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Corrado
Corrado
Last reply · posted in C-BAND Satellite Discussion

Lost my 410 to a dead battery

I guess my DSR410 won't be my future 4DTV replacement after all for Jan. 1, 2011.

I purchased one from Skyvision back in the Fall of 2007 and used it here and later at my Dad's home. When the C band switch over to W5 happened, the unit went unused until yesterday. I decided to check it out in preparation for the coming months and it seems the infamous battery failed. It just turns on with all the front panel lights and remains on doing the Motorola boot up thing without AV output.

Looking inside, the button battery and board are corroded. Lesson learned. I suppose it would be good for parts or power supply. I WON'T be buying another. Skyvision should have replaced the decade old batteries in those 410s.

Now, I see why TVROPRO went with DirecTV.
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Stories like this remind me why I like PowerVu: no batteries.

I have a 920 boxed up that probably has a dead battery. I'm too chicken to look.
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Corrado
Corrado
I have several models of the 410 I purchased cheap over the years. But those cannot be subscribed without having the unit ID cleared for a fee. I won't be doing that either. If they really want to sell me programming they should be able to use whatever receiver I already own. In that case I'll buy a $4 battery locally and keep my receivers alive.

If the idea of allowing the 4D receivers to utilize the Comcast stream that Mike was talking about on Access America last Friday comes true, no one in their right mind would pay a fee to have those receivers eligible. Why only 410s?
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Dishman Dan
Newbie_McNoob said:
Stories like this remind me why I like PowerVu: no batteries.
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:confused: Huh??? :confused:
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Actually sergei I would blame Skyvision if it was purchased from them, everyone knows about the battery's in DCII equipment and they should swap batteries on all used or refurbished receivers before they retail them.
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sergei
sergei
They probably replaced it but that's not to say that the battery just when bad or the shelf life played a factor into it. It wouldn't be the first time that this has happened and a lot of lithium batteries are only rated to be good for a typical lifespan of two to three years whether it is ever used or not. And I don't know what the 410 battery drain would be compared to my 920's.
But as much as there has been discussions on battery failures you really can't take a chance on putting something away without checking it first and he did have it in storage since 2007 which does put well past the 2 year mark.
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Corrado
Corrado
As long as other people learn from this, that's what important. If you have a doubt...replace it. Mine's been unplugged and stored for almost 2 years. I mapped it for C band and put it away.

I hoped they put in new batteries to protect themselves from flood of consumer complaints and lost profits. In fact, mine looked brand new when I bought it and it has the newer style screws securing the cover. My other GI boxes of the same vintage and unknown origin, have torx style screws. So it would appear that Skyvison or someone had a technician inside.
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eurosport
eurosport
Corrado said:
.....I have several models of the 410 I purchased cheap over the years. But those cannot be subscribed without having the unit ID cleared for a fee. I won't be doing that either...
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I talked to Skyvision a couple months ago, and they will do this for $40.
I paid 17 bucks for my 410, so for $57 altogether for a working, sub-able box is not too bad, considering they are selling them for over twice that much. :D
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Dishman Dan said:
:confused: Huh??? :confused:
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Motorola satellite receivers have a battery that "floats" or keeps alive the Unit ID number. When the battery dies or is removed the receiver's Unit ID number is lost and the receiver can no longer decode scrambled programming.
The reasons they are designed this way are:
1) To reduce piracy and deter people from messing with the insides of the receiver (in theory)
2) To give the product a limited life (when the battery dies they hope you will run out and buy a new receiver)
Even Motorola's commercial satellite receivers have a battery. Heck, even my Motorola digital cable box from Comcast has a battery floating the Unit ID.

Scientific Atlanta/PowerVu receivers, on the other hand, do not have a battery to float the Unit ID. The Unit ID is hard coded onto a chip. Leave the receiver unplugged as long as you want and it will never lose the Unit ID.

