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AcWxRadar

Last reply Oct 19, 2010 · posted in FTA Receiver / Equipment Support

Premium vs Premium +

I received my AZBox Premium + yesterday, just as I was preparing to leave for work. I arrived back home this morning about 4:45 am. I just had to play with this new toy.

The first thing I observed is that my signal quality across the board increased approximately 10% minimum. I checked the quality on several satellites and TPs the other day when it was just a gorgeously clear and calm day using the original Premium model. This morning, it was overcast and spitting light rain with a little breeze and every satellite showed a substantial signal quality improvement.

I did run into a snag with setting up the internet access via the WiFi. The problem was two fold from my own mistakes.

First, I simply set the new Premium + on top of the old Premium box in the entertainment center. When I tried to connect via WiFi, it had a horrible time. Many failures to connect and slow connection speed results. I removed the old box from under the new and that cured that problem.

The second problem was again my error. I couldn't get MaZEdit or Filezilla to connect to the box, even after the box was confirmed to be connected to the net. Silly me, I forgot that I have two routers running and when I rebooted my PC, it connected automatically to the router that I don't have set up for this purpose. Once I switched the router connection, all was fine.

Why two routers you ask? Well, that was a troubleshooting excerise. It's an involved story with my system and Wild Blue. Seems that I am somehow being assigned two IP addresses simultaneously, from time to time and it is screwing with my connection. This ordeal is another story in itself, but that is why I have two routers. Originally, I thought that my first router was failing, so I bought another one, different brand and make to test. The problem is not the router. I suspect something with WildBlue's service, but cannot confirm it as the problem has since gone away. I just happen to have left both routers in service.

Enough of that mumbo jumbo.

Obviously, the very first thing that I wanted to test is the BLIND SCAN capabilities of the Premium Plus. It does work and it seems to function exceptionally well in most cases. When it came to blind scanning 83.0°W for the RTV and TUFF TV TP, it failed as others have claimed. It simply would not find that TP and the channels.

During the scan process, it appeared to hesitate near the TP frequency of 11.735, but it didn't pick it up. I tried all sorts of strategies to make it easier to pick up that TP, but it just wouldn't find it.

I finally gave up trying to BLIND scan this TP and manually entered it. It pulled it in right away then. And with about 83-86% quality. This was also with a much higher quality level than I detected with the original Premium, about 15 or more percent better. I am pleased with this result, but I still cannot explain why it won't pick it up during a BLIND scan.

When it came to BLIND scanning for Approximately 8 to 18 minutesthe FEED channels, it apeared to be excellent and quick. The default search range was between 11.700 and 12.900. I adjusted this to 11.700 - 12.200 and I found all sorts of FEEDS on various satellites.

I will post more of my findings here soon, but I am running short of time for now.

RADAR

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AcWxRadar

May 21, 2010

Thus far, I am pleased with the BLIND SCAN capabilities of the Premium PLUS.

Although I cannot get it to blind scan the RTV TP (11735 MHz H / 4444 SR on AMC 9 @ 83.0°W), and that leaves me with some doubt as to its overall accuracy, it seems to work quite well.

It is required that you have the NETWORK SEARCH set to NORMAL and not NIT (it prompts you if this is the case). I also adjust the upper TP limit from 12900 to 12200 to speed things up.

It appears that the BLIND SCAN time is approximately 15 minutes per satellite, which is dependant upon what you set the step size to. The 15 minutes is with the default 5000 KHz step size (ie 11770 - 11775 - 11780 - 11785). Therefore, it is not a speed demon, but it isn't extremely slow either.

I notice that even though it detects and logs the TPs, it may not always scan in all the channels. For instance on 111.1°W Anik E2R F2, It did not log any channels during the Blind Scan. However, if I went to SATELLITE SCAN or TP SCAN following the BLIND SCAN, it logged in several channels that were not there previously.

