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andrew110

Last reply May 18, 2010 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dolby Digital 5.1 with SD?

I'm about to get a 211k but I don't have the HD package, can I get Dolby Digital 5.1 from standard definition programming?

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andrew110

May 17, 2010

Even the shows on CBS, ABC that say "presented in 5.1 Dolby Digital"?

whatchel1

May 17, 2010

probably not

andrew110 said:
Even the shows on CBS, ABC that say "presented in 5.1 Dolby Digital"?

That's only for OTA. They would have to decode & re-encode and why would they spend the $$ to do it.

xyz38

May 17, 2010

No DD 5.1 on sd but ProLogic on many sd programs.

Our local CBS station always shows DD, on my Onkyo receiver, no matter if the program is in DD, stereo or mono and our local NBC mever shows DD. It is always ProLogic II no matter what program is showing.

They both have a problem but they don't seem to think so.

whatchel1

May 17, 2010

With NBC

xyz38 said:
No DD 5.1 on sd but ProLogic on many sd programs.

Our local CBS station always shows DD, on my Onkyo receiver, no matter if the program is in DD, stereo or mono and our local NBC mever shows DD. It is always ProLogic II no matter what program is showing.

They both have a problem but they don't seem to think so.

I can tell you what the problem is w/ NBC station. I was until recently an eng at an NBC station. The whole net got new audio encoders and not that long ago had to be reset by hand. I had to do that in an over night session to keep from getting too many complaints. Their system may strip off the encoding w/o ther even knowing it or maybe can't pass it at all. CBS even though I worked at one of their stations a couple of yrs ago and CBS can switch their audio remotely the station may not be able to pass the info thru their system. At the CBS station ops had to switch between net direct & local to pass the DD.

andrew110

May 18, 2010

whatchel1 said:
That's only for OTA. They would have to decode & re-encode and why would they spend the $$ to do it.

Because we pay up the ass for their service lol

Joe99

May 18, 2010

andrew110 said:
I'm about to get a 211k but I don't have the HD package, can I get Dolby Digital 5.1 from standard definition programming?

If you get your locals from Dish, you will get both the SD and HD versions. This is so even though you do not have an HD package. The HD locals will have DD5.1 for the most part. My SD locals do not have DD5.1.

Also, I believe that the 211K also has an OTA tuner over which you can get your HD locals with DD5.1

If you have Showtime, you will also get the HD versions which sometimes have DD5.1 and sometimes they will not.

At one time Dish had a monthly HD enabling fee if you had an HD receiver, but did not have an HD package. Worth asking Dish about.

andrew110

May 18, 2010

Joe99 said:
If you get your locals from Dish, you will get both the SD and HD versions. This is so even though you do not have an HD package. The HD locals will have DD5.1 for the most part. My SD locals do not have DD5.1.

Also, I believe that the 211K also has an OTA tuner over which you can get your HD locals with DD5.1

If you have Showtime, you will also get the HD versions which sometimes have DD5.1 and sometimes they will not.

At one time Dish had a monthly HD enabling fee if you had an HD receiver, but did not have an HD package. Worth asking Dish about.

Thanks for that helpful post. Didn't know you got HD locals without the HD package. I'll have to put up an eastern arc dish

I'm pretty sure they got rid of that fee when eastern arc went up because all of the mpeg4 receivers are HD and you don't have to have HD to be on eastern arc but you have to have an mpeg 4 receiver.

xyz38

May 18, 2010

whatchel1 said:
I can tell you what the problem is w/ NBC station. I was until recently an eng at an NBC station. The whole net got new audio encoders and not that long ago had to be reset by hand. I had to do that in an over night session to keep from getting too many complaints. Their system may strip off the encoding w/o ther even knowing it or maybe can't pass it at all. CBS even though I worked at one of their stations a couple of yrs ago and CBS can switch their audio remotely the station may not be able to pass the info thru their system. At the CBS station ops had to switch between net direct & local to pass the DD.

When I had cable, I had two CBS channels and only one of them had a problem. I thought that it was a cable problem.

When I got Dish, I only got one CBS channel and it is the bad one.

When e-mailed their engineer, they replied that they do not have a problem but I know that they do.

When I compared the sound with the same programs on cable, David Letterman for example, one had surround sound and the other did not, even though it showed DD on my receiver display.

navychop

May 18, 2010

I've never heard of SD with 5.1. NTSC doesn't really account for 5.1, now does it? [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multichannel_television_sound"]Multichannel television sound - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] There are programs on HD channels that are really SD, and they could add 5.1 to that. And receivers are notorious for incorrect reporting of audio signals, IMHO. And I have 2 Onkyos that I am quite happy with. I suppose satcos and cablecos could be adding 5.1 to SD channels, since they have such control over the bandwidth. I just can't imagine why they would do so. Or SD providers going to the trouble of providing the extra audio.

I personally find far too little 5.1 from any networks. My 801 sometimes expands to 5.1 or even 7.1, but it's not the same.

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reubenray

Last reply Today at 10:36 AM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Laptop Shutting Off When On Battery?

