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Last reply May 14, 2010 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Convince Me That Dish is Better

Convince me that, in the long run, Dish is better. Why should I go with them over DirecTv?

If we go with them, why is it better to purchase a receiver over doing a 2yr plan with them where they provide a rental receiver.

The promotions aren't as great for us thanks to over $41,000 in medical bills that have destroyed our credit. We can only get a promotional rate for 12 months with DirecTV & with Dish, we have to pay an "upgrade fee of close to $200" in order to get the promotional rate. If we purchased the receiver (HD DVR), we wouldn't get any special pricing with Dish.

I think that all made sense. The point is that DirecTV is actually around $40 cheaper over the 2 years of the contract period...but I can't seem to get myself to order through them. If the price were comparable or less, we'd have already signed up for Dish.

Convince me to spend the extra money. Tell me Dish is worth it.

Amy

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Yespage

May 12, 2010

Sounds like I'd recommend the bunny ears, hooked up to the tv and getting the free OTA stuff until you get finances in line. Neither service is cheap.

Personally, I did Directv for 8ish years. Was really happy, but saw that it would be cheaper to do Dish as a Soccer fan. Been with Dish for 1.5 years. The DVR has behaved much better than Directv's.

But as I've said, go OTA and hook up the antenna to your television until you can afford Sat. Good luck.

kstuart

May 12, 2010

Actually, I second that recommendation.

Get an OTA antenna and in Vegas, you should pick up all the networks.

You can get other things from hulu.com or other sites...

Neither satellite or cable is for anyone with financial problems.

ThoughtsofTHATmom

May 13, 2010

Yespage said:
Sounds like I'd recommend the bunny ears, hooked up to the tv and getting the free OTA stuff until you get finances in line. Neither service is cheap.

Personally, I did Directv for 8ish years. Was really happy, but saw that it would be cheaper to do Dish as a Soccer fan. Been with Dish for 1.5 years. The DVR has behaved much better than Directv's.

But as I've said, go OTA and hook up the antenna to your television until you can afford Sat. Good luck.

Gee. Thanks for the unwarranted financial advice. I don't recall saying our finances WEREN'T in order. I said that our credit was crappy thanks to over $41,000 in medical bills. Unfortunately, we weren't able to pay all $41,000 in bills off all at once. As a result, they ended up on our credit. Again, unfortunately, things that are on your credit STAY on your credit for WAY too long after you've paid them off...especially with medical bills (in my opinion).

Trust me, while we were paying the bills off, we made sacrifices that MOST won't make today...like having our ONLY vehicle be a vehicle that has over 270,000 miles...and not having cable or satellite for most of the past several years while we paid the bills off.

Someone having bad credit (especially when it's SOLEY because of medical bills) is NOT someone who is financially irresponsible. Talk to me when YOU can pay $41,000 in medical bills in 1 year...or are willing to say no to blood transfusions & other treatments for your child to avoid those bills.

Seriously!

Amy

ThoughtsofTHATmom

May 13, 2010

kstuart said:
Actually, I second that recommendation.

Get an OTA antenna and in Vegas, you should pick up all the networks.

You can get other things from hulu.com or other sites...

Neither satellite or cable is for anyone with financial problems.

Again, see my response to the other guy. NO WHERE in my original post did I say that we "have financial problems" I said that our credit is crappy "thanks to over $41,000 in medical bills". Which it IS! And there's NOTHING we can do about that!

We wouldn't even be CONSIDERING this service if we still had $41,000 in medical bills. We'd still be doing without!

I'm sure you guys are just trying to help when you post this, but you're talking to someone who has lived bare bones for 4 years to get every penny of this paid off. All the while, we've had people telling us how we needed a 2nd car & how could I grow most of our own food & why didn't we just file for bankruptcy? We shouldn't have to pay that much anyway. We should have been able to get help from the government. They know so & so who did...whatever & the government paid all of it. What? Why can't you go out with us AGAIN! You haven't been out in 2 years!

So, I'm sorry if I came off as harsh. I've just been doing this for years while we worked our butts off to pay off every penny of that debt. We don't have a car loan, we don't carry credit cards or any other debt. We paid cash years ago when I went to nursing school. We just had the medical bills. The total of those bills that year was close to $60,000. We exhausted our entire savings paying as much as we could, and had to pay out the rest....while living with a child who needed food & meds that cost $3500/month for 6 months. And then $400/month for a year after that.

