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Last reply Oct 8, 2010 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Dolby Digital from Dish receiver

I've looked in some of the postings, and never found an answer for the following:

In my vip211 manual, it says that Dolby digital is available by using the optical output. It doesn't mention whether the HDMI output contains the Dolby digital signal or not.

The sound system that I presently have only has one optical input (built before HDMI), but no HDMI input/outputs.

I presently have a DVD player connected to the optical input on the sound system.

I'd like to be able to have Dolby sound from my Dish receiver, but as it is now I'd literally have to patch one component or the other to the one available optical input.
I'm trying to determine whether to upgrade my sound system, or to try and find an optical switch of some sort (which cost would probably be a significant portion towards a new system) that I could use with my present equipment. There is probably some sort of manual switch available to do that, but that's not much better than manual patching.

Before I make up my mind, I'd like to know if HDMI outputs from sources (like the Dish receivers) actually contain the Dolby audio, or do they only provide 2-channel digital sound?

I see that many new surround-sound systems have multiple HDMI ports, so I'm assuming that at least some components provide Dolby digital via HDMI, but does the Dish equipment?

If so, I wish that they would have said so in the manual!

Thanks!

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KAB

Oct 8, 2010

The research is on you. I've done it. Try Googling HDTV 5.1 through optical out. It's a well know fact due to DRM.

SaltiDawg

Oct 8, 2010

KAB said:
The research is on you. I've done it. Try Googling HDTV 5.1 through optical out. It's a well know fact due to DRM.

I hope he will post his TV's model number.

As I said earlier, I do not know the reason that most, if not all, TV's do not pass 5.1 optical out when the source is not OTA, but I do not believe it has anything to do with DRM.

Take our Dish receivers. They are capable of sending 5.1 sound out via optical connection with no limitations. That sound, I assume, is identical to the sound that would come from the TV's optical connection if the TV was designed to pass the sound no matter what the source.

joegr

Oct 8, 2010

SaltiDawg said:
I hope he will post his TV's model number.

As I said earlier, I do not know the reason that most, if not all, TV's do not pass 5.1 optical out when the source is not OTA, but I do not believe it has anything to do with DRM.

Take our Dish receivers. They are capable of sending 5.1 sound out via optical connection with no limitations. That sound, I assume, is identical to the sound that would come from the TV's optical connection if the TV was designed to pass the sound no matter what the source.

It is. I have the digital logic analyzer to prove it. It's the same stream.
So far, the LG TVs that I tried all honor the sound flag and pass the 5.1 out.

SaltiDawg

Oct 8, 2010

joegr said:
It is. I have the digital logic analyzer to prove it. It's the same stream.
So far, the LG TVs that I tried all honor the sound flag and pass the 5.1 out.

There are numerous threads out there that report that many LG Models do not pass DD unless the siurce is OTA.

Are you going to post your LG set model number?

If not, to continue this thread is a waste of time because all you are doing is saying something is happening that does not agree with the collective expereince and knowledge of a large group of people.

mountain

Oct 8, 2010

I have one vip 722 and two vip 622 just installed. The installer told me that the HDMI cable is all that is needed to run DD as he ran the optic cable from Sony HD to the Denon
He was under the impression that the Sony would pass the DD to the optic cable. The DD light never came on until I removed the optic cable from the tv and ran it to the 722.
I now have hdmi to the TV and optic cable running from the 722 to the Denon and all it working. This is the way I had to run it from Directv also. My Sony HD(40") tv does not seem to pass DD(optic) out of the TV either.
I just changed it today as it wasn't sounding right either. My install was done three days ago.
I also had the exact same problem with the 622. That Sony HD(60") tv didn't pass the DD either but was wired assuming it would by the installer. That TV is also a Sony HD tv.
The installers are assuming the HDMI carrys the signal to the TV and then they pull it out of the TV to the Denon. We discussed as he was wiring and he assured it had to be this way, I changed it after he left to my way and now get the DD light on both Denon 3802 receivers by connecting the Sat receiver optic to the Denon. I run HDMI only from the 622 and 722 to the TV. All sound is handled by the Denon receivers.
Hope this help.

SaltiDawg

Oct 8, 2010

mountain said:
I have one vip 722 and two vip 622 just installed. The installer told me that the HDMI cable is all that is needed to run DD as he ran the optic cable from Sony HD to the Denon
He was under the impression that the Sony would pass the DD to the optic cable. The DD light never came on until I removed the optic cable from the tv and ran it to the 722.
I now have hdmi to the TV and optic cable running from the 722 to the Denon and all it working. This is the way I had to run it from Directv also. My Sony HD(40") tv does not seem to pass DD(optic) out of the TV either.
I just changed it today as it wasn't sounding right either. My install was done three days ago.
I also had the exact same problem with the 622. That Sony HD(60") tv didn't pass the DD either but was wired assuming it would by the installer. That TV is also a Sony HD tv.
The installers are assuming the HDMI carrys the signal to the TV and then they pull it out of the TV to the Denon. We discussed as he was wiring and he assured it had to be this way, I changed it after he left to my way and now get the DD light on both Denon 3802 receivers by connecting the Sat receiver optic to the Denon. I run HDMI only from the 622 and 722 to the TV. All sound is handled by the Denon receivers.
Hope this help.

This is exactly the way it must be done to get the 5.1 DD from dish HD receivers.

joegr

Oct 8, 2010

SaltiDawg said:
There are numerous threads out there that report that many LG Models do not pass DD unless the siurce is OTA.

Are you going to post your LG set model number?

If not, to continue this thread is a waste of time because all you are doing is saying something is happening that does not agree with the collective expereince and knowledge of a large group of people.

Yes, I'll post it tonight.

joegr

Oct 8, 2010

SaltiDawg said:
There are numerous threads out there that report that many LG Models do not pass DD unless the siurce is OTA.

Are you going to post your LG set model number?

If not, to continue this thread is a waste of time because all you are doing is saying something is happening that does not agree with the collective expereince and knowledge of a large group of people.

It's model 42LB1DR.

I also have a cheaper one, 32LD550. That one does not pass the 5.1 out, just stereo.

The 42LB1DR does pass the true 5.1 data stream out, just the same as comes from the optical out on the 722K. I have verified this.

SaltiDawg

Oct 8, 2010

joegr said:
It's model 42LB1DR.

I also have a cheaper one, 32LD550. That one does not pass the 5.1 out, just stereo.

The 42LB1DR does pass the true 5.1 data stream out, just the same as comes from the optical out on the 722K. I have verified this.

Your 42" set has a DVR built in and I suspect that is the justification for the optical out being enabled for 5.1 on other than OTA - just like your Dish Receiver/DVR is enabled.

Your 32" set does not have a DVR and, as you say, it does not output 5.1 on an optical output.

We've certainly wasted a lot of time on this thread.

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