Lately my eight year old Dell laptop has been shutting off even when I have a full battery. I have had to keep it plugged up all the time to keep this from happening. Any idea what is causing this? I replaced the battery about three years ago.

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arlo

Today at 10:09 AM

A recalibration might be needed. Even if it shows full, the individual cells may have become unbalaced. And the BMS chip in the battery reports false information to the pc.
Try this. Start it up in the bios/uefi and leave it there until the battery dies and it shuts off.
It might just keep running longer than in Windows. Or run for a short while and shut off.
If it's the first case. Probably just needs a balancing. If the latter, the pack might just be dead.
Not throwing stones but perhaps just a cheaply constructed battery with substandard cells. Could be.

Patience. Keep restarting it in bios/uefi until it won't fire up anymore.
Then plug the charger in and let it complete a full charge. And see what happens. If it's better.
Do the same thing one more time. Run it until it dies dead-dead. Then just let it charge, pc shut off.
When charged, it might be better. It might not be.

There are bench jigs that read the actual BMS and override it to let a tech manually monitor and charge the separate packs. They can also reset any "time bombs" in it that cause an otherwise good pack to show bad.
Maybe Santa will be good to me some year.

You might just need a new battery. Maybe the PC power management chip is going. A Dell common thing.
Leaving a laptop plugged in with a full battery is known to reduce the life. Asus for one recommends that you don't leave the charger plugged in all of the time even when shut down. And setting Windows to charge the battery to 85% instead of 100% increases life.
That's all I got.

dishstaller

Today at 10:36 AM

arlo said:
That's all I got.

That was quite enough....I definitely learned something from your post. Thanks

TRG

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Last reply Today at 10:27 AM · posted in Computers and Gadgets

Starlink Router question

I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

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b4pjoe

Saturday at 2:12 PM

TRG said:
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

If you can't get into the router to reserve an IP address just don't use DHCP on the device that needs connected and assign it to a specific IP address in the network settings.

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HipKat

Saturday at 11:07 PM

TRG said:
I set up a music server for my brother a few years ago. It's basically a small headless computer but it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

They are not. Your best bet is to set up a third-party router, attached to the Starlink for your server, that you can get into, like a Linksys, etc

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Foxbat

Sunday at 12:44 AM

TRG said:
…it needs to have a DHCP IP address reserved for it in the router settings. This was easy to do in his DSL router. He's switching to Starlink now and I was wondering if these setting are easily accessible in the Starlink router. I'm pretty sure he will be getting the latest V5 router.

The Starlink V5 Install Kit I just got comes with the Mini Router. It is pretty limited in what it can do. For example, it can provide only one IP subnet at a time, no Guest Network, but it does support the pass-thru to a third-party Router. You can also split the Wi-Fi into separate 5 GHz & 2.4 GHz SSIDs to help some IoT devices that don't support 5 GHz bands to work.

The larger Starlink Router that still comes with the V4 Kit does support a Guest Network with separate IPv4 Subnet, but it's $120 from Starlink. And it still won't do DHCP Reservations.

harshness

Sunday at 11:46 AM

If you can restrict the DHCP address space to assign addresses to one end of the subnet (i.e. x.x.x.50+), you can manually assign the IP address on pretty much any operating system. This is a default behavior on several popular routers. As the Router Mini only supports 235 devices, I expect that's already done.

Another option is to use a router that supports PoE to power the antenna. This article discusses that option (under PoE Power heading):

Starlink V5 Is Here: What RVers Need to Know

Overview of the new Starlink V5 model along with comparison to the previous V4 model along with a recommended setup for mobile internet users.

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Foxbat

Today at 10:27 AM

Now that I've had the v5 kit with the Mini Router, it's not as bad as I first thought. Yes, no DHCP reservations, but you can set up multiple SSIDs that have separate IPv4 subnets, and like the big brother, you can select from 192.168.x.0/24 or 10.x.0.0/16 (where "x" is 1-4).

You can also split a subnet and have different SSIDs for the 5 GHz and 2.4 GHz channels to handle some IoT devices. I haven't discovered what subnet the 2nd NIC on the router assigns, I'm guessing it's the first subnet.

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I think we could all use a laugh - Rodney Dangerfield on Carson

Good...simple humor. Enjoy

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Jimbo

Today at 12:37 AM

Not Rodney, but a laugh ...

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dishstaller

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Sorry for posting the wrong link. Just corrected it.

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Last reply Today at 10:17 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

At least 64 dead in Spanish passenger train collision

Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 11:24 AM

dishstaller said:
Terrible tragedy. You would think that they would have safe guards in place that would prevent something like this from happening. I guess if you are going to ride in a passenger train it might be best to get a car near the rear.

At Least 64 Dead After Two High-Speed Trains Collide In Spain | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

They will have to look at the switching sections to determine WHY 2 trains were on the same track ... at the same time.

dishstaller

Today at 10:17 AM

Thought this article might be of interest to some of you who might travel via train.

The safest seat to sit on in a train

Safety experts have shared top tips on train safety after a fatal railway crash in Spain killed 69 people, including where the safest place is in an emergency.

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