Again, please forgive my harshness. I'm just weary of it.

Amy

SparksPA

May 13, 2010

After reading the entire thread I must tip my hat to you and yours ThoughtsofTHATmom. You are a great American!

I only wish that the countless others had even a hint of the courage and the integrity that you do. :up

ThoughtsofTHATmom

May 13, 2010

SparksPA said:
After reading the entire thread I must tip my hat to you and yours ThoughtsofTHATmom. You are a great American!

I only wish that the countless others had even a hint of the courage and the integrity that you do. :up

You're too kind. We just did what we should do. I know there are others like us. I've met them. They're just not out-going, vocal bloggers like me.

Amy

Yespage

May 14, 2010

ThoughtsofTHATmom said:
Someone having bad credit (especially when it's SOLEY because of medical bills) is NOT someone who is financially irresponsible. Talk to me when YOU can pay $41,000 in medical bills in 1 year...or are willing to say no to blood transfusions & other treatments for your child to avoid those bills.

Seriously!

Amy

First off, glad to here that the hospital bills are in the past, not in the present. Secondly, you can leave your attitude at the door. In no way did I say that your were financially reckless. With that attitude, I should recommend that you get Comcast or Time Warner!

Respond to what a person says, not what they didn't say.

racerx-99

May 14, 2010

ThoughtsofTHATmom said:
Again, see my response to the other guy. NO WHERE in my original post did I say that we "have financial problems" I said that our credit is crappy "thanks to over $41,000 in medical bills". Which it IS! And there's NOTHING we can do about that!

I'd chime in to defend those responses because of the way you made it sound originally, I believe it was (unintentionally) misleading. Most people with "crappy credit" have tons of debt, it's a reasonable assumption. However, if I understand your clarification correctly, it doesn't sound like you should have "crappy credit". It sounds like you racked up some (unavoidable) debt from our lovely health care system, and worked your a$$ off to pay it off. Highly commendable actions (though it's certainly not my place to pass judgement, good OR bad) and a tough thing to do, but by itself it's not credit destructive.

Since you did get it all paid off (and in a timely manner), are you sure your credit is so "crappy"? I'm guessing you would know, so you probably had to do some "dealing" with the creditors, but that ought to be the exact right thing to do to protect your credit. Shoot, I would figure that the credit folks would be falling all over themselves to try to get you back on the credit wagon, seeing as how you've just proven yourself (the hard way!) to be a responsible creditee.

Anyway, I'd +1 to talking to Claude, hopefully there's a way to waive some of these credit requirements upfront and save you some money. I wouldn't necessarily avoid credit cards if I were you, since you they obviously aren't what caused or contributed to your problem, and could save you money in the long run (when used responsibly). I personally hate auto-pay setups, but I use them sometimes when they'll save me money (and cancel them as soon as I can once they do).

As for the Direct vs. Dish decision, I generally actually discount the weight of the upfront costs a lot if I plan to be with something for a long time. Dish has the better DVR and mostly better movies, while Direct has mostly better sports. If I were you I'd push for trying to waive some of the upfront credit-related costs and go with Dish. The owning vs. leasing equipment option really shouldn't be a huge decision point, with technology changing so fast, leasing can actually be a better option sometimes.

LQQK

May 14, 2010

Dish has the better DVR and mostly better movies, while Direct has mostly better sports.

I'm gonna fire TWC and get a dish, is there a site/link that does a direct side by side comparison of the two satellite companies?

I need boxes for 3 systems, one with a HD-DVR and the others with HD, who offers the best QUALITY as well as customer satisfaction?

The thread is titled Convince Me That Dish is Better Well,,,Please do the same for me,, I don't care what it cost's, I want the best.

LQQK

racerx-99

May 14, 2010

LQQK said:
I'm gonna fire TWC and get a dish, is there a site/link that does a direct side by side comparison of the two satellite companies?

I need boxes for 3 systems, one with a HD-DVR and the others with HD, who offers the best QUALITY as well as customer satisfaction?

