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I hope some find this useful. I was a Dish Network subscriber for more than 10 years. I was always happy with the service and loved the equipment. But over the last 2 years or so, I have become increasingly frustrated with the fees and rate increases, and I was always fighting every 3 months or so over some charge that appeared on my bill that did not belong or that I had no idea what it was. The dual DVR fees pushed me over the edge, and their counter to that was to suggest I dumb down my equipment or lower my programming tier. And "oh by the way, did you know our receivers are way better than Direct TV's? You won't be happy with those." But enough with that. My biggest concern was could I be happy with the switch. If you are struggling with that like I was, this might help. For the most part, I am quite happy with the switch and even pleasantly surprised.

Thoughts on DirecTv services vs. Dish Network

Cons

When one DVR is in use, you cannot playback a recorded program from that DVR on any of the other receivers. The installer told me that a future software upgrade may make it possible, but for now, it is a bit of a limitation. It doesn't happen a lot, but it does happen where you cannot watch something because that DVR is in use. To be fair, Dish doesn't even have whole home DVR sharing, but two TV's connected to the same receiver could playback any recorded event without limitation.

What is the difference between First run and Repeat? Same episode will record multiple times, even with First Run selected. I can work around this by setting up manual recordings, but not the best solution. Dish's scheduling has a few more options, is a little more intuitive and just works better.

No auto tune for DVR versions. I thought this was a handy feature with Dish. You can auto tune with the H24 receivers, but that option does not appear to be available in the HR24.

Guide is only 1.5 hr. window vs. Dish 3 hr. window. Dish has a bit better channel organization I think. For example, all the news channels are grouped together in the low 200's on Dish, but you will find them more spread out on Direct. CNN is off my itself in the 200's. Then you have FOXNews and MSNBC and their related stations in the mid 300's. This may seem minor, but it this is one example of several which does make for easier browsing through the guide Dish. Probably most don't care about this, but it is something I have noticed.

More favorites list and I like the way dish changes the color of your selection in the guide as an obvious indicator which list you are looking at. Direct has it tagged, at the bottom, but not quite as obvious.

Sirius music seems a little better than sonic.

No PIP. I didn't use this much and haven't missed it yet, but it is not there. Worth noting.

Pros

Picture quality! This is not my imagination. It is better. Even my wife noticed it enough to comment on it and trust me, that is saying something. I wonder if it has something to do with the native resolution pass through? I know this was a feature that was requested a lot over the years with the Dish receivers, but was never added. I am particularly struck by how good programming looks on channels like TBS-HD. I always thought that HD programs on some of those channels on Dish looked worse than by standard def. DVD's. This is such a hard category to rate, because it is so subjective. But I am seeing an improvement, for what it's worth.

Double play – I really like this feature! It allows you to quickly switch between two channels, holding the program in the DVR buffer so you can rewind and view what you missed. On Dish, if you tried this, you would lose your place. You could sort of do that with PIP, but always had to have the PIP window open.

Quick Tune – Another nifty little shortcut which is very nice. For channels you frequently flip to without checking the guide (i.e. Weather Channel, a news channel, local station), this is very handy.

Remote Control programming is WAY better with the new receivers. I was pleasantly surprised with the on screen selection of additional A/V devices by name and model number, and then programming the remote. Even the setting of an A/V receiver as primary volume control was easy. I never did memorize the programming sequence on dish's remote, always had to look that up when I needed to reprogram one.

Really like the TV and Receiver simultaneously on feature. Wish I had the option to add an a/v device to the sequence and turn on three things, but who can complain.

Apps are cool and don't interrupt viewing. I always found the Dish interactive stuff sluggish and not useful, and oh if you accidently activated one, you painfully had to wait for the app to launch with no TV and then the same thing when shutting it down. I like Direct's approach to this much better.

Multi Room Viewing is great, but sure wish I could transfer recording from one DVR to another. Regardless, having this capability is very nice. It works well and has already proven to be handy.
Smart Search is significantly better than Dish search feature.
Bookmarking a specific time in DVR recordings. Had no idea it could do this until I read about it in the manual (yes, I actually read the manual!). I tried it and it works.

I like the fact that when you turn the receiver off, it turns off the display. My TV will turn itself off if it is getting no signal after awhile. But when Dish started their standby only mode with the little tips and advertising I had to pay more attention that I got the TV turned off, otherwise it would stay on forever.

VOD definitely better. I've always read this about DirecTv, but it is true.

I like how it asks you whether you want to keep or delete the event after you stop recording.

Final thoughts

During the last 10 years, I always firmly believed Dish has the edge in hardware. Whenever visiting a neighbor or relative who had DirecTv, I was always underwhelmed with the sluggishness of the receivers and how the whole interface just seemed less intuitive. But much of that has been addressed with the new HR24 and H24 receivers, and there are some clever features and capabilities that Dish simply doesn't have. If you are holding back making a switch because of the technology, in my opinion that is no longer a barrier. I also think the whole dual dvr concept that Dish has deployed across all of it's HD VIP series receivers is dated. It is sold as two TV's from one receiver . . . and it is, but only one and always only one TV can be an HDTV. So if you are like me, and had one 722 receiver and two 622 receivers, you are getting slammed hard in new monthly dual HD DVR fees for a set up which can manage up to 6ea. TV's, but of course only 3ea. of them can be HDTV's. Stardard def. TV's are going away, rapidly. You can't buy them anymore and the day is quickly approaching when very few homes will have even one (less the old tube TV stuck out in the garage because it just doesn't make sense to throw it away yet). So it is amazing at this stage, Dish double downs on this dated concept by slamming its customers with the extra fees for those extra standard def. feeds. And I can't help but wonder if the extra fees being using to cover the added cost of receivers which fail a lot? I went though three 722 receivers before the final one seems to be stable and may actually last awhile. (yes, it is in a very cool place with good power) Am I now paying for this? I wonder. By contrast, I was able to get 4ea. HDTV receivers from DirecTv at one low monthly fee per box. Yes, two of them are not DVR's so I can't pause live TV. But any of them can play any recording on either of the DVR's. It's a reasonable trade off.
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Tom Bombadil
Alas I cannot speed up my HR21 by switching to native because my HDTV set does not support 720p. I have to convert all HD to 1080i in the HR21.

I guess I could switch it to native just to see if it did get faster. But then I couldn't watch any 720p channel.
A
I too have switched from dish after 11 years. The big problem for me is I want more favorites lists. I like to set every type of programing in it's own favorite. Ex. news, movies, general family stuff ect ect. What no one has mentioned is the recording time of the hr 24 and the 722. The 24 has 100 hours HD record time while the 722 has only 50 hours of HD record time. I have two 24 receivers so now I have 200 hd hours record time. My installer said they raised the record time from 100 hrs to 150 hrs. But have not seen this confirmed. If anyone knows about this please post it. All and all I am glad I made the switch. I just wish I could quit using the buttons on the Direct remote like the ones on dish which are different. So there for I have to look or push the wrong button.
W
I too have switched from dish after 11 years. The big problem for me is I want more favorites lists. I like to set every type of programing in it's own favorite. Ex. news, movies, general family stuff ect ect..

Push the guide button twice...
Jimbo
Alas I cannot speed up my HR21 by switching to native because my HDTV set does not support 720p. I have to convert all HD to 1080i in the HR21.

I guess I could switch it to native just to see if it did get faster. But then I couldn't watch any 720p channel.

Thats NOT how it works Tom.

You can watch any channel you want, your TV will automatically change it to a format that it handles.

If that was the case, you could not ever watch anything on ESPN as it is a 720P channel.
Jimbo
I too have switched from dish after 11 years. The big problem for me is I want more favorites lists. I like to set every type of programing in it's own favorite. Ex. news, movies, general family stuff ect ect. What no one has mentioned is the recording time of the hr 24 and the 722. The 24 has 100 hours HD record time while the 722 has only 50 hours of HD record time. I have two 24 receivers so now I have 200 hd hours record time. My installer said they raised the record time from 100 hrs to 150 hrs. But have not seen this confirmed. If anyone knows about this please post it. All and all I am glad I made the switch. I just wish I could quit using the buttons on the Direct remote like the ones on dish which are different. So there for I have to look or push the wrong button.

I don't think the hours part can ever be entirely accurate as a lot depends on if your recording a MPEG 2 or MPEG 4 channel.
If you record anything OTA then it's mpeg 2 and takes up MORE room on the drive than a mpeg4 channel would.
spokybob
DISH did not have HD locals so I switched. I now have 3 HD and 1 SD sets, all hooked up for whole home viewing and hooked up to the internet. D* trenched a line to my detached garage/man-cave And all for just $25 for the DECA unit. . I use closed-captioning a lot. DISH was a pain. D* works very well. I really like the 100 hrs record time versus DISH 50 hours. I had to add a AM21 on one of the H24s to receive the local sub-channels... I miss EPIC but now I get MLB & ESPN news in HD.
I had no complaints with PQ or customer service with DISH.
jdspencer
A hint about the guide display. If you do a left arrow on a channel to highlight the channel logo on the left and then press INFO, the system will give you a vertical list of all upcoming programs coming on that channel.
Scott Greczkowski
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Last reply · posted in The Chit Chat Club
Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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Highway Song - Blackfoot
gms49ers
The Rain Song - Led Zeppelin
Bobby
Wait (The Whisper Song) - Ying Yang Twins
harshness
I Can't Wait - Nu Shooz
gms49ers
Shooz - Styx
ewindowman
Lifetime Supporter
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Looks like dish is Bankrupt. Filling tomorrow Tuesday June 30th
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nelson61
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Scott Greczkowski
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
Can't remember where or who I saw predict this. :D

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Bruce
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
Scott Greczkowski
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Bruce
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.
Nebugeater
Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.


Just a guess on my part but there may be some value to aquring to get all the retransmision agreements that are in place even though at some point they need to be renewed
Bruce
Bruce
Washington Post

SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.
If Musk really wants to buy Boost, he might get a great price once Dish Wireless is out of Chapter 11.

Boost just lost 182,000 subs in the 3rd quarter-

M
Is Dish like Iran in one way...they both will totally collapse by end of week :)
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Foxbat
Other than the price, my experience with Boost is not that different than what I experienced with my years with Cricket. I will be curious to see what happens if SpaceX takes the reins.
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dfergie
Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU!
Last reply · posted in TV Shows
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teachsac
Dang. That had to hurt. I would have not handled it that well. Surprised it wasn't brought up by Heff at the challenge.
dfergie
First rule - if you get a clue follow it immediately, 2nd - keep your stuff with you in a strange place, 3rd - pay attention to your ride... (pre first - don't go if you think you might not want to stay Rob)
teachsac
Loved the tribal🤣
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dfergie
Happy with the outcome, he was annoying...
M
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
I have Dish with Hopper3. I choose to get local channels OTA and had a "guide list" established at my previous home. Having moved a few miles away, I wanted to update the list by appending a couple new stations via a rescan. As many would know, some stations come in with the UHF/VHF antenna aimed in one direction, while others come in better with a different direction.

Unfortunately, when a scan is done (bringing in 25-30 stations for that particular antenna aim), the dialog screen does not present the established guide list; it presents an empty field to the right that the scanned stations may be selected one by one and added to the empty guide. But because of antenna aim, some stations originally saved are missing, and would have to be retrieved with a different antenna aim. But as I explain, if a 2nd​ scan is done with a different antenna aim, the stations saved from the first scan are lost.

It troubles me that Dish didn't develop software that would allow a user to simply append only 1 or 2 channels to the established list. :mad:

Any thought on this? Has anyone experienced this or heard of this from others?
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dishstaller
I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
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M
Methinks you are wrong, Dishstaller - at least for what I see now..
I so wish that functionality was available ...
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I could very well be wrong....it has been a LOT of years but back when I had a 722K it seemed like when you went back to the scan screen that you could just scan again and it would ADD those channels to the previous list or you could delete the previous results and only add the channels from the new scan.
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
dishstaller
I am not sure about that but I do know that you could manually add additional channels just by entering the actual RF channel number and the older receivers would add the virtual channels to your list
Like I said.....that has been many years ago. Swapped my 722K for a Hopper in 2012.

It does seem like I remember having to delete the existing channels when we did a rescan. Back then our local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in. Got so bad that I stopped selling OR installing OTAs....something I had been doing since 1984 so you know it HAD to be pretty bad.
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M
You made one of my points for me with this comment, Dishstaller:

"... local stations KEPT monkeying around with things and it was non-stop complaints from customers about their channels not coming in ..."
meStevo
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Last reply · posted in The Sports Section
Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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HipKat
Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
Howard Simmons
Balls
Bears. Took care of the elite Seahawks defense in a great performance.
NFC North. The entire division is 2 games above .500
Lions. Finally handed an L to that weird Minnesota team. Good vibes for Jack Campbell.
Pitt. Took the lead of the division convincingly.
Bengals vs Titans game. Fireworks game. Not sure it was a well-played game, but it sure was fun. JoeyB with 6 scores... and 4 turnovers.
Denver. They keep winning, man. Payton is a baller of a coach.
Packers. Thorough beatdown of the hard-to-read Panthers.
Jags. Demolished the hapless Colts.
Rams. The Super team finally wins back-to-back games.


Goats
Vikings. Took their first L. I know their D is insane, but their offense is setting back football to the 1950's.
Cowboys. Lost a 2-score lead vs. the Gardner Minshew-led Cards... at home. Embarrassing.
Browns. Playing for the division lead by scoring 6 points.
Bucs vs Falcons game. Setting modern football back to the ice age. Honorable mention to Tua Penix err ... Michael Tagov .... well, you know what I mean.
Bengals fans acting like Burrow just won the MVP after his performance. I get it. 6 scores is awesome. But. He also turned the ball over 4 times and required overtime to beat the 1-win Titans. So spare me the parade.
Chiefs. Not because they lost. It was a close game decided on the last play vs. a divisional rival on the road. That's always rough. But because of their whining over the CLEAR flag they got on the would-be winning play. They are used to getting the calls, and when they don't, they complain. Honorable mention to Mahomes for this quote: "I mean, at the end of the day, you have to go with whatever is called, but a lot of times in those big moments, the little stuff doesn't get called like that"... so you admit it was a penalty?? Just shut up, man.
Colts. They began the fire sale earlier in the week, and it showed. This team is cooked; Daniel Jones should go to the bench, and Steichen will be fired pretty soon.
Chargers. Wow. That's all I got.
Miami. For having the Pats sort of on the ropes and letting them go.
Eagles. Another team that should consider selling some assets. They are going nowhere.
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
meStevo
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').
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Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
Well you see him more because he is incredibly talented. And yes, typically players try to spin things being in their favor. This isn't cricket where sportsmanship (except in Australia) is expected.
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HipKat
Mahomes is the biggest cry baby I have ever seen. He thinks he's privileged or something.🙄
He wants to be Brady
HipKat
Just the same vilification as players like Brady experienced, a product of their success and largely overblown (just like them 'getting all the calls').
The only people who deny what Brady got from the officials are Brady fans
gms49ers
The NFL, for some time, has protected the marquee quarterbacks. Brady, Mahomes, Allen, Burrow - they all get the calls.
The lower tier QBs don't seem to get the same benefit. For instance, some of the hits that Darnold took from Chicago on Monday night would have been a flag frenzy if any of the marquee QBs were hit like that. And I am not in any way a fan of anything Seahawks related. I am a fan of balanced officiating - and that hasn't been the case for a while.

My team is not immune to this - Fred Warner laid some vicious hits in the Commanders game that I thought should have been flagged - one was, but they picked it up.

Not a good look on NFL officials.