users have a "non-dvr" dvr in the first place. You would think they would be happy charging you a $40 one time fee... and then be happy letting the customer be the one responsible for HDD failures.
Dish clearly hates the 211k bitter-clingers. This recording deletion problem is intentional (IMO), and I think it is just one more tool that they are using. Hopper and a 2-year agreement... that's what they want you to have. Think about that... a 2-year agreement... with a company $30 Billion in debt (that's with a B). What happens when all that debt causes them to drop the channel that may have been your whole reason for having Dish in the first place? Guess who's stuck with a service that no longer suits their needs... for the remainder of the 2-year agreement.
On top of that, they don't want you to install it yourself. I purchased and installed all my equipment myself. That used to be common. Now, they lie to me and tell me that my dish must be updated to use a Hopper. Funny thing is... they don't even know what dish I have because they didn't install it, and I didn't tell them. If you ask what type of dish/LNBs the hopper needs... good luck getting an answer. All they know is that whatever you have needs to be upgraded by an installer.
It is quite apparent to me that they care much more about staying in their box, than they do working with the customer. That's too bad, because it hasn't always been that way. It's like they are totally unaware of the current business environment that they are trying to compete in.
I have been a customer since 2010. I will be cancelling my service before the next period. Yeah, I know, my $1,200 a year won't make a difference to them. It just seems like they have forgotten who needs who, especially when you consider the competition in today's streaming world. But hey, they will have succeed in forcing me off the 211k.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Nah, you just don't understand how ignore works, which is why you made your own NFL thread thinking there wasn't one
For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.
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Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat. 
WTF… …What the Foxbat!Remember folks... just like DNS... its always Foxbat.
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I know. Here's what Scott has in store for me if I get out of line:wow what a kick in the balls!!! the wife blames you when things don't work now scott's blaming you
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