The thread is titled Convince Me That Dish is Better Well,,,Please do the same for me,, I don't care what it cost's, I want the best.
LQQK

First, I would itemize what *you* want/need from your service. Things like:

*Necessary* stations/content (include whether HD is required)
*Desirable* stations/content (but not necessarily deal breakers)
Desired equipment functionality
- DVR
- HD
- Multi-room viewing
- Remote access and control
- Streaming/Remote viewing
Price limits (upper limit you are willing to pay)
etc.

Personally, once I did that, the decision pretty much made itself. The major one was that Direct doesn't even offer locals in my area (and at least one local is completely impossible to get off-air without a big-a$$ antenna). That and the fact that Dish had the channels I wanted in a lower package, so it was much cheaper overall. Add in the higher quality DVR that worked in 2 rooms, and there was simply no real decision to be made.

Obviously, for others the decision factors will be different, in depends on your location, channel preferences, equipment functionality needs (and number of sets), and price sensitivity.

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Last reply Today at 2:04 PM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby

Thursday at 11:20 AM

Regular$6.099
Premium$6.599
Diesel$7.999
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

Bobby

Today at 10:27 AM

Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399
Diesel$7.999
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

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harshness

Today at 11:30 AM

I wonder if California is getting into the Winter formula.

dishstaller

Today at 12:32 PM

Bobby said:
Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399

Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.

harshness

Today at 2:04 PM

dishstaller said:
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.

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klang

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 2:00 PM · posted in TV Shows

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy - Paramount+

Season 2 order already in hand:

'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' Renewed for Season 2, Tatiana Maslany to Guest Star in Season 1

I've not been optimistic about this show based on what I've read so far. Seems to be aimed at a younger audience. Interesting though that Tatiana Maslany will have some sort of role.

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klang

Jul 28, 2025

I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

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klang

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
I'm sure I will watch at least the first episode but I am not optimistic.

Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

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MikeD-C05

Oct 11, 2026

klang said:
Here i am over a year later and just finished season 1. Not great but not as bad as I was expecting. Did not care for the barefoot captain stuff but overall ok. Actually looking forward to see what they did for season 2.

Yeah, the foot stuff was just nasty. I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less. Funny, I love being shoe less at home and never wear shoes indoors in my home for long, but seeing her laying on all her furniture with her bare feet hanging out just kind of grossed me out.

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harshness

Tuesday at 11:28 AM

MikeD-C05 said:
I kept thinking of how dirty her feet would get traipsing around shoe-less.

Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

MikeD-C05

Today at 12:51 PM

harshness said:
Where would this "dirt" come from? Dead skin and dandruff?

There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure. So walking around the station like she did she would get stuff on her feet. I am sure the robot vacuum is still going to miss stuff, with all those different alien species running around there.

harshness

Today at 2:00 PM

MikeD-C05 said:
There would still be dirt ,dust in the future I am sure.

Where is it going to come from -- specifically?

Why do you think cleaning technology won't improve in the next few hundred years? HEPA filtration was invented as part of the Manhattan Project.

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JohnGalt1234

Last reply Today at 1:49 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

H3 EHD lists upcoming airings instead of recordings on EHD and often won't recognize EHD is connected after reboot

This started a couple months ago. I have 2 H3s on one network, both with 2 EHD identical 3 TB seperately powered so all recordings are accessible by all 4k & J4s (8 of them).

On one H3 (not the main one that controls the MOCA network), after it reboots, it doesn't recognize it has two EHDs plugged into it. Rebooting the EHD by their power source doesn't fix it. Resetting the network doesn't. Software h3 reset doesn't fix it. Rebooting MOCA h3 doesn't fix it but so far, after 3+ cold boots (unplug pwr to H3 with unrecognized EHDs), it finally it figures out they are plugged into it. BUT.... Then when you open a program it only partially shows series and episodes, but instead of showing recordings, it only shows upcoming airings. HELP!!!!

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navychop

Yesterday at 3:40 PM

It'll only see two EHDs at a time.