One thing that I wish they could have set up is a display - a running list - of the TPs found rather than displaying them across the bottom of the window for a moment as they are detected. Similar to the display when it logs the channels scanned in. This would be really sweet, but not necessary. It does display the total number of TPs found and how many of them were actually NEW.

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pro96

May 24, 2010

Well with that, I got myself one again but this time its the Premium Plus. Got it for a great price too.. $257.60 + $8.00 shipping
Boy now I got too many DVB-S2 toys

B.J.

May 24, 2010

AcWxRadar said:
Thus far, I am pleased with the BLIND SCAN capabilities of the Premium PLUS.

Although I cannot get it to blind scan the RTV TP (11735 MHz H / 4444 SR on AMC 9 @ 83.0°W), and that leaves me with some doubt as to its overall accuracy, it seems to work quite well.

How did it do on other sats where there are multiple narrow transponders near each other, such as AMC-21 with the 3 4444 SR channels, or on sats with several of those 3978 SR news feeds near each other? Seems like the likely issue with the11735 signal is the combination of step size and the other nearby narrow signals.

AcWxRadar said:
It is required that you have the NETWORK SEARCH set to NORMAL and not NIT (it prompts you if this is the case).

This interest me because I'm curious why there should be more than one flavor of a NETWORK search. I thought that a NETWORK search ALWAYS used the NIT to identify other transponders that had channels in the network, but perhaps that's wrong. Only other place I can think of where a receiver could find network info might be from the SDT, which often contains info on channels on other transponders and on other satellites.
I've often been curious just how this type search works, as the content of these NIT and SDT streams seem so variable from one network to another, that it's amazing that a generic receiver would ever get it right, but I've seen it work at times when I accidently hit network search on some receivers.
Anyway, do you have any idea what the difference between normal and NIT is?

AcWxRadar said:
I notice that even though it detects and logs the TPs, it may not always scan in all the channels. For instance on 111.1°W Anik E2R F2, It did not log any channels during the Blind Scan. However, if I went to SATELLITE SCAN or TP SCAN following the BLIND SCAN, it logged in several channels that were not there previously.

This is interesting because with most blind scan receivers, it does a satellite scan after doing the search for new transponders. This makes me think that perhaps it only does the scan on the newly found transponders, and perhaps you already had the transponders it missed in the transponder list. I'm guessing that they wanted to speed up blind scan by not wasting time scanning transponders already in memory?

AcWxRadar

May 24, 2010

B.J. said:
How did it do on other sats where there are multiple narrow transponders near each other, such as AMC-21 with the 3 4444 SR channels, or on sats with several of those 3978 SR news feeds near each other? Seems like the likely issue with the11735 signal is the combination of step size and the other nearby narrow signals.

Out of curiousity with this, I deleted all but one TP (one that wasn't active at the time) from AMC 21 and blind scanned it. It found all the TPs with the 4444 SR just fine, but for some reason, it didn't pick up the 12140 V SR 30000 TP. That is the HDTV PBS TP.

B.J. said:
This interest me because I'm curious why there should be more than one flavor of a NETWORK search. I thought that a NETWORK search ALWAYS used the NIT to identify other transponders that had channels in the network, but perhaps that's wrong. Only other place I can think of where a receiver could find network info might be from the SDT, which often contains info on channels on other transponders and on other satellites.
I've often been curious just how this type search works, as the content of these NIT and SDT streams seem so variable from one network to another, that it's amazing that a generic receiver would ever get it right, but I've seen it work at times when I accidently hit network search on some receivers.
Anyway, do you have any idea what the difference between normal and NIT is?

I don't think here that there are different flavors of the NETWORK SEARCH in this case. I think that they used a slightly incorrect terminology here. It should probably be stated as NIT SEARCH.... ON/OFF.

The way I understand NIT search is that there is a table (the Network Information Table or NIT) available on one of the providers TPs and if you scan that one particular TP, the receiver loads that table into memory. The table contains the entire list of all the other sats and TPs and channels available from that one provider.