Motorola's scheme is nice in theory, if they kept coming out with new models of the 4DTV.
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Scott Greczkowski
Scott Greczkowski
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Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Bruce
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Traditional/Streaming Live TV Providers Losses, 3rd Quarter 2026 Edition

Comcast is the first to report, with a massive 274,000 loss in video subscribers.

In the 3Q of 2016, Comcast had 21.42 million video subscribers and was the #1 provider, now at 10.39 million and is the #3 Provider, YTTV is #2 ( who also surpassed DirecTV-8 Million and Dish-under 5 Million), Charter/Spectrum is #1.

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Comcast Just Lost 274,000 TV Customers & 144,000 Internet Customers In Just Three Months | Cord Cutters News

Comcast Corporation reported its third-quarter 2026 results on October 22, showing continued erosion in its domestic residential broadband internet and video customer bases as competitive pressures intensified across the connectivity market. The company recorded a net loss of 144,000 domestic...
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Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
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ncted
Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?
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ncted said:
Comcast called fiber pricing "irrational" because the ROI is over three years. What is irrational to me is Comcast internet is based on lines they put in the ground decades ago at this point, for the most part. Is copper that much more expensive to maintain?
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yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
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yes. even copper lines in a house degrade over 70 years, I doubt coax would last that long. Fiber Optic on the isp side will last over 70 years with very dedgration
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The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.
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Bruce
Bruce
dishstaller said:
Losing 144,000 internet customers surprises me more.
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They have been losing broadband subscribers for about 4 years now.

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The fiber coming in to the house looks like 300 ohm old TV wire I think that is the weak point.
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I agree, even it fails the isp will come and install another one
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Charter lost 77,000 TV subscribers, the bigger news, it lost 233,000 broadband subscribers.

You would believe both companies would of learned from what happened with their TV services, which was ignore that cord cutting was a thing, allowed competition ( streaming) to get a foothold in the industry.

Now, in today's world, there are more households in the United States without a paid live TV than those with.

Both companies charge too much, delayed upgrades, all because they believed no one would leave them, only game in town, competition started with the 5G services, Fiber soon after, enough said, Cord Cutting 2.0 is here.

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Spectrum Loses 233,000 Internet and 77,000 TV Customers in Third Quarter As Cord Cutting 2.0 Grows | Cord Cutters News

Charter Communications reported a further erosion of its core broadband base in the third quarter of 2026, with Spectrum losing 233,000 Internet customers on a pro forma basis that incorporates the recently completed Cox acquisition. Residential accounts accounted for nearly all of the decline...
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Got to admit I never thought I'd see the day that cable lost internet subs.
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Got to admit I never thought I'd see the day that cable lost internet subs.
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I think the cable companies didnt either, back when they had no real competition in their footprint.

But today, for many, maybe even most, cable isnt the only choice, or even the best.
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We are looking for new Cutting Edge Stream members.

We are looking to find DirecTV Stream customers who are interested in pre-beta testing new Stream hardware and software, and who enjoy the testing process. You must agree to provide rigoorous feedback to DIRECTV on a regular basis. See the Welcome to the Cutting Edge message.
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Dish Bankruptcy - Business as Usual

Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
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Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
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Bruce
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Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
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Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
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Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
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I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
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Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
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Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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Is Dish like Iran in one way...they both will totally collapse by end of week :)
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Other than the price, my experience with Boost is not that different than what I experienced with my years with Cricket. I will be curious to see what happens if SpaceX takes the reins.
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Bruce said:
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
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dish has new sats dtv does not
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dish has new sats dtv does not
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Hate to say this no one is ordering Satellite TV. Both DISH and Direct no new customers.
After 25 years with centurylink DSL 80 speed i changed to Xfinity 300 speed for $50 wow lightning fast for streaming. Still have DISH 27 years with them. Americas 250 package for $103. What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
Still dish is easy to operate and change channels. What will Charlie Ergen do with new super satellites with loosing customers with satellites and boost?
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What you think of superbox or vseebox for streaming is it legal?
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NO.
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