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 7:18 PM

JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

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JohnGalt1234

Yesterday at 9:02 PM

Almighty1 said:
JohnGalt1234 - So you basically have 2 Hopper 3's. The CasinoH3 is the one that is Hopper 3 only while Master Bedroom is a Hopper 3 with Hopper Plus setup.
Master Bedroom uses Android TV (ATV) software so the DISH part is actually a app and will behave differently as you can probably tell the Guide's are different on the Master Bedroom which will resemble the same guide used on other ATV devices such as the Joey 4 and Wireless Joey 4. If I am correct, the CasinoH3 is the one with the problem since you did say the one dated 09/05/2026 is the naughty one while 08/15/2026 named Master Bedroom is the nice one. Usually I would expect the CasinoH3 to be the one without the problem because it's Hopper 3 only and Master Bedroom would be the one with problems because it has the Hopper Plus involved. That is why they behave differently because CasinoH3 is running the native Hopper 3 software while Master Bedroom is running the Android TV software and also it runs a app called DISH known as package com.dish.atv.launcher, the version for mines is P15403 2026100917 so it's probably the same version as the Hopper Plus software version with the date of October 9, 2026, not sure what the 17 means except maybe revision 17?

This explains it better than I can. Sorry, had to take all the ads out.

View attachment 194857

As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.

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Almighty1

Today at 12:02 AM

JohnGalt1234 said:
As I understand it, the android is just the display signal from the hopper+. I can disconnect the H+ and plug the hdmi directly into the master hopper3.

It is not just a display signal as explained above. When you have the Hopper+ connected, it uses Android TV for pretty much everything except for the satellite signal which is why it uses the DISH app for the standard Hopper 3 functions. But that should not matter because in your case, CasinoH3 is the Hopper 3 with the EHD which is what you call the naughty one based on the dates you mentioned and Master Bedroom which has the Hopper Plus connected to the Hopper 3 that does not have the problem. So one way to test the theory is disconnect the Hopper Plus from that Hopper 3 and then use the EHD's connected to CasinoH3 currently to see if the same issue exists. That way you will know if the problem is there without a Hopper Plus connected or if CasinoH3 is just a bad hopper to begin with.

Normally when you disconnect the Hopper Plus, it will be 30 minutes or more before you can use the Hopper 3 again.

What you want to do is:
hold the POWER button in, not the red reset button, for about 45 seconds or so while disconnecting the power to the Plus and moving the HDMI cable and it will reboot to the normal Hopper only immediately.

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bookworm370

Today at 1:41 PM

navychop said:
It'll only see two EHDs at a time.

Yes, I have only two online at a time.
One comes online, the other one consistently will not come online

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bookworm370

Today at 1:49 PM

bookworm370 said:
Yes, I have only two online at a time.
One comes online; the other consistently won't. Also, when I connect the EHD, the USB Detected status light on the EHD itself changes from Red to Green. But the Hopper (713) does not start the EHD read process. The light changes to indicate that the EHD has detected a valid USB cable, but the Hopper does not recognize it.

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Peter Parker

Supporting Founder Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 1:01 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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bookworm370

Yesterday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:40 PM

I got the 713 update yesterday.

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naptime

Today at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Today at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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Bobby

Today at 10:32 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

This has been an ongoing issue. A fix is coming, probably in the next software version.

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dishstaller

Today at 1:01 PM

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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telebiker

Last reply Today at 12:54 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dish Hopper and Dish Hopper Plus No Alexa in settings

I have Dish Hopper and Hopper Plus and also have Alexa Echo. I link the Alex skill to Dish and it asks me to enter the pairing code shown on the TV. I go into Dish Settings and there is no Alexa shown. Not sure what to do.

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HipKat

Mar 15, 2026

Guys,
Android is Google. Google is Android. Android OS and Google TV are the same thing.
The Hopper+ and Joey 4's run Android TV, which is Google's television version of Android.
That means under the hood, you have:

Linux kernel
Android framework
Google TV / Android TV interface
Google Play Store for TV apps

Alexa is the competition. Google is not going to host their competition.
The old Hopper Carbon UI is NOT Google so that's why Alexa was on there.

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Harryhaggle

Mar 18, 2026

Understood. But here's the rub - Google Assistant setup is ALSO missing from the Hopper Plus setup. I'm a paraplegic.and need to use voice controls as much as possible but I can't press a button on the remote to activate Google Assistant. I prefer ALEXA (or ALEXA+) but I have one older google device and will go that route IF they make it available. BTW calling Dish Customer Service is no help- they just say they have no info on if/when there will be an update.

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navychop

Mar 18, 2026

Ungood.

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reubenray

Today at 10:17 AM

What is the purpose of connecting Alexa and the H3?

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navychop

Today at 12:54 PM

Tell Alexa verbally what to do.