I have never seen this NIT search actually function with any receiver I have ever owned.

B.J. said:
This is interesting because with most blind scan receivers, it does a satellite scan after doing the search for new transponders. This makes me think that perhaps it only does the scan on the newly found transponders, and perhaps you already had the transponders it missed in the transponder list. I'm guessing that they wanted to speed up blind scan by not wasting time scanning transponders already in memory?

The AZBox Premium PLUS appears to do just that, perform a SAT scan for channels after the blind scan is completed. But, there may be a glitch as in the case that I cited with 111.1°W, the sat scan went extremely fast, too fast to seriously have been scanning all the TPs found during the BLIND SCAN and then it was all done and over with.

I knew that it should have found at least one channel, the Shoppers Drug Mart. I went back and selected SAT scan and it found the three LEARN channels on TP 11770, but it didn't find the Shoppers Drug Mart. So I rescanned again selecting scan for all channels (encrypted channels included). It then found the Shoppers Drug Mart. It labeled it as being encrypted, although it is not.

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B.J.

May 25, 2010

AcWxRadar said:
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I don't think here that there are different flavors of the NETWORK SEARCH in this case. I think that they used a slightly incorrect terminology here. It should probably be stated as NIT SEARCH.... ON/OFF.

The way I understand NIT search is that there is a table (the Network Information Table or NIT) available on one of the providers TPs and if you scan that one particular TP, the receiver loads that table into memory. The table contains the entire list of all the other sats and TPs and channels available from that one provider.

I have never seen this NIT search actually function with any receiver I have ever owned.

I *THINK* I've seen it function a couple times. I can't remember which sats, but I think once on the then G25 (G19) sat with those Globecast things (I may be wrong about that), and once on either a DN or Nimiq sat when I was trying to scan in a channel that happened to be FTA. In both cases, I was trying to just scan in one channel on one transponder, but accidently hit network search, ane it started scanning all the transponders in the network. I can't remember if it created new transponders or if I already had the transponders entered into the receiver.

The thing that amazes me about the function is that while the NIT has some standardization, always on PID#16, and there seem to be a few standard entries, it seems like different services have significant differences with respect to what they put into the NIT, and there doesn't seem to be enough standardization to allow a consumer receiver to know what to do with the info. DN, for example, has a list of EVERY DN sat, and every transponder on each of those sats. I wasn't sure how it figured out which sat the receiver is currently tuning, but I just looked at a DN NIT, and it seems to have a "Current Network: TRUE" parameter on all the transponders on the current sat, and not on any transponders listed for other sats. So I guess receivers must look for entries that have this parameter set as true, and then go to scan those transponders. I'm not sure what receivers would do if the transponder isn't already in the list, and/or if the listed freq is different, etc, plus the NIT generally doesn't completely specify the modulation mode, often giving a list of possible modes. I'm also not sure what it would do when it sees a dozen different spot beams with the same freq.
It's not important to me, since I never intentionally use the network search, but I'm just curious about how it works. I may go to one of those DN sats where I've deleted some or all of the transponders, and see what it actually does, ie whether it creates new transponders when they're missing, and what it does if the freq or SR is different from what's in the receiver.
Another interesting oddity. Many receivers pop up the name of the sat you're on, if it happens to be listed in the NIT of the transponder you're tuned to. The interesting thing about the DN sat I just tuned to is that some of the NIT transponder entries list the sat name, others don't. It seems to pick up the sat name, even if the sat name isn't listed under the NIT entry for the transponder you're tuned to, so it must search through all the entries looking for the sat name. The DN NIT has 576 entries, and there are sat name entries on about a only a fraction of the entries, but it's listed for all of the sats. So it must search for sat names in an entry that has the Current Network=true parameter set.
Anyway, it's interesting how it works, particularly because MOST sat transponders don't even have an NIT PID, and most that do, don't have correct info in them. So I'm guessing that network search would only work on a very few networks that keep useful info in the NIT.

jkyates

May 25, 2010

pro96 said:
Well with that, I got myself one again but this time its the Premium Plus. Got it for a great price too.. $257.60 + $8.00 shipping
Boy now I got too many DVB-S2 toys

:upWhere did you purchase it? I will be replacing my pansat 9000 hd.

AcWxRadar

May 26, 2010

jkyates said:
:upWhere did you purchase it? I will be replacing my pansat 9000 hd.

Jkyates,

Check Pro96's thread here: http://www.satelliteguys.us/azbox-discussion/214258-well-i-am-back-az-wagon.html

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nycrich

May 26, 2010

You guys convinced me. I purchased an AZBOX Premium Plus HD today from AZBOXUSA, which is a 30 min drive from home to Miami. I was surprised to find 3 dealers on the same block selling AZBOX models.
They are made in Portugal by Opensat, assembled in Korea. They also sell a lot of AZBOX stuff on Ebay
(+16000 positive feedback ). I understand that the original company Opensat from the magazine article set up a office/sales room here in Miami, FL (as per Telesat article) and decided to buy from them, since it would be easier to drive over should I have any issues. Good friendly service.
Will see how the box works out. Priced at $380+taxes

bionic

Oct 19, 2010

address of the AZBOXUSA at Miami

nycrich, could you please inform the address of the AZBOXUSA at Miami? Thanks in advance. Bionic.

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Green Star Discovery: How a White Dwarf Could Turn Green

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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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The two instances of "The" should have been highlighted.

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Troy Aikman seems to confirm he'll be leaving ESPN

Aikman says he looks forward to "where my next landing spot will be."

www.nbcsports.com

Hopefully nowhere near a microphone.

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Site is slooooow

For some reason, the satelliteguys.us site is loading a lot slower than usual on both Chrome on my Asus laptop and Safari on my iPhone.
I'm also seeing longer appearances of the blue bar at the top and the "3 blue bars" loading symbol.
Is anyone else also having the same problem? Thanks in advance.

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Scott Greczkowski

Saturday at 3:01 PM

Was down due to an emergency update at the ISP. They did email me seconds before they took it down and apologized for the short notice.

However once the server was back online NGINX failed to start.

I was at the grocery store and just rebooted the entire server and everything came back up again.

Just got home from the grocery store I will bring in the groceries and then take a look at what NGINX failed the first time.

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Saturday at 3:04 PM

Scott Greczkowski said:
Was down due to an emergency update at the ISP. They did email me seconds before they took it down and apologized for the short notice.

However once the server was back online NGINX failed to start.

I was at the grocery store and just rebooted the entire server and everything came back up again.

Just got home from the grocery store I will bring in the groceries and then take a look at what NGINX failed the first time.

NGINX
The site uses Nugenix?!

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Saturday at 3:21 PM

Ok checked it out and for some reason the web server (NGINX) tried starting before the DNS resolver fully loaded. This is why it worked when I rebooted the machine.

Thanks to ChatGPT it had me change the NGINX config to prevent this from happening again.

With that said I can't prevent the ISP from doing emergency upgrades which was the cause of all of this.

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Nature will develop better idiots.

God help us.

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They ought to have fun with this… :devilish

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They ought to have fun with this…

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Last reply Today at 9:57 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

DISH Hopper 3 Software Version 713 Is Out

No idea what improvements might be involved.

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Saturday at 3:17 PM

Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

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naptime

Yesterday at 1:05 AM

I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

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reubenray

Yesterday at 6:14 AM

bookworm370 said:
Has anyone noticed an FF stutter with 713? I used to be able to hit FF a few times and skip smoothly. After 713 (maybe 712), when I skip forward, there is a definite stutter for as many times as I have pressed FF.

Can anyone check on this and report back? Recorded programs and then press skip forward a few times to see if it's smooth? Normally, it just jumps to the right place after the skips.

My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning. She hit FF and it went to 15x FF.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 1:01 PM

reubenray said:
My wife mentioned that her remote is acting strange this morning.

Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

https://www.amazon.com/Have-Tried-Turning-Again-T-Shirt/dp/B07G1ZV9W9/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3NNRAEED195WV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.86TxUTPcw48CRYlDcLntwpMxbPDBfjiLu4wMZGX3VN6ajG_cFCuoDBJT7pS9CW2mjThKlke5Z6dlXH8bJKkQF4s892wGVU1ca_00S0BQz6F15V30_4szIdWeycvw3_zoVtsULQASM8bGcgvsKms930xApC43y_-YBVN0Q8Xsf_csSqXcmhWpresARdXHfx2VazllrXI8asduvrbnk9S3CGnzjqnVTkjzFSpSQLdQKA6Dx_7UfbQIBBJsqAmQwwtDGqM0YKVIkjV4ARgVJvJ69vLPhxV0m8pkJQd_2w_QX_A.-jSy9OqrqWdxPBsgZGia1hHMbvDAKxxhRn9kK1EBdCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=have%2Byou%2Btried%2Bturning%2Bit%2Boff%2Band%2Bon%2Bagain&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1792342839&sprefix=have%2Byou%2Btried%2B%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-11&customId=B0752XJYNL&customizationToken=MC_Assembly_1%23B0752XJYNL&th=1&psc=1

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cpdretired

Yesterday at 6:58 PM

dishstaller said:
Had a customer call recently saying their remote was really acting up, some buttons no longer functioned. Told them to reboot the Hopper....problem fixed.
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

https://www.amazon.com/Have-Tried-Turning-Again-T-Shirt/dp/B07G1ZV9W9/ref=sr_1_11?crid=3NNRAEED195WV&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.86TxUTPcw48CRYlDcLntwpMxbPDBfjiLu4wMZGX3VN6ajG_cFCuoDBJT7pS9CW2mjThKlke5Z6dlXH8bJKkQF4s892wGVU1ca_00S0BQz6F15V30_4szIdWeycvw3_zoVtsULQASM8bGcgvsKms930xApC43y_-YBVN0Q8Xsf_csSqXcmhWpresARdXHfx2VazllrXI8asduvrbnk9S3CGnzjqnVTkjzFSpSQLdQKA6Dx_7UfbQIBBJsqAmQwwtDGqM0YKVIkjV4ARgVJvJ69vLPhxV0m8pkJQd_2w_QX_A.-jSy9OqrqWdxPBsgZGia1hHMbvDAKxxhRn9kK1EBdCc&dib_tag=se&keywords=have%2Byou%2Btried%2Bturning%2Bit%2Boff%2Band%2Bon%2Bagain&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1792342839&sprefix=have%2Byou%2Btried%2B%2Caps%2C265&sr=8-11&customId=B0752XJYNL&customizationToken=MC_Assembly_1%23B0752XJYNL&th=1&psc=1

Works every time. My wife needs one.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 7:14 PM

dishstaller said:
Wife bought me a t-shirt that has "have you tried turning it off and on again?"

Here's the one I need:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:15 PM

Foxbat said:
Here's the one I need:

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Just ordered one....that's great.

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jsmit86

Today at 9:57 AM

naptime said:
I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.

It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.

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Former member 208119

Last reply Today at 9:52 AM · posted in SiriusXM Satellite Radio

SXM still giving discounts

My year was almost up and we got the new bill for a year of service for $ 360.00 insane sat radio is becoming like cable!!! i logged into my acct and hopped onto chat and told the rep that i wanted to cancel. she understood my concern and went quiet for a few minutes. i figured that she was canceling my service. she comes back and said that she seen that i have been a sub since 07 and then offers me the same package for a year for 120.00 with taxes and fee's!!! i grabbed it. after almost having a stroke :biggrin

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Foxbat

May 21, 2026

Well, that was a waste of effort. Our new Cadillac comes with a three-month free trial. Good that it's free, bad that I'll have to go through the Cancellation Dance all over again…

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N6BY

Sep 22, 2026

Foxbat said:
Well, that was a waste of effort. Our new Cadillac comes with a three-month free trial. Good that it's free, bad that I'll have to go through the Cancellation Dance all over again…

I just bought a Ram 1500 truck with a 3 month free trial. What to do when it ends?

All I want is music and news, but it is listed for $11.99 + $5.00 more for news. But $16.99 per month isn't worth it to me.

comfortably_numb

Sep 22, 2026

N6BY said:
What to do when it ends?

Ask for the "All Access Plan" for $5/month.

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harshness

Sep 23, 2026

comfortably_numb said:
Ask for the "All Access Plan" for $5/month.

Since the agents are now AI, you keep refusing the offer until you can justify the cost.

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Bruno

Oct 4, 2026

What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $4.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.

Jimbo

Oct 4, 2026

Bruno said:
What i noticed with my last renewal XM is now billing me $.99 monthly instead of one time yearly payment.

Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.

Jimbo

Oct 7, 2026

harshness said:
Since the agents are now AI, you keep refusing the offer until you can justify the cost.

Not entirely true ...
If you ask for a Human, you'll get one ...
You will definitely know when you do.

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slow_poke_pete

Oct 10, 2026

Jimbo said:
Not entirely true ...
If you ask for a Human, you'll get one ...
You will definitely know when you do.

Don't you mean phone sex operators :biggrin

Jimbo

Oct 10, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
Don't you mean phone sex operators

Is That why you keep SXM ??? :biggrin

Bruno

Yesterday at 11:16 AM

Jimbo said:
Did you accidentally get on the wrong plan ?
I still do the once a year plans.

I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!

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TRG

Yesterday at 11:55 AM

Bruno said:
I have to think maybe more people dont keep track of the monthly XM bill. Every time i renew i put a reminder on my calendar week before its time to renew. My wife told me the other day not to renew her and then i told her you are not going to be able to listen to XM at home. Then she changed her mind...!!

I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.

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Bruno

Yesterday at 12:08 PM

TRG said:
I get an e-mail every month reminding me that X amount will be charged to my credit card. If I see it go up I get on chat or pick up the phone. But I also remember that my year is up in December.

yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.

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Jimbo

Yesterday at 5:08 PM

Bruno said:
yea i don't understand WHY, like you I get a notice each month. Mine is also up in December.

You get an email every month to let you know they are billing you for the next month.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 11:14 PM

Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango

The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.

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Jimbo

Today at 7:56 AM

Foxbat said:
Mrs. Foxbat reminded me it's that time of the year to do the Cancel Tango

The A.I. agent appears to be better than in the past. It got to the acceptable price quicker than previous years, no human operator involved. $5/mo and I still have over $50 in SiriusXM credit from my FordPartner benefits.

I forgot you can pay that with Ford Pass points, I won't be due again till Feb, but I'll have to remember to try it ... Not sure what needs to be done, but I do have a substantial amount of points currently.

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slow_poke_pete

Today at 9:52 AM

Jimbo said:
Is That why you keep SXM ???

when i say cancel. they give the moon and stars!!! iv'e gotten free radios and a free month once since it was my bday

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osu1991

Pub Member / Supporter

Last reply Today at 9:47 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

EV News

America’s Fastest-Growing EV State Isn’t California—Not by a Long Shot

New data shows electric vehicle adoption is increasingly driven by state policies, electricity prices and charging access—not federal incentives

www.autoweek.com

The number-one US state for EV growth, according to the June 22 Yardi report?
Oklahoma.

:eek

It has no ZEV mandates and "minimal" incentives, Yardi says, but also has cheap electricity, high multi-car household rates (so, for example, a non-Lightning Ford F-150 pulls their trailers), and a consumer base willing to switch.

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meStevo

Sep 26, 2026

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bsky.app

Never realized that Tesla is losing to BYD at manufacturing too, which IMO is Tesla's biggest accomplishment and area of innovation. Nice writeup about the state of play and how we got here though. I have no faith that we're moving any productive direction though sadly, most changes and efforts feel reactionary rather than rooted in making use of the time being bought by tariffs, with few exceptions.

So: how are the cars so cheap, and what is being cut to get there? The best public accounting comes from the Rhodium Group, which compared BYD, Geely, and Leapmotor against Tesla's Chinese operation, a fair comparison because it removes labor costs and shipping from the equation entirely. Their estimate is that BYD builds a car for about $4,700 less than Tesla builds a Model 3 in Shanghai, roughly 15 percent of the Model 3's price. The breakdown is the interesting part. Direct government grants account for about $292 per vehicle, which is 5 percent of the gap. The biggest single factor is vertical integration: BYD makes about 80 percent of its top-tier components in-house, against 37 percent for Tesla, and that eliminates roughly $2,369 per vehicle in supplier markups. Lower overhead, meaning cheaper engineering talent and administrative cost spread across enormous volume, accounts for another $1,719. And BYD pays its suppliers on 155-day terms, against Tesla's 60, which is worth about $214 per car in float. When people say the Chinese advantage is subsidies, the per-vehicle number says otherwise. When people say it is slave wages, the Tesla Shanghai comparison says otherwise too. The advantage is mostly that BYD decided, twenty years ago, to make its own batteries, its own motors, its own power electronics, and its own semiconductors, and Western automakers decided the opposite.

harshness

Sep 27, 2026

The EV company to watch out for is SAIC. They seem likely to take over Government Motors at some point.

GM originally struck a JV deal with SAIC to gain access to China. Now SAIC has taken China back with the substantial library of technology GM shared and they're looking to export to Mexico, South America, the Middle East, and Asia-Pacific.

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osu1991

Oct 9, 2026

View: https://youtu.be/AzErJdWUDTE?si=sdAjeOen3sKm8DV9

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osu1991

Yesterday at 8:46 PM

US EV sales are rising again. Here’s why the recovery is set to last.

Even though sales tanked last year after the end of federal incentives, the American EV sector is on the mend as drivers face sky-high gasoline prices.

www.canarymedia.com

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harshness

Today at 9:47 AM

If it weren't for the sky-high electricity prices...

Of course, the real scare with Winter coming is the insane cost of heating oil.

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dfergie

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!

Last reply Today at 9:34 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Gas Price Info With National Gas Temperature Map

Stumbled across this ... http://www.gaspricewatch.com/USGas_ZipSearch.asp
I found no local prices, although it did show stations at my location...
Added these to this post...
USA National Gas Temperature Map
State By State Gasoline Taxes
Gas Buddy

Ethanol Free Stations

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Bobby

Yesterday at 10:27 AM

Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399
Diesel$7.999
at Costco, Rohnert Park.

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 12:32 PM

Bobby said:
Regular$5.999
Premium$6.399

Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

Last night it was about $4.17 gas, $6,19 diesel.

harshness

Yesterday at 2:04 PM

dishstaller said:
Odd that out there, Prem is only 40 cents higher. Here it's a full dollar more.

On the West Coast, a 40-cent differential is common. It used to be 30 cents before the prices rose above $3.

A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic), which is a whole different discussion.

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Foxbat

Yesterday at 9:43 PM

Here in Indiana, the difference between Regular and Premium is usually a dollar, but some charge even more:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:06 PM

harshness said:
A "full dollar more" sounds like it may be boat gas (non-alcoholic),

Both non-ethanol and prem run about the same....buck more. When we were up in TN it was a buck more up there as well.

harshness

Today at 9:34 AM

In Oregon, our premium boat gas is about a dollar more than our corn premium. Several stations only offer the non-corn premium grade.

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Today at 9:12 AM · posted in TWiT Tech Podcast Network

Club TWiT: Media Club #3 - Best of Adult Animation: Futurama, Rick and Morty, and Simpsons